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Message 164888 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:03:24 UTC

Just made my donation.... Couldn't afford much (I donated $20 BTW), but every bit helps I guess. Imagine if every one of the approx. 200000 SETI BOINC users donated a buck or two...

It's not clear if that will be $20 USD or $20 CAD, oh well...
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Message 164889 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:05:58 UTC - in response to Message 164885.  

[quote][quote]I made a donation on July 19th and I don't have a star. Maybe it's for the most recent and future donations.... >:-| |-::-)

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Message 164891 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:07:44 UTC - in response to Message 164888.  

It's not clear if that will be $20 USD or $20 CAD, oh well...


Since UCB is in the US, and they use a US credit card processor, it will be US, so it'll probably be closer to $24 CDN.



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Message 164893 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:11:01 UTC - in response to Message 164887.  

Isn't EVERYONE that crunches seti WU's donating to the project?

For those in the US, the government (our tax dollars) are also being sent directly to UCB by way of NSF grants.

Would seti classic have crunched 2 billion WUs if people didn't dontate resources (time on their own computers)?

This "green star" thing IMHO, is a bad thing.

As usual, you miss the point. Swooosh [sound of point flying over your head]

EVERYTHING IYHO, is a bad thing.... By making a monitary donation to a cause we believe in, that's a bad thing, huh? >:-| |-:
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Message 164895 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:15:13 UTC - in response to Message 164893.  

[quote]Isn't EVERYONE that crunches seti WU's donating to the project?

For those in the US, the government (our tax dollars) are also being sent directly to UCB by way of NSF grants.

Would seti classic have crunched 2 billion WUs if people didn't dontate resources (time on their own computers)?

This "green star" thing IMHO, is a bad thing.

As usual, you miss the point. Swooosh [sound of point flying over your head]

EVERYTHING IYHO, is a bad thing.... By making a monitary donation to a cause we believe in, that's a bad thing, huh? >:-| |-:
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Message 164898 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:16:45 UTC

For the record, I plan to go back at "star" people who donated before 9/1/2005 - it's just that we didn't have this system in place and confirming e-mail addresses, etc. is a bit difficult. But it'll happen.

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Message 164901 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:20:30 UTC - in response to Message 164898.  

For the record, I plan to go back at "star" people who donated before 9/1/2005 - it's just that we didn't have this system in place and confirming e-mail addresses, etc. is a bit difficult. But it'll happen.

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So, how long after we make a donation does the star appear? Does it have to be verified by a real human first during business hrs? Just curious. I've actually been planning on making a donation for some time now but never seem to get around to it, I guess this was just the poke in the behind I needed.

Keep it up SETI... I'd send you a truck load of servers if I could afford it.

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Message 164903 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:21:28 UTC - in response to Message 164895.  
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[quote][quote]Isn't EVERYONE that crunches seti WU's donating to the project?

For those in the US, the government (our tax dollars) are also being sent directly to UCB by way of NSF grants.

Would seti classic have crunched 2 billion WUs if people didn't dontate resources (time on their own computers)?

This "green star" thing IMHO, is a bad thing.

As usual, you miss the point. Swooosh [sound of point flying over your head]

EVERYTHING IYHO, is a bad thing.... By making a monitary donation to a cause we believe in, that's a bad thing, huh? >:-| |-::-) (-:
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Message 164905 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:27:53 UTC - in response to Message 164901.  

Should be fairly quick, i.e. less than an hour, unless there's some kind of problem (you enter in a different e-mail address, etc., - anything that requires human intervention to fix).

- Matt

So, how long after we make a donation does the star appear? Does it have to be verified by a real human first during business hrs? Just curious. I've actually been planning on making a donation for some time now but never seem to get around to it, I guess this was just the poke in the behind I needed.

Keep it up SETI... I'd send you a truck load of servers if I could afford it.


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Message 164908 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:39:49 UTC - in response to Message 164905.  

Should be fairly quick, i.e. less than an hour, unless there's some kind of problem (you enter in a different e-mail address, etc., - anything that requires human intervention to fix).

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Doh! Having a bunch of email addresses can cause problems. I did, in fact give a different address. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to be patient.
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Message 164910 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 2:42:20 UTC - in response to Message 164903.  
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[quote][quote][quote]Isn't EVERYONE that crunches seti WU's donating to the project?

For those in the US, the government (our tax dollars) are also being sent directly to UCB by way of NSF grants.

Would seti classic have crunched 2 billion WUs if people didn't dontate resources (time on their own computers)?

This "green star" thing IMHO, is a bad thing.

As usual, you miss the point. Swooosh [sound of point flying over your head]

EVERYTHING IYHO, is a bad thing.... By making a monitary donation to a cause we believe in, that's a bad thing, huh? >:-| |-::-) (-:
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Message 164916 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 3:01:32 UTC - in response to Message 164910.  

My point is that we ara ALL donators here! If you don't get that, all I can do is quote another poster who said "Swooosh [sound of point flying over your head]"

I think the green star thing (notice no quotes) is a bad thing.

Now if the green star (no quotoes) was based on message board posts, seems you're about 4x mine!


Anyone who posts in these forums has evidence in the left margin of computer time donations. The green stars differentiate between those who've donated time and those who've donated time and money.

The system is hardly perfect as you pointed out with your $0.50 example... I see in the not-too-distant future color-coded stars for different levels of monetary donation, maybe gears for donated equipment, etc. It may come to a point of including color-coded hourglasses for time-on-project and a contest to see who can come up with the best geometric representation of a credit.

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Message 164920 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 3:15:15 UTC - in response to Message 164910.  

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.... I DO consider those "Real donations" to the project!

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And, MY point is that a "real" donation comes from deep within ones pockets, no matter how much they can afford. NOT from what ones computer can do.... Any dolt can supply CPU cycles to the project. It takes someone who REALLY believes in the project to dig deep....

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Message 164921 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 3:26:12 UTC - in response to Message 164884.  
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[quote]Here we can see the total donation and the number of donator month by month.

If there is a way to donate by bank (or pay pal) I will be happy to do the donation.

Ok, I find that there is something wrong with that history. Many of us donated in July of this year and it [the history] shows 0 donations. I also made a donation late last year that shows 0 for the whole year. What's up with that? >:-/ \\-:
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Message 164925 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 3:37:25 UTC - in response to Message 164923.  

Siran, they are working on that site.


Shure. I hope that there wil be a page that shows all the donors month by month, to see who and how much have donated :)
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Message 164930 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 3:50:36 UTC - in response to Message 164910.  

Heck.. I could donate $.50 to seti and get a green star. Why should that be more "important" than the 116,478 hours of classic time I've donated or the 37,000+ plus seti boinc credits (indicating donated computer time)?? I DO consider those "Real donations" to the project! My point is that we ara ALL donators here! If you don't get that, all I can do is quote another poster who said "Swooosh [sound of point flying over your head]" I think the green star thing (notice no quotes) is a bad thing.

Speaking of donating computer power how much do you think a private super-computer company would charge me (hourly, monthy, whatever) if I hired them to process a science app for me 24/7?
Now if the green star (no quotoes) was based on message board posts, seems you're about 4x mine!

Careful now, you're sounding like certain born-again troll I know of. :)
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Message 164936 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 4:02:00 UTC - in response to Message 164930.  

Heck.. I could donate $.50 to seti and get a green star. Why should that be more "important" than the 116,478 hours of classic time I've donated or the 37,000+ plus seti boinc credits (indicating donated computer time)?? I DO consider those "Real donations" to the project! My point is that we ara ALL donators here! If you don't get that, all I can do is quote another poster who said "Swooosh [sound of point flying over your head]" I think the green star thing (notice no quotes) is a bad thing.

Speaking of donating computer power how much do you think a private super-computer company would charge me (hourly, monthy, whatever) if I hired them to process a science app for me 24/7?
Now if the green star (no quotoes) was based on message board posts, seems you're about 4x mine!

Careful now, you're sounding like certain born-again troll I know of. :)



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Message 164940 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 4:07:48 UTC - in response to Message 164921.  

[quote][quote]Here we can see the total donation and the number of donator month by month.

If there is a way to donate by bank (or pay pal) I will be happy to do the donation.

Ok, I find that there is something wrong with that history. Many of us donated in July of this year and it [the history] shows 0 donations. I also made a donation late last year that shows 0 for the whole year. What's up with that? >:-/ \\-::-) (-:
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Message 164942 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 4:09:43 UTC - in response to Message 164916.  

My point is that we ara ALL donators here! If you don't get that, all I can do is quote another poster who said "Swooosh [sound of point flying over your head]"

I think the green star thing (notice no quotes) is a bad thing.

Now if the green star (no quotoes) was based on message board posts, seems you're about 4x mine!


Anyone who posts in these forums has evidence in the left margin of computer time donations. The green stars differentiate between those who've donated time and those who've donated time and money.

The system is hardly perfect as you pointed out with your $0.50 example... I see in the not-too-distant future color-coded stars for different levels of monetary donation, maybe gears for donated equipment, etc. It may come to a point of including color-coded hourglasses for time-on-project and a contest to see who can come up with the best geometric representation of a credit.



No, the real point is that a star (no quotes) does NOT indicate a donation to the project. It indicates money donated, but not the true meaning of the progect - crunching time.

What if...

a $20 donation or 2000 credits got you a "star"?

or $50 or 5000 credits git you a different star?

Heck - a $20 donation is equal to less than 30 minutes of Dr Dave's time in take home pay!
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Message 164943 - Posted: 9 Sep 2005, 4:14:15 UTC - in response to Message 164920.  

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.... I DO consider those "Real donations" to the project!

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And, MY point is that a "real" donation comes from deep within ones pockets, no matter how much they can afford. NOT from what ones computer can do.... Any dolt can supply CPU cycles to the project. It takes someone who REALLY believes in the project to dig deep....



You think than someone crunching for the project as they can is less importantant than someone who makes a $0.50 donation? That's clearly what you are saying here!

The Green star (no quotes) is meaningless in the goal of the project!
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