They have turned off the validators to ensure users got credit, AND turned off the Transitioners to prevent replacement wus from being issued unnecessarily.

They've always been good about this. No reason to think they'd change now.

sit back, relax, enjoy the ride. When you allow it to get yourself all wound up, see first statement.

had a developement with my host, it's still got mostly 500's but has also got the following thrown in the mix:

07/12/2005 13:59:46|SETI@home|Started upload of 15ap04aa.22158.9136.984656.241_1_0
07/12/2005 14:03:43||Attempting to send data to [setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu] failed [failed sending data to the peer]
07/12/2005 14:03:43|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 15ap04aa.22158.9136.984656.241_1_0: system write
07/12/2005 14:03:43|SETI@home|Backing off 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 2 seconds on upload of file 15ap04aa.22158.9136.984656.241_1_0

had a developement with my host, it's still got mostly 500's but has also got the following thrown in the mix:

07/12/2005 13:59:46|SETI@home|Started upload of 15ap04aa.22158.9136.984656.241_1_0
07/12/2005 14:03:43||Attempting to send data to [setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu] failed [failed sending data to the peer]
07/12/2005 14:03:43|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 15ap04aa.22158.9136.984656.241_1_0: system write
07/12/2005 14:03:43|SETI@home|Backing off 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 2 seconds on upload of file 15ap04aa.22158.9136.984656.241_1_0

They are getting closer to a cure.. I have seem some of my WU's start to trickle up to the server where none were going 2 hours ago.

I do hope you feel better informed now. Please do not discourage our information collection as you prejudice other peoples' opportunities to have their probelms sorted out.

What in the world are you talking about prejudices? Where do you see any help here? All I see is a bunch of useless copy and paste of the very same error with different hardware and software configurations. I know all too well why it started, what I know is that it doesn't contribute to anything at all. The very tiny users that are affected by the "MTU" bugs would much better benefic from SETI if SETI techs would simply allow another way of uploading the units, trying to circumvent whatever is the cause of the problem that either you or anyone else here have found a solution for.

Instead, this thread is a mix bag of issues much more related to present serious problems with either SETI or the backbones of Cogent/Level 3. And so, out of simple efficiency, it should be closed and started with another title which would include server down requests.

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They have turned off the validators to ensure users got credit, AND turned off the Transitioners to prevent replacement wus from being issued unnecessarily.

They've always been good about this. No reason to think they'd change now.

sit back, relax, enjoy the ride. When you allow it to get yourself all wound up, see first statement.

I vainly hoped that there would have been some "up to date" communication about the outage the last one was dated the 5th so I looked at the seti site and look what I found:-

Weekly Outage Notice

Every Wednesday we have a short outage to back up our database. The data servers and most web pages are offline during this time. The outage lasts 2-3 hours, and then there is a long period of "catch up" afterwards as the servers are swamped with backlogged requests

Are we still suffering from last wednesdays outage ?

Come on please seti team if you don't communicate to people on earth sensibly how do you hope to talk to other planets. What's happening ? If you really are struggling don't just stick lame messages about weekly backups.

What in the world are you talking about prejudices? Where do you see any help here? All I see is a bunch of useless copy and paste of the very same error with different hardware and software configurations. I know all too well why it started, what I know is that it doesn't contribute to anything at all. The very tiny users that are affected by the "MTU" bugs would much better benefic from SETI if SETI techs would simply allow another way of uploading the units, trying to circumvent whatever is the cause of the problem that either you or anyone else here have found a solution for.

I assume that you are neither Systems Engineer or Network Engineer. I happen
to be both and I am damn good at both. What you see as useless I see as a
great help in solving an issue. By telling people not to post anymore you
are limiting the data that can continue to be collected.

If you can't be of help then please refrain from being a hinderence..

If you don't like what is happening in this thread then IGNORE it.

Hi guys!
Im newbie in SETI data processing. For 4 days i still couldnt upload using BOINC 10 full processed files. Do u know when can we upload these files?

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Well it has been three days since I have been able to even connect so here is a cut and paste of my last "red" message group.

07/12/2005 1:07:05 PM||Couldn't connect to hostname [setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu]
07/12/2005 1:07:05 PM|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed with a return value of -106
07/12/2005 1:07:05 PM|SETI@home|No schedulers responded

I hope this stuff does help the techs figure out what is wrong.

Keith

What in the world are you talking about prejudices? Where do you see any help here? All I see is a bunch of useless copy and paste of the very same error with different hardware and software configurations. I know all too well why it started, what I know is that it doesn't contribute to anything at all. The very tiny users that are affected by the "MTU" bugs would much better benefic from SETI if SETI techs would simply allow another way of uploading the units, trying to circumvent whatever is the cause of the problem that either you or anyone else here have found a solution for.

I assume that you are neither Systems Engineer or Network Engineer. I happen
to be both and I am damn good at both. What you see as useless I see as a
great help in solving an issue. By telling people not to post anymore you
are limiting the data that can continue to be collected.

If you can't be of help then please refrain from being a hinderence..

If you don't like what is happening in this thread then IGNORE it.

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And here we thought it was a Seti problem only... Until someone happened upon the same problem at Einstein.

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... i would strongly advise that for now, you observe what goes on, and how things work, just because the reasons for something aren't apparent, doesn't mean it's wrong

I'm sure who you think you are but you are not one to tell me how I should use this board nor will I ever accept your attempts are censorship. Never, EVER think you can tell me what I should or shouldn't do. I've been using highspeed internet since 1995. I've given my input on numerous boards about numerous subjects. I do not attack people on a personel basis, I attacked the validity of this thread and this thread alone. I've been a SETI member since 1999, I know SETI but I do not pretend to be an expert or godly figure when it comes to understanding SETI science. I do not need you to treat me like a child, as if I had just landed on the internet and needed to take your -O so wise- hand to guide me along.

When I see something which bothers me, I speak about, I don't go and do a research on a given subject until I am sure I have reach a level of understanding that I think should match one of a post graduate in science. I asks my questions and I put the doubts where I feel I want to put them. You are not happy about reading me, go along, move pass me, don't even bother me with this garbage. Thank you.

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I assume that you are neither Systems Engineer or Network Engineer. I happen to be both and I am damn good at both. What you see as useless I see as a
great help in solving an issue. By telling people not to post anymore you
are limiting the data that can continue to be collected.

If you can't be of help then please refrain from being a hinderence..

If you don't like what is happening in this thread then IGNORE it.

Sorry CW, but you come across as completely sanctimonious. Please stop such posts, regardless. This BB is not a p*ssing contest, and your post is vain and arrogant. I suggest you heed your own advice, and if you do not like a post just ignore it.

FD.

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If you can't be of help then please refrain from being a hinderence..

If you don't like what is happening in this thread then IGNORE it.

As I already stated, this is a waste of the board's resources. Who ever you are, what ever you do. I couldn't care less, and no, I'm not either of those you mentioned and I couldn't care less to be either of those. I see this constant posting of ENTIRE boinc logs to be a total waste here and since the entire system load is already maxed out, I hardly see why this is accepted. When you started to see the thread degress, you should have acted in a responsible manner and tell me people that enough data had been collected a -long- time ago.

Now, if you are not happy about me not agreeing with you, that too I couldn't care less. I'm not here to make you happy, I'm not here to insult you or treat you like a child. I'm not here either to boast what I do in life and, by the same token, stumping others which submit dissention. Don’t even tell me that I shouldn’t tell people to stop posting these useless logs, you’ve already did what I said should have been done a long time ago. I see a minority of people which may have gone a step too far into thinking they are -references- when it comes to SETI. When this reference is good, so be it, it’s a helper to everyone, but when this references isn’t good (in my opinion), then it is my right to speak out and make my point come accross.

It is also YOUR right not to agree with me, telling me your view points in a manner that respects the both of us. Telling what YOU are, only serve in diminishing my input, make me feel “small” because you would be the ultimate “reference” when it comes to SETI (am I am far from pretending I would be one). If it was the case, no one would ever have the right to speak out, they would feel as if nothing they could ever say would have any kind of value.

Boards are invented for people to give input, not for people to tell other people to keep their inputs to themselves.

With respect.

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We will crack it for sure but it takes time and patience. Personally I would like to thank Ned Ludd, mmciastro and Celtic Wolf for their efforts in helping chase down these problems. Also the project director Dr Anderson and Matt and Jeff @ UCB in their work and Bruce Allen for the scritping he has done this week. There are others of course and thanks to them too. We will prevail here.

One thing that bothers me more than a little bit is the fact that we've been talking alot about MTU issues, and what we're getting here (and on the other thread) have been truly unfocused.

Wolf is trying to collect data on how people connect to the net to see if there is something common among people who are getting the 500 errors.

I've suggested as a diagnostic for those who have 500 errors, try setting MTU to 576. I don't recommend this as the answer, but if the default 1500 doesn't work and 576 does we'd have a starting point for further investigation.

We've got questions about DNS, and one thing we know for sure is that you can't get a 500 error back from the server without connecting to it, which rules out DNS in any targeted discussion.

But mostly, we've got the same problem with this discussion that we have with SETI: we've got a tiny little signal buried in a whole lotta noise.

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I respect CW for his assistance in tying to resolve this problem. However, that does not allow him to put down anyone on this (or any other) BB, trying to express their opinion, whether it is right or wrong.

FD.

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I agree they should stop pumping more WU's out then maybe they will catch up before my three + days worth expire. I have every simpathy with the problem s**t happens and don't mind helping the project but I'm not keen on wasting time/electricity for nothing.

Those of us who have been around for a while have seen this all before.

First, there is no reason to believe that work you've done will be lost, or fail to receive credit, because of server problems. Any such issues have been minor to nonexistent in the past (I can't think of a time when work was lost).

Uploads and downloads are being delayed, and guess what? The project can't tune for load without a load to tune against. You are helping provide the load.

As a final note: please notice that SETI has never asked you to "make" clock cycles for the project. I run SETI on machines that are going to be on anyway. If you want to make clock cycles, fine, but it's up to you. If you feel better temporarily reducing your contributions during tough times, I'd say that's appropriate.

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Wolf is trying to collect data on how people connect to the net to see if there is something common among people who are getting the 500 errors.

I've suggested as a diagnostic for those who have 500 errors, try setting MTU to 576. I don't recommend this as the answer, but if the default 1500 doesn't work and 576 does we'd have a starting point for further investigation.

We've got questions about DNS, and one thing we know for sure is that you can't get a 500 error back from the server without connecting to it, which rules out DNS in any targeted discussion.

My intention is not to bring you into any kind of debates, but this is exactly what I mean by a valid help. This is in the spirit of this thread, this is exactly what we should be talking about. Finding a solution, working toward one with input that helps us along the way. But as long as there is a major outage going on (as I too am affected by the I/O,500,Unable to reach... so forth), I presume next to impossible to make any kind of real debugging attemps to solve this problem.

Again, my reply here isn't meant to bring anyone to side... mine or any others. I don't play these games. I just want a problem solved, and I search for constructive ways of bringing us closer to that resolution.

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As a final note: please notice that SETI has never asked you to "make" clock cycles for the project. I run SETI on machines that are going to be on anyway. If you want to make clock cycles, fine, but it's up to you. If you feel better temporarily reducing your contributions during tough times, I'd say that's appropriate.

This would be out of the thread's spirit but I will admit that I didn't think about stopping my downloads, it is stressful times and yes, reducing d/l would probably give the systems a needed break. This is one reflection I will seriously take into consideration. I'm not a big time cruncher, but any and every crunchers out there have their impact on the systems. Sometime we are so used to how things are, stopping the d/l would also seem as stressful as not being able to u/l any units.

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I respect CW for his assistance in tying to resolve this problem. However, that does not allow him to put down anyone on this (or any other) BB, trying to express their opinion, whether it is right or wrong.

FD.

Nor did I put down anyone, and that I will utterly disagree with you. But since this is getting us nowhere, and since this is way outside the scope of this thread which I respect the creator and will not submit other responses unless feeling a serious personal attack, which I think I have taken from you.

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Where does these errors show up? Until I found on the boards that there was a system problem I thought the problem was at my end. All I've seen have been the messages telling me that the upload/download has ethier been deffered or failed. Thanks
Brad

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I just came over from the Classic World and have been crunching for about a week under BOINC (love that name BOINC) so anyway, I am all stopped up as well with 500 errors backed up on a bunch of workstations. so to the point.....I have a T-1 here at work crunching with Windows boxes and Mac Boxes and I have a cable modem (RoadRunner) at home with an XP box there getting the same results and errors. I must have at least 300 WU's stacked up, it'll be interesting when all of this shakes loose. Anyway there you go.....

S.

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