My monitor has recently decided to flicker to a bluish tint every so often, its quite annoying actually. How long are CRT monitors supposed to last? I'm too cheap to go out and buy a new LCD, and I'm hoping this one will hang for a while...If not does anyone know of a good, cheap LCD with a fast response time for games?

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My monitor has recently decided to flicker to a bluish tint every so often, its quite annoying actually. How long are CRT monitors supposed to last? I'm too cheap to go out and buy a new LCD, and I'm hoping this one will hang for a while...If not does anyone know of a good, cheap LCD with a fast response time for games?

Quite possible it is the cable...

CRT monitors, like TVs, can last anything from days to 10 years or more.

Way back I had a monitor that was going-off, I opened it up and gave it a good dust clean and got many months more from it. BUT *BE WARNED* There can be some very very high voltages present inside a CRT box EVEN WHEN UNPLUGGED. If you're not happy with High Tension electricity, don't open the box!

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LCDs still do not have the color and not always the speed as a CRT for games. If you are a true gamer, a CRT is still the best bet. A good little more expensive CRT will out perform a cheap LCD any day.

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LCDs still do not have the color and not always the speed as a CRT for games. If you are a true gamer, a CRT is still the best bet. A good little more expensive CRT will out perform a cheap LCD any day.

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LCDs still do not have the color and not always the speed as a CRT for games. If you are a true gamer, a CRT is still the best bet. A good little more expensive CRT will out perform a cheap LCD any day.

YUP!

So CRT it is then, unless my monitor holds up...its making clicking noises now :O...

Thanks for the advice!

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So CRT it is then, unless my monitor holds up...its making clicking noises now :O...

Thanks for the advice!

I'm sitting here in front of a new 17" LCD, and I'm very happy with it.

It's been a long time since I've used a CRT.

It isn't one of the current mega-fast LCDs, it has an 8ms response time, some are 2ms or less.

It's also closer to 16 watts than 120 watts, and that's important when your monitor is on 16 hours/day.

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So CRT it is then, unless my monitor holds up...its making clicking noises now :O...

Thanks for the advice!

I'm sitting here in front of a new 17" LCD, and I'm very happy with it.

It's been a long time since I've used a CRT.

It isn't one of the current mega-fast LCDs, it has an 8ms response time, some are 2ms or less.

It's also closer to 16 watts than 120 watts, and that's important when your monitor is on 16 hours/day.

Hmmm...I suppose I should go out to the stores and see for myself

Personally the difference between 16 ms and 8 ms seems infinitely small...

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Hmmm...I suppose I should go out to the stores and see for myself

Personally the difference between 16 ms and 8 ms seems infinitely small...

Some of what I've read says that 8ms is about the limit that we can reasonably see -- anything faster than 8ms is invisible.

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Hmmm...I suppose I should go out to the stores and see for myself

Personally the difference between 16 ms and 8 ms seems infinitely small...

Some of what I've read says that 8ms is about the limit that we can reasonably see -- anything faster than 8ms is invisible.

So based on the saying of the hand is quicker than the eye, it can be concluded that the hand moves around 8ms or faster...




Or not...

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Maybe you can check your cables, or another thing that can mess them up is having your speakers to close and the magnetic field interfering.

We have monitors at work on our computers with 30486(?) processors that must be about twenty years old. The cases on the computers that go with them are so old that they don't even have holes for air to get in. The only fan is the one on the power supply and like I say with no way for air to get to it. Last year the power supply fan on one of the most important computers died but the computer still kept working except for a couple of the hottest days. It started to reboot so we swapped in an old power supply.

But, back to the subject. The monitors keep working but every once in a while they like to have the cables wiggled to get the color to come back to normal.

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Maybe you can check your cables, or another thing that can mess them up is having your speakers to close and the magnetic field interfering.

We have monitors at work on our computers with 30486(?) processors that must be about twenty years old. The cases on the computers that go with them are so old that they don't even have holes for air to get in. The only fan is the one on the power supply and like I say with no way for air to get to it. Last year the power supply fan on one of the most important computers died but the computer still kept working except for a couple of the hottest days. It started to reboot so we swapped in an old power supply.

But, back to the subject. The monitors keep working but every once in a while they like to have the cables wiggled to get the color to come back to normal.

They sure don't make them like that anymore :/

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We have monitors at work on our computers with 30486(?) processors that must be about twenty years old. The cases on the computers that go with them are so old that they don't even have holes for air to get in. The only fan is the one on the power supply and like I say with no way for air to get to it. Last year the power supply fan on one of the most important computers died but the computer still kept working except for a couple of the hottest days. It started to reboot so we swapped in an old power supply.

AT power supplies are hard to find.

There is some good news: PC Power and Cooling sells an AT motherboard to ATX power supply adapter. About $10.

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Personally the difference between 16 ms and 8 ms seems infinitely small...

A factor of 2 small?

However, the unfortunate fact is that the response times for LCD panels need to be taken with very large grains of salt. Many supposed 8ms panels often have responses that are no better (and even some times worse) than the better quality 16ms panels, as the 8ms response only occurs under certain circumstances (and at other times their response can be as high as 30ms) where as the 16ms panels response occurs under pretty much all circumstances.



As to the original problem; as suggested it may be the lead or more likely dry joints. The fact it's now making clicking noises could also indicate developing power supply or horizaontal problems- but they may also be due to dry joints.
But given the minimum repair charges & the cost of replacement units, unless you can do a good soldering job yourself it's not likely to be worth the effort (or cost) to even get it checked out.

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Maybe you can check your cables, or another thing that can mess them up is having your speakers to close and the magnetic field interfering.

We have monitors at work on our computers with 30486(?) processors that must be about twenty years old. The cases on the computers that go with them are so old that they don't even have holes for air to get in. The only fan is the one on the power supply and like I say with no way for air to get to it. Last year the power supply fan on one of the most important computers died but the computer still kept working except for a couple of the hottest days. It started to reboot so we swapped in an old power supply.

But, back to the subject. The monitors keep working but every once in a while they like to have the cables wiggled to get the color to come back to normal.

Wait speakers can affect the magnetic field?

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Personally the difference between 16 ms and 8 ms seems infinitely small...

A factor of 2 small?

However, the unfortunate fact is that the response times for LCD panels need to be taken with very large grains of salt. Many supposed 8ms panels often have responses that are no better (and even some times worse) than the better quality 16ms panels, as the 8ms response only occurs under certain circumstances (and at other times their response can be as high as 30ms) where as the 16ms panels response occurs under pretty much all circumstances.



As to the original problem; as suggested it may be the lead or more likely dry joints. The fact it's now making clicking noises could also indicate developing power supply or horizaontal problems- but they may also be due to dry joints.
But given the minimum repair charges & the cost of replacement units, unless you can do a good soldering job yourself it's not likely to be worth the effort (or cost) to even get it checked out.

Now I'm leaning back towards a CRT monitor.

My only question is this, a big specialized gaming company, Alienware, has almost nothing but LCD monitors...for what reason then?

Maybe just visual appeal...?

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My monitor has recently decided to flicker to a bluish tint every so often, its quite annoying actually. How long are CRT monitors supposed to last? I'm too cheap to go out and buy a new LCD, and I'm hoping this one will hang for a while...If not does anyone know of a good, cheap LCD with a fast response time for games?

Hi Stefan,
I have the very same problem with an older monitor. A conductor inside the cable about three inches behind the computer connector is broken. I have to keep the cable bent and wedged tight at a certain angle for the conductor inside it to make contact. I haven't bothered to repair it since I only use it now for a text terminal for my database server and occasionally to telnet into my Linux machine, but I sympathize with you. It was *very* irritating when I used it on a machine running graphics!

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Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had.

Personally the difference between 16 ms and 8 ms seems infinitely small...

A factor of 2 small?

However, the unfortunate fact is that the response times for LCD panels need to be taken with very large grains of salt. Many supposed 8ms panels often have responses that are no better (and even some times worse) than the better quality 16ms panels, as the 8ms response only occurs under certain circumstances (and at other times their response can be as high as 30ms) where as the 16ms panels response occurs under pretty much all circumstances.



As to the original problem; as suggested it may be the lead or more likely dry joints. The fact it's now making clicking noises could also indicate developing power supply or horizaontal problems- but they may also be due to dry joints.
But given the minimum repair charges & the cost of replacement units, unless you can do a good soldering job yourself it's not likely to be worth the effort (or cost) to even get it checked out.

Now I'm leaning back towards a CRT monitor.

My only question is this, a big specialized gaming company, Alienware, has almost nothing but LCD monitors...for what reason then?

Maybe just visual appeal...?

For this, I'll give you the answer a friend of mine who is (was) big into gaming. "Where would you put a 21 inch crt monitor in my bedroom and what do I have in here strong enough to sit it on?" He had a 21 inch LCD on his desk and still had room enough for his keyboard and other odds and ends. His desk was just physically not strong enough to hold a normal crt monitor as heavy as one that big would weigh, plus it would'nt leave any room for his keyboard etc. The flat panel LCD did the trick!

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Jim

Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had.
Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had.

For this, I'll give you the answer a friend of mine who is (was) big into gaming. "Where would you put a 21 inch crt monitor in my bedroom and what do I have in here strong enough to sit it on?" He had a 21 inch LCD on his desk and still had room enough for his keyboard and other odds and ends. His desk was just physically not strong enough to hold a normal crt monitor as heavy as one that big would weigh, plus it would'nt leave any room for his keyboard etc. The flat panel LCD did the trick!

Don't forget that a 21" LCD is bigger than a 21" CRT.

LCD is viewing area, while CRT is the size of the tube, including the part hidden behind the bezel.

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For this, I'll give you the answer a friend of mine who is (was) big into gaming. "Where would you put a 21 inch crt monitor in my bedroom and what do I have in here strong enough to sit it on?" He had a 21 inch LCD on his desk and still had room enough for his keyboard and other odds and ends. His desk was just physically not strong enough to hold a normal crt monitor as heavy as one that big would weigh, plus it would'nt leave any room for his keyboard etc. The flat panel LCD did the trick!

Don't forget that a 21" LCD is bigger than a 21" CRT.

LCD is viewing area, while CRT is the size of the tube, including the part hidden behind the bezel.

Yep AND it was only a few inches "thick"! He had a 17 in. crt and you could carry three or four of the lcd's and not be as thick or weigh as much as that one crt monitor!

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Jim

Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had.
Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had.

So based on the saying of the hand is quicker than the eye, it can be concluded that the hand moves around 8ms or faster...

OSHA (occupational safety and health administration USA) has determined for the purposes of safety calculations that the human hand/arm can move at no more than 63 inches/second. CFR 1910-217

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