...and this post will vanish when your American censors read it. God Bless America, land of freedom and a lesson to us all.

Actually I'm from Denmark =)

What can I say

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There is a "cheat". If using the optimized client try and make sure you're the 4th person in. It only works as long as most prople don't use optimized client. You get the average for the other three people. optimized clients get about 9-10 credits /wu. Regular client gets about 25 credits / wu.


Do I want to try optimized client?

Its on the board other places. shouldn't it be told in here?

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If you return units succesfully, but they are not validated and not granted credit, then it could be a stability problem on the host. Check that it is not overheating and/or overclocked. If your motherboard supplier did not provide a temerature monitoring utility, then there are several free ones available, such as;

• PCWizard2005
  
• Everest Home edition
  

which give you lots of info about your computer.

To test for stability, other than using Seti etc, there are programs like;

• Prime95 Torture test
  
• SuperPI, do 4M minimum
  
• Memtest86, boots from floopy or cd and takes time, over 30mins on P4 2.53.
  

Please note that Memtest86 is no longer being maintained (hasn't been updated for over a year).
The replacement is Memtest86+ Here. You will need this version for machines with newer chipsets.

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Please note that Memtest86 is no longer being maintained (hasn't been updated for over a year).
The replacement is Memtest86+ Here. You will need this version for machines with newer chipsets.

My thanks go to those kind people from Tooting.

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[quote]The default values in the preferences were chosen for a reason. If it is at all possible for you to run with those default values, at least while getting started with BOINC, then you should avoid making any changes. When you _do_ make changes, it is a good idea to make them slowly - if you think you want a ten-day cache of work, for example (a really bad idea, IMHO...) then you might go from the default 0.1 to 0.5 for a day, then to 1, then to 2, then 4, then 6, then 8, then finally (if you haven't thought better of it by then) to 10.

Likewise on disk space - BOINC will not take up gigabytes of your space, but telling it that it can only have a few megabytes will probably mean that you don't get any work. It needs space _temporarily_ for things like downloading the science applications, and if you don't let it use that space, you won't be doing anything.

Hi...I have taken the advice given here and have tried to understand some of the things happening with BOINC/SETI on my local LAN and try to make it work. I have found a way to "fool" the preferences; I use "home" for the Mac, OS X, "schoo"l for the eMachine, XP and "work" for the older, slower Toshiba laptop, 98. This way, the lowest preference/last setting doesn't foul up the other machines by migrating to them; and the they don't receive work. The laptop works like a trooper; the XP works from time to time, but the Mac just doesn't do its job, hardly at all.

(I have suspended the Climate project on the Mac and wish to remove that, someway)

Any ideas about how to make the Mac work better based on preferences...get "computer overwhelmed" constantly. Have changed resource value a lot downward. Used defaults but still doesn't work. Any ideas appreciated.

Dr. Bob

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Robert L. Hanson, Ed.D.

Hi...I have taken the advice given here and have tried to understand some of the things happening with BOINC/SETI on my local LAN and try to make it work. I have found a way to "fool" the preferences; I use "home" for the Mac, OS X, "schoo"l for the eMachine, XP and "work" for the older, slower Toshiba laptop, 98. This way, the lowest preference/last setting doesn't foul up the other machines by migrating to them; and the they don't receive work. The laptop works like a trooper; the XP works from time to time, but the Mac just doesn't do its job, hardly at all.

That's not "fooling" the preferences, that's exactly what they're intended to be used for!

(I have suspended the Climate project on the Mac and wish to remove that, someway)

I think you'd go to the Projects tab, select Climate on the right and click the Detach button on the left. Then Update Climate.

Any ideas about how to make the Mac work better based on preferences...get "computer overwhelmed" constantly. Have changed resource value a lot downward. Used defaults but still doesn't work. Any ideas appreciated.

You might try asking over on the Q&A/Help Desk boards, in the Mac section. Just reading through some of the threads there may give you ideas.

MJ

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(I have suspended the Climate project on the Mac and wish to remove that, someway)

On the "Projects" tab (far left), select the project you want to remove and click on the "Detach" button. Once that's done, inside the BOINC directory there's a "Projects" folder. After you've Detached, anything left in that folder (or the folder itself) can be safely removed.

Your point about using the different workgroups to control different hosts is also a good one. I've got 3 machines, running 3 different OS'es and different hardware. Each has its own mix of resource shares and work queue length.

Running a shorter work queue will reduce the likelihood of entering earliest-deadline-first (EDF) mode, although there's really not a problem if it goes into EDF for a while. If a project gets more than its share based on your resource settings, it won't be allowed to download more work until it's paid off the debt. The resource shares are long-term--over time, the amount of time going to each project approaches your specified shares. Day-to-day, let alone minute-to-minute, workload varies depending on who's had the CPU lately, the mix of work that's downloaded, etc.

The scheduler does have a few quirks, and anytime settings are changed, it can take a few days for things to settle down. After making any change, the best advice is to let it run for several days, *then* look at what it's doing.

Cheers,

Brian

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If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

(I have suspended the Climate project on the Mac and wish to remove that, someway)

On the "Projects" tab (far left), select the project you want to remove and click on the "Detach" button. Once that's done, inside the BOINC directory there's a "Projects" folder. After you've Detached, anything left in that folder (or the folder itself) can be safely removed.

I seem to have figured that out just before I read your post and it worked. Not sure where directory is so have not removed anything; looked at mac "library" but couldn't find anything for climate. Seems to have made things run faster, when I removed Climate. Thanks! [/i}

Your point about using the different workgroups to control different hosts is also a good one. I've got 3 machines, running 3 different OS'es and different hardware. Each has its own mix of resource shares and work queue length.

[i] Very similiar to my arrangement. Not sure how to adjust work queue length, though. [/i}

Running a shorter work queue will reduce the likelihood of entering earliest-deadline-first (EDF) mode, although there's really not a problem if it goes into EDF for a while. If a project gets more than its share based on your resource settings, it won't be allowed to download more work until it's paid off the debt. The resource shares are long-term--over time, the amount of time going to each project approaches your specified shares. Day-to-day, let alone minute-to-minute, workload varies depending on who's had the CPU lately, the mix of work that's downloaded, etc.

{i] Now the Mac seems to be working; maybe I was wanting to much, too soon. Attached to large servers requires more patience, I suspect. Thanks for the explanation.

it can take a few days for things to settle down. After making any change, the best advice is to let it run for several days, *then* look at what it's doing.

Cheers,

Brian

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Robert L. Hanson, Ed.D.

Did you know...

...that there is a nice third-party BoincView program that helps you to manage your computers much easier than with the standard BoincManager, especially if you have more than one. You can watch the state of all your computers at a single screen together!

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Kitty@SETI team (Russia). Our cats also want to know if there is ETI out there

Hi...I have taken the advice given here and have tried to understand some of the things happening with BOINC/SETI on my local LAN and try to make it work. I have found a way to "fool" the preferences; I use "home" for the Mac, OS X, "schoo"l for the eMachine, XP and "work" for the older, slower Toshiba laptop, 98. This way, the lowest preference/last setting doesn't foul up the other machines by migrating to them; and the they don't receive work. The laptop works like a trooper; the XP works from time to time, but the Mac just doesn't do its job, hardly at all.

That's not "fooling" the preferences, that's exactly what they're intended to be used for!

(I have suspended the Climate project on the Mac and wish to remove that, someway)

I think you'd go to the Projects tab, select Climate on the right and click the Detach button on the left. Then Update Climate.

Any ideas about how to make the Mac work better based on preferences...get "computer overwhelmed" constantly. Have changed resource value a lot downward. Used defaults but still doesn't work. Any ideas appreciated.

You might try asking over on the Q&A/Help Desk boards, in the Mac section. Just reading through some of the threads there may give you ideas.

Thanks for your ideas and help; I have done all of them....

Best,

Dr. Bob

MJ

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Robert L. Hanson, Ed.D.

Hi Dr. Bob, I started this thread to be a LIST of things helpful to new users. It would be more effective if it remained just for hints and such. Could you make a new thread to ask questions. I'm trying to help everyone I can with this, and if people think it's a Q&A thread, they won't read it.

thanks for joining boinc, good luck

tony

Hi Dr. Bob, I started this thread to be a LIST of things helpful to new users. It would be more effective if it remained just for hints and such. Could you make a new thread to ask questions. I'm trying to help everyone I can with this, and if people think it's a Q&A thread, they won't read it.

thanks for joining boinc, good luck

tony

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Hi Dr. Bob, I started this thread to be a LIST of things helpful to new users. It would be more effective if it remained just for hints and such. Could you make a new thread to ask questions. I'm trying to help everyone I can with this, and if people think it's a Q&A thread, they won't read it.

thanks for joining boinc, good luck

tony

Hey all;
New user here. I still like the classic program, but will give thi8s time. maybe it will grow on me. My only problem seems to be that I can't always get the screensaver to show the grfics. Sometimes it will, but most time justr getting black screen. any help with this would be greatly appreciated...Jim from Arborg, Mb.

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New user here.

Did you know... When posting in the wrong thread, it's usually good to not quote the "don't post here" message sent to the guy who did it right before you. If you want help, post your question correctly, either in an existing thread that addresses the same or similar situation (which might make posting unnecessary) or in a new thread.

New user here.

Did you know... When posting in the wrong thread, it's usually good to not quote the "don't post here" message sent to the guy who did it right before you. If you want help, post your question correctly, either in an existing thread that addresses the same or similar situation (which might make posting unnecessary) or in a new thread.

sry, still getting used to all this. anyways I think I have it figured out... Thankx anyways...Jim

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Did you know,

RAC = Recent Average Credits
TC = Total Credits

Also see here for more about RAC and TC, and here for more about Credits.

Click my signature Statbox to see how they're used in statistics.
(When used in Ranking stats, RAC prognose where you end up with the current pace).

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Did you know,

Where to find optimized clients?

Maybe for the more advanced... but here are some links:

http://www.guntec.de/Crunch3r/boincx86.html
http://naparst.name/index.htm
http://www.mkx.si/boinc/
http://www.pperry.f2s.com/downloads.htm
http://www.marisan.nl/seti/
http://boinc.truxoft.com/

Read about the latest developments here.

Did you know,

How to make a clickable stat box, like this one?



Here's one example (how I made mine):


1. Go to http://www.andyk.de/bws/?page=generator

2. Make your own counter by filling in the three dialogs. I used:

   [i]Counter type = [b]Detailed[/b]
   Project = [b]SETI@home[/b], ID for that project = [b]128547[/b]
   Style = [b]3[/b][/i]

3. On the final dialog page, knot down the URLs/links displayed.

   [b]Your generated URL is:[/b]
   http://www.andyk.de/bws/counter_detailed.php?id=128547&project=seti&style=3
   [b]Code to put the image into a HTML-page:[/b]
   <img src="http://www.andyk.de/bws/counter_detailed.php?id=128547&project=seti&style=3">

4. As we're not allowed to use HTML codes here on this board, we must translate the code to BBCode:

   [ img ]http://www.andyk.de/bws/counter_detailed.php?id=128547&project=seti&style=3[ /img ] (without the spaces)

5. To make the image clickable to your stats, write:

   [ url=http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/boinc-stats.php?id=128547 ] (...continued on next line...)
   [ img ]http://www.andyk.de/bws/counter_detailed.php?id=128547&project=seti&style=3[ /img ][ /url ] (without the spaces)

6. If your URLs are getting too long, use http://tinyurl.com to make them smaller. Here's how mine looks:

   [ url=http://tinyurl.com/avex9][img]http://tinyurl.com/9zfty[ /img ][ /url ] (delete the spaces here too)

7. Put your new and shiny statbox code into your signature field in Forum Preferences. Note that this field has a max limit to number of characters you can input (hence the tip in #6 above).

8. Test your new signature in the signature testing thread in Cafe.


In the above example, replace my ID 128547 with your own. You'll find it in your account page or under your nickname to the left of your posts on this forum board.

There are other stats pages than the one I have used. Look here for more: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_stats.php

Wow!!! Thanks so much for the very detailed and helpful suggestion for Sigs! That entire sequence should be added to the WIKI...

Thanks again,

Dr. bob

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Robert L. Hanson, Ed.D.

Sig docs added to WIKI
Signature

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