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Message 220971 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 17:17:16 UTC
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Hi... My desktop computer at home is now crunching a Result every 40 minutes (!), thanks to an optimized SETI application. Now, I'm having trouble keeping this monster fed through the dial-up connection at home.

At the same time, I have a slow (2 hr 30 min per Result) laptop that travels to school, where I have a high-speed connection right at my desk.

Is there ANY way I can feed the home computer from school? A search of the messages here does not raise much hope, but maybe?
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Message 220973 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 17:21:01 UTC - in response to Message 220971.  
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Hi... My desktop computer at home is now crunching a Result every 40 minutes (!), thanks to an optimized SETI application. Now, I'm having trouble keeping this monster fed through the dial-up connection at home.

At the same time, I have a slow (2 hr 30 min per Result) laptop that travels to school, where I have a high-speed connection right at my desk.

Is there ANY way I can feed the home computer from school? A search of the messages here does not raise much hope, but maybe?
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SORRY - no can do! The system knows which clients download which work units and expects them back from that very same client computer.



Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....
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Message 220975 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 17:28:19 UTC - in response to Message 220971.  

Hi... My desktop computer at home is now crunching a Result every 40 minutes (!), thanks to an optimized SETI application. Now, I'm having trouble keeping this monster fed through the dial-up connection at home.

At the same time, I have a slow (2 hr 30 min per Result) laptop that travels to school, where I have a high-speed connection right at my desk.

Is there ANY way I can feed the home computer from school? A search of the messages here does not raise much hope, but maybe?
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Sorry John, but you are right, you cannot feed a system except by connection.
BOINC demands that the result is processed by and returned by the same computer it was issued to.


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Message 220983 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 17:52:28 UTC

Thanks for the information, depressing though it may be...

Just to be painfully clear, the Result must be Downloaded AND Processed AND Uploaded AND Reported on the same machine. Bummer...

Sigma n=0 to infinity (90-C_n)




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Message 220996 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 18:24:24 UTC

Even so if you set a reasonably sized cache, you should be able to do a batch of downloads in say 10 minutes that should give 20 or more results, enough for a day.

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Message 221005 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 18:47:43 UTC
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well, it's possible to process it on another machine, then upload and report on the host that was assniged the work, but it's not worth the effort.
the effort needed for each workunit is excessive, and requires manual editing of xml files, and you have to know what you're doing, and it takes ages to write all the code
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Message 221072 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 22:17:39 UTC - in response to Message 220996.  

Even so if you set a reasonably sized cache, you should be able to do a batch of downloads in say 10 minutes that should give 20 or more results, enough for a day.


This is exactly what the "Connect to network about every x days" setting is for. Set that to 1, or even 2, then connect while you're at home in the evening. A few minutes later, you can disconnect and it'll have enough to last until the next evening, at least. There's no way the download can take 40 minutes per result! :-)

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Message 221077 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 22:33:40 UTC - in response to Message 220971.  
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Is there ANY way I can feed the home computer from school? A search of the messages here does not raise much hope, but maybe?
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You can use an USB stick for data transfer.
You have now 2 boinc installations (one on you home computer, one on your laptop). Install boinc a 3rd time on an USB stick. So you are able to start boinic (from this USB stick) on your laptop for upload and download (a large cache of 6 - 8 days may be a good choice), then bring it at home and attach the stick to your home computer. Again you start boinic from that USB-stick and crunch.
So the USB-Installation becomes your "best" host, it will crunch most units. Your existing hard drive installation on home computer is only in use, while your are carring the USB stick in your pocket (on way to school).
Be careful. Never start boinic twice on a machine (from USB stick and hard drive) at the same time.

If you got two USB sticks, you can move the hard drive installation of your home computer to the 2nd USB stick. You can toggle between the two sticks. One is always attached to your home computer for crunching, while the other is on the way to your laptop at school for up- and download.


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Message 221092 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 22:55:50 UTC

Only problem with USB "thumb drives" is that they are rated for a certain maximum number of "writes". Not sure how they'd handle being written to every minute or so when SETI checkpoints.
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Message 221100 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 23:13:26 UTC - in response to Message 220996.  

Even so if you set a reasonably sized cache, you should be able to do a batch of downloads in say 10 minutes that should give 20 or more results, enough for a day.


Maybe I should, but I'm not!

In Toronto, on a nation-wide dial-up ISP (Look / IDirect), I took 27 minutes by the Message Log to download 16 Results... And I need about 32 a day!

I'm just coming to the realization that when you multiply your crunching speed by 3 or 4, you do the same to your download/upload problems! Something UCB figured out about 6 years ago...






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Message 221106 - Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 23:21:17 UTC

Your in toronto? Can you not get high speed? I think Rogers and Sympatico offer a cheap braodband plan (128 down/64 up) for $20/month not the fastest thing, but a lot better than dial up!
Sympatico does have a 1 gig bandwidth cap though
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Message 221132 - Posted: 25 Dec 2005, 1:33:50 UTC - in response to Message 221092.  

Only problem with USB "thumb drives" is that they are rated for a certain maximum number of "writes". Not sure how they'd handle being written to every minute or so when SETI checkpoints.

especially with the ammount of data that can be writen, some projects (CPDN) write a LOT of data, and last time i checked, even the peak transfer rate of the best USB flash memory drives was erm, slow
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Message 221133 - Posted: 25 Dec 2005, 1:38:29 UTC - in response to Message 221106.  
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Your in toronto? Can you not get high speed? I think Rogers and Sympatico offer a cheap braodband plan (128 down/64 up) for $20/month not the fastest thing, but a lot better than dial up!
Sympatico does have a 1 gig bandwidth cap though

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I'm a brit, well actually i live on one of the "Channel Islands"

here you can get 512/256 ADSL for £17 a month with a 20 gig cap
or uncapped is 20 something

why is it so expensive in america? or is it just because there are a few dollers to the pound? but i don't remember that stopping companies before, i've seen the same items for £20, €20 and $20 lol
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