I reckon it's hogwash...do you? Please read.

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And proud of it!

Read economist Julian Simon's book 'The Ultimate Resource II'.

We're not going to run out of it anytime soon. It's like food and starvation in Africa. The problem isn't enough food it is the distribution of it. Of course, oil is a bit different and the complications originate from different sources/geopolitical parameters but the logic is similar.

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I reckon it's hogwash...do you? Please read.

Live long and crunch.

TGG, i get an error when opening this link. I can't reach the I.P. addresss either HTTP://70.84.155.164 (maybe its being filtered from this part of the world).

Can you post the article??

TQ.

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The "Abiotic Oil Theory" is about since a long time. It has two serious drawbacks. The first is that it dates back to a time before plate tectonics were known. So it disregards the fact that the geoligical strata of Earth are "redesigned" constantly and has never really been updated in that respect. It assumes much longer periods for oil generation in one spot of Earth than really is given. But that may be discussed in terms of generation rates.

The much more significant drawback however is that it dates back to a time before mass spectroscopy was done. Natural Carbon has a content of C13 of about 1.1 percent. Biomass is significantly depleted of that isotope as plants preferably use C12 in photosynthesis. And as any animal in the food chain finally gets his food from herbivores and thus from plants, oil should contain less C13 when produced biotically, which happens to be the case.

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I reckon it's hogwash...do you? Please read.

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An interesting theory that is probably wrong.

One point is, that since world reserves of oil were first estimated, around the mid 1930s, they were expected to last about 35 years. All the updated estimates ever since have upping the reserves, at upping the demand and current use, and, with no exceptions, all of these estimates believed the reserves would only last another 35 years!

Curious?

A way to try and prove this theory is to drill in a hard rock area where oil has never been, nor theoretically, likely to be found. If oil is struck then there may be some credence to alternative oil formation/sources of oil theories.

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Sorry to be a bore, but the mostly likely reason for the increases in production and estimated reserves is, pure and simple, technology.

Reserves quoted to the public are usually 'retrievable reserves' i.e. what the oil company thinks it can get out. In the sixties this was about 25% (I think) of the total reservoir where as now it is about 80% of the total reservoir.

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I reckon it's hogwash...do you? Please read.

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An 'interesting' read, but i think this is a candidate for the Myth, Legend, Science thread!

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I reckon it's hogwash...do you? Please read.

Live long and crunch.

TGG, i get an error when opening this link. I can't reach the I.P. addresss either HTTP://70.84.155.164 (maybe its being filtered from this part of the world).

Can you post the article??

TQ.

Sustainable oil?

Posted: May 25, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Chris Bennett
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

About 80 miles off of the coast of Louisiana lies a mostly submerged mountain, the top of which is known as Eugene Island. The portion underwater is an eerie-looking, sloping tower jutting up from the depths of the Gulf of Mexico, with deep fissures and perpendicular faults which spontaneously spew natural gas. A significant reservoir of crude oil was discovered nearby in the late '60s, and by 1970, a platform named Eugene 330 was busily producing about 15,000 barrels a day of high-quality crude oil.

By the late '80s, the platform's production had slipped to less than 4,000 barrels per day, and was considered pumped out. Done. Suddenly, in 1990, production soared back to 15,000 barrels a day, and the reserves which had been estimated at 60 million barrels in the '70s, were recalculated at 400 million barrels. Interestingly, the measured geological age of the new oil was quantifiably different than the oil pumped in the '70s.

Analysis of seismic recordings revealed the presence of a "deep fault" at the base of the Eugene Island reservoir which was gushing up a river of oil from some deeper and previously unknown source.

Similar results were seen at other Gulf of Mexico oil wells. Similar results were found in the Cook Inlet oil fields in Alaska. Similar results were found in oil fields in Uzbekistan. Similarly in the Middle East, where oil exploration and extraction have been underway for at least the last 20 years, known reserves have doubled. Currently there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 680 billion barrels of Middle East reserve oil.

Creating that much oil would take a big pile of dead dinosaurs and fermenting prehistoric plants. Could there be another source for crude oil?

An intriguing theory now permeating oil company research staffs suggests that crude oil may actually be a natural inorganic product, not a stepchild of unfathomable time and organic degradation. The theory suggests there may be huge, yet-to-be-discovered reserves of oil at depths that dwarf current world estimates.

The theory is simple: Crude oil forms as a natural inorganic process which occurs between the mantle and the crust, somewhere between 5 and 20 miles deep. The proposed mechanism is as follows:

Methane (CH4) is a common molecule found in quantity throughout our solar system – huge concentrations exist at great depth in the Earth.

At the mantle-crust interface, roughly 20,000 feet beneath the surface, rapidly rising streams of compressed methane-based gasses hit pockets of high temperature causing the condensation of heavier hydrocarbons. The product of this condensation is commonly known as crude oil.

Some compressed methane-based gasses migrate into pockets and reservoirs we extract as "natural gas."

In the geologically "cooler," more tectonically stable regions around the globe, the crude oil pools into reservoirs.

In the "hotter," more volcanic and tectonically active areas, the oil and natural gas continue to condense and eventually to oxidize, producing carbon dioxide and steam, which exits from active volcanoes.

Periodically, depending on variations of geology and Earth movement, oil seeps to the surface in quantity, creating the vast oil-sand deposits of Canada and Venezuela, or the continual seeps found beneath the Gulf of Mexico and Uzbekistan.

Periodically, depending on variations of geology, the vast, deep pools of oil break free and replenish existing known reserves of oil.

There are a number of observations across the oil-producing regions of the globe that support this theory, and the list of proponents begins with Mendelev (who created the periodic table of elements) and includes Dr. Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University Center for Radiophysics and Space Research) and Dr. J.F. Kenney of Gas Resources Corporations, Houston, Texas.

In his 1999 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," Dr. Gold presents compelling evidence for inorganic oil formation. He notes that geologic structures where oil is found all correspond to "deep earth" formations, not the haphazard depositions we find with sedimentary rock, associated fossils or even current surface life.

He also notes that oil extracted from varying depths from the same oil field have the same chemistry – oil chemistry does not vary as fossils vary with increasing depth. Also interesting is the fact that oil is found in huge quantities among geographic formations where assays of prehistoric life are not sufficient to produce the existing reservoirs of oil. Where then did it come from?

Another interesting fact is that every oil field throughout the world has outgassing helium. Helium is so often present in oil fields that helium detectors are used as oil-prospecting tools. Helium is an inert gas known to be a fundamental product of the radiological decay or uranium and thorium, identified in quantity at great depths below the surface of the earth, 200 and more miles below. It is not found in meaningful quantities in areas that are not producing methane, oil or natural gas. It is not a member of the dozen or so common elements associated with life. It is found throughout the solar system as a thoroughly inorganic product.

Even more intriguing is evidence that several oil reservoirs around the globe are refilling themselves, such as the Eugene Island reservoir – not from the sides, as would be expected from cocurrent organic reservoirs, but from the bottom up.

Dr. Gold strongly believes that oil is a "renewable, primordial soup continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface, it is attached by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin dating back to the dinosaurs."

Smaller oil companies and innovative teams are using this theory to justify deep oil drilling in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, among other locations, with some success. Dr. Kenney is on record predicting that parts of Siberia contain a deep reservoir of oil equal to or exceeding that already discovered in the Middle East.

Could this be true?

In August 2002, in the "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (US)," Dr. Kenney published a paper, which had a partial title of "The genesis of hydrocarbons and the origin of petroleum." Dr. Kenney and three Russian coauthors conclude:

The Hydrogen-Carbon system does not spontaneously evolve hydrocarbons at pressures less than 30 Kbar, even in the most favorable environment. The H-C system evolves hydrocarbons under pressures found in the mantle of the Earth and at temperatures consistent with that environment.

He was quoted as stating that "competent physicists, chemists, chemical engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have known that natural petroleum does not evolve from biological materials since the last quarter of the 19th century."

Deeply entrenched in our culture is the belief that at some point in the relatively near future we will see the last working pump on the last functioning oil well screech and rattle, and that will be that. The end of the Age of Oil. And unless we find another source of cheap energy, the world will rapidly become a much darker and dangerous place.

If Dr. Gold and Dr. Kenney are correct, this "the end of the world as we know it" scenario simply won't happen. Think about it ... while not inexhaustible, deep Earth reserves of inorganic crude oil and commercially feasible extraction would provide the world with generations of low-cost fuel. Dr. Gold has been quoted saying that current worldwide reserves of crude oil could be off by a factor of over 100.

A Hedberg Conference, sponsored by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, was scheduled to discuss and publicly debate this issue. Papers were solicited from interested academics and professionals. The conference was scheduled to begin June 9, 2003, but was canceled at the last minute. A new date has yet to be set.

Related links:

Gas Origin Theories To Be Studied

The Mystery Of Eugene Island 330

Odd Reservoir Off Louisiana Prods Oil Experts To Seek A Deeper Meaning

Fuel's Paradise

Chris Bennett manages an environmental engineering division for a West Coast technology firm. He and his wife of 26 years make their home on the San Francisco Bay.

[quote]I reckon it's hogwash...do you? Please read.

Live long and crunch.

TGG, i get an error when opening this link. I can't reach the I.P. addresss either HTTP://70.84.155.164 (maybe its being filtered from this part of the world).

Can you post the article??

TQ.

TGG, thanks for posting! But i managed to get through by changing the domain name to WND.com (bizarre, filtering me thinks!).

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ive read about this theory before ,for all the naysayers ask yourself one question
if this theory isnt at least in part true, then why have so many "emptied" wells
been reintroduced to production(and backflushing is not an option as an answer)im talking spent not clogged

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ive read about this theory before ,for all the naysayers ask yourself one question
if this theory isnt at least in part true, then why have so many "emptied" wells
been reintroduced to production(and backflushing is not an option as an answer)im talking spent not clogged

I remember in the 70's the Oil companies telling us that the world will run out of oil before the year 2000. Gas prices soared and long lines to get gas occurred. We had to wait in line based on the odd/even numbering on your plates.

It is now 2006 and suddenly we are getting more Oil.. One has to wonder if this is nothing more then the Oil companies trying to explain why we aren't out of Oil yet..

Now it's not oil companies saying this...it's governments and enviornmentalist scare mongerers clamoring for votes....Lies and lies and lies.

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Now it's not oil companies saying this...it's governments and enviornmentalist scare mongerers clamoring for votes....Lies and lies and lies.

It is the Oil compnaies or at least the Scientist on their payrolls that are saying oil reserves are being refilled. Wall Street is showing their record profits...

Now it's not oil companies saying this...it's governments and enviornmentalist scare mongerers clamoring for votes....Lies and lies and lies.

It is the Oil compnaies or at least the Scientist on their payrolls that are saying oil reserves are being refilled. Wall Street is showing their record profits...

This is the complete OPPOSITE of what I was saying, CW!

I said the oil companies are NOT preaching that we are running out of oil reserves and that GOVERNMENTS AND ENVIORNMENTALISTS are the ones stating such. Even your above claim SUPPORTS my statement that oil reserves are being REPLENISHED.

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Now it's not oil companies saying this...it's governments and enviornmentalist scare mongerers clamoring for votes....Lies and lies and lies.

It is the Oil compnaies or at least the Scientist on their payrolls that are saying oil reserves are being refilled. Wall Street is showing their record profits...

This is the complete OPPOSITE of what I was saying, CW!

I said the oil companies are NOT preaching that we are running out of oil reserves and that GOVERNMENTS AND ENVIORNMENTALISTS are the ones stating such. Even your above claim SUPPORTS my statement that oil reserves are being REPLENISHED.

Robert why don't you actually read what I said instead of what you think I said.

I said in the 70's the Oil Companies said we would run out by 2000. That is a historical FACT and not something I said for the hell of it.

Furthermore I don't beleive they are being replenished. I beleive it's the Oil Companies covering up why we didn't run out of Oil 6 years ago.

Now hush until you can interpret what the grown-ups are saying..

Here's your quote you little punk kid...

I remember in the 70's the Oil companies telling us that the world will run out of oil before the year 2000. Gas prices soared and long lines to get gas occurred. We had to wait in line based on the odd/even numbering on your plates.

It is now 2006 and suddenly we are getting more Oil.. One has to wonder if this is nothing more then the Oil companies trying to explain why we aren't out of Oil yet..
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That's you, dumbass. I did read what you typed. Even though you typed it with one finger up your ass.

What a moron. You made your point, I addressed it. And then you refused to acknowledge it. Go away, you punk kid

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Here's your quote you little punk kid...

I remember in the 70's the Oil companies telling us that the world will run out of oil before the year 2000. Gas prices soared and long lines to get gas occurred. We had to wait in line based on the odd/even numbering on your plates.

It is now 2006 and suddenly we are getting more Oil.. One has to wonder if this is nothing more then the Oil companies trying to explain why we aren't out of Oil yet..
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That's you, dumbass. I did read what you typed. Even though you typed it with one finger up your ass.

What part of the highlighted statement don't you understand.? What part of that statement supports your theory? I know what I typed with all 10 fingers. I seriously doubt your ability to comprehend it's simple meaning.

You're an idiot.

You made a claim that you can't back up. Period. Go back to bed.

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Awesome. I don't even have to filter my own posts. The morons do it for me. Thanks alot, punky. You say 'hi' to the cyber sisters for me and tip your cup at the next coffee clutch.

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