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Message 286915 - Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 21:48:47 UTC - in response to Message 286835.  
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What service is expected to be on the ports its trying on?
from the IANA Port Numbers list:
ff-sm 1091/tcp FF System Management
ff-sm 1091/udp FF System Management

Lee are you sure these are current?

I see:

xqosd 31416/tcp XQoS network monitor
xqosd 31416/udp XQoS network monitor
# Joe Elliott <joe@inetd.com> June 2002

does this mean boinc is using Joe Elliott's port?

yes, IANA is god when it comes to these matters (look for 1043 and you'll find BOINC), if you want to register/reserve a port for something then IANA are the people you ask (similar to reserving an IP address but a different regulatory authority)

if you look at the top of the linked document, you'll see the last modified date is the 17th April 2006 (at the time this was writen)

now, as you point out some reservations were made a long time ago, however the application may still be around (but prehaps not many people use it), the only possible problem is when a port usage is no longer needed, and IANA aren't told about it, however, there are lots of ports (a port number is a 16 bit value, therefore there are 2^16=65536 available ports, some are reserved for dynamic assignment (when you want to make an outward connection, so you can recieve data back) but there are plenty of others

with regard to the 31416 port, when David Anderson mentioned the problems with 1043 on the dev mailing list (due to MS using it, even thou it wasn't registered to them! typical!), but he did point out that the current alternative is already registered for use by "XQoS network monitor" registered by Joe Elliott
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Message 286918 - Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 21:52:10 UTC - in response to Message 286885.  

Tony looks and sees that David A is assigned 1043. good. Now while I'm here, I'll look at 31416 and see. Then I see it's NOT assigned to boinc but to someone else. so I ask you smart people about it.

MS looked less favorable to me since they were using 1043 when they shouldn't have, now the question "is boinc violating some rule by using it?"
technically yes, BOINC, by using port 31416, is violating the same rule that MS is violating by their use of port 1043

so if BOINC is complaining about MS using 1043, then BOINC shouldn't be using 31416 lol
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Message 286923 - Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 21:59:58 UTC - in response to Message 286903.  
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I think 31416 is in a range of less control than 1043.
quite correct, the lower port numbers are "special" and are strictly controlled, important services use the lower ports (such as HTTP, DNS, FTP etc.)

MS does as they damn well please and couldn't give two &^*% about IANA tbh.
when has MS given a damn about any standard(s)?
MS always does what it wants without giving a thought to the consequences for others, they hardly ever follow any standards except when it's in their own interest to do so (which is very rare, they ususally create their own standards to "lock you in" rather than using open standards)

The truth is anyone can use any port they want and no one can do anything about it. So we see all kinds of crap on all kinds of ports and we just have to grin and bear it.
indeed, and that's why IANA was founded, to have some kind of organisation to the chaos

but it's still rude to use someone elses port
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Message 286951 - Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 23:08:15 UTC - in response to Message 286895.  
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Tony

Do you use BoincView? by chance to monitor machines?

Pappa

Never, ever have, don't even know what it looks like.
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Message 287035 - Posted: 22 Apr 2006, 1:15:19 UTC - in response to Message 286951.  

Do you use BoincView? by chance to monitor machines?
Never, ever have, don't even know what it looks like.
Tony, if you have multiple boinc hosts then i stuggest you give it a try, someone like yourself will really appreciate it's advantages

the main things it allows is much easier management of a "farm" by allowing you to say "run this command on all clients" or "run this command on only these clients (ones you specify)"

attaching new projects is a doddle, just have to run thru the wizard once

you can easilly view the current status of all your hosts on a single combined display

the ability to customise the display is very good, allowing you to colourise WUs, hosts, projects, messages etc. based on your own perferences

it allows you to show/hide WUs in certain states, so you could hide all your "ready to run" WUs and only show the others, there's a handy "show all" toggle option to quickly show all, then return to the previous settings with a couple of clicks

see the BOINC View Installation and Set-Up Guide in the wiki (might want to view an older version, as i'm currently improving it, it was just copied from one of my posts here at SETI, and isn't up to wiki standards yet)
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Message 287046 - Posted: 22 Apr 2006, 1:35:19 UTC - in response to Message 287035.  

Lee

I agree, it does allow me to connect to the nine silly machine I have here at the house...

Do you use BoincView? by chance to monitor machines?
Never, ever have, don't even know what it looks like.
Tony, if you have multiple boinc hosts then i stuggest you give it a try, someone like yourself will really appreciate it's advantages

the main things it allows is much easier management of a "farm" by allowing you to say "run this command on all clients" or "run this command on only these clients (ones you specify)"

attaching new projects is a doddle, just have to run thru the wizard once

you can easilly view the current status of all your hosts on a single combined display

the ability to customise the display is very good, allowing you to colourise WUs, hosts, projects, messages etc. based on your own perferences

it allows you to show/hide WUs in certain states, so you could hide all your "ready to run" WUs and only show the others, there's a handy "show all" toggle option to quickly show all, then return to the previous settings with a couple of clicks

see the BOINC View Installation and Set-Up Guide in the wiki (might want to view an older version, as i'm currently improving it, it was just copied from one of my posts here at SETI, and isn't up to wiki standards yet)


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Message 287072 - Posted: 22 Apr 2006, 2:21:18 UTC - in response to Message 287046.  

I agree, it does allow me to connect to the nine silly machine I have here at the house...
oh yes, i only have 3 hosts crunching for BOINC but even still, it makes management a breeze, i rarely use the official manager anymore
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Message 287126 - Posted: 22 Apr 2006, 4:21:44 UTC - in response to Message 286866.  

Ian, all I'm saying is I see Joe is assigned that port and boinc is using it. It may just be for "loopback" purposes and such. Boinc was assigned 1043, but MS uses it, so boinc had to change.

Ports that high are not generally "assigned" -- it's more like an official notice that someone is not playing by the rules.

BOINC got 1043 because the most recent assignment before was 1042, and our friends in Redmond, WA have made those assignments impractical.
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