Ok Robert....I have it.

Ok, man. give it a test fire.

I sent one right after I got the addy. Did you get it?

No, I didn't get it. I'm looking in my junkbox now and still don't see it. :-(

I sent another one to you Robert.

C'mon guys....surely SOMEONE has something to say here.

And the crowd goes........INDIFFERENT!!!!!!

C'mon guys....surely SOMEONE has something to say here.

How about EVP. Anyone have any thoughts...besides Chuck and Rush who are going to tell us that all those noises are a hoax?

EVP?

EVP?

Electronic Voice Phenomena.

In other words, listening to static or white noise and hearing the voices (seeing pictures) of the dead.

Heh.

EVP?

Electronic Voice Phenomena.

In other words, listening to static or white noise and hearing the voices (seeing pictures) of the dead.

Heh.

I don't know so much about pictures. I do know about the " voices " though. I know in the movie White Noise, the idea of " seeing " the dead was emphasized. Mostly the investigation of the phenomena centers around hearing words amongst the ambient noise.

EVP?

Electronic Voice Phenomena.

In other words, listening to static or white noise and hearing the voices (seeing pictures) of the dead.

Heh.

I don't know so much about pictures. I do know about the " voices " though. I know in the movie White Noise, the idea of " seeing " the dead was emphasized. Mostly the investigation of the phenomena centers around hearing words amongst the ambient noise.

I would really want to see the test rig. My best two guesses about the cause are: 1) voice or images on a nearby channel. 2) People that are fooling themselves. It could also be a combination of the two, and an out and out hoax is also possible since it sounds like people listening to a broadcast spectrum - and there is nothing preventing a "helper" from transmitting voice or images to be seen.

I also believe that at least some EVP can be explained by the noise that the recording device inevitably makes

I would really want to see the test rig.

I also believe that at least some EVP can be explained by the noise that the recording device inevitably makes

Entirely possible. But someone would need to demonstrate to me that the noises that a recording device makes would randomly form words or combinations of words.

John pointed out that it may be a case where some people are simply fooling themselves. I would agree with this except for the fact that some of the words or phrases have been quite clear. That would lean more toward the " helper " theory.

My only suggestion as far as proving them hoaxes would be for someone to determine what frequency these phrases are being transmitted on at the time and have Amateur Radio Operators scan a specific set of frequencies.

I would really want to see the test rig.

Oddly enough, the recording rig can be anything from an elaborate sound set up to a simple hand-held tape recorder.

I would really want to see the test rig.

Oddly enough, the recording rig can be anything from an elaborate sound set up to a simple hand-held tape recorder.

I watched "Whited Noise" today.....(thanks Rob for suggesting)... i think they went way-over-the-top..LOL... but it was amusing.

But it would be interesting if it was possible to ensure a control environment for 'recording pheonema'.

1. Find a spooky house (phenomena has been 'observed')
2. Scan for possible aritificial sound sources (bogus, hoax etc)
3. Install motion detectors ensure tamper-free control enviornment
4. Install 'sound source' equipment to pinpoint the source of sound
5. Record using a convetional tape recorder or equivalent (natural voice spectrum only)

If they could get some "evidence" in this manner we would at least be 'on some kind of track'.

I don't know about EVP itself, but I do know that the brain's amazing ability to perceive vast quantities of environmental data comes from its ability to spot patterns and process the patterns. That is, the eye sees "pixels" but these are quickly grouped into small shapes and the mind assembles those shapes into recognizable objects. Throw synesthesia (how input from one sense impacts the perception of other sensory input) into the mix, and people start to perceive what the expect rather than what is actually there.

One way to experience this robust pattern-matching is to attempt to proofread your own writing immediately after writing it. You know what you meant, so your "eye" could miss minor errors.

Another more dramatic display is to watch a fire while listening to classical music... the flames will seem to leap in time to the music. There are many, many movements within the fire, but the mind pays attention to those that gel with other incoming sensations.

Your mind will perceive the colors of a traffic light as red, yellow and green even if the object in question has orange, gold and cyan lights. You will often fail to hear vocal intonations that are not part of your native language. A lot of our experience is provided by the mind scanning the environment then filling in the gaps.

In a situation where low-level white noise is present and there are no overt sounds, people will often perceive the white noise as familiar background sounds... low voices, far-off traffic, quiet machinery, flowing water, etc. This could explain why some people hear "ghosts" in quiet places. Once the mind has (incorrectly) processed the raw sensory data into patterns, that person's experiences can construct fairly complex correlations.

I'm not sure if this relates directly to EVP or not since I never watched White Noise nor any of the associated documentaries, but I think false-positive recognition is interesting in its own right.

Since this is the proper thread for it. Tonight on History Channel there is 'Ghost Hunters' program featuring this supposed phenomenon of 'white noise' and 'ghost voices'. Might be some entertaining watching....

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