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Message 10998 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 2:31:04 UTC - in response to Message 10959.  

> There is no F***ING special treatment for anybody.
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> I helped write parts of the dang system and I can't get any workunits.
> shesh.
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> ----- Rom
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Message 11000 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 2:33:59 UTC
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You people are becoming paranoid in your obsession. Now the Seti@home developers are supporing some kind of preferential treatment? Just because you don't happen to get work units? This is embarassing.
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Message 11001 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 2:34:37 UTC

This is kind of BS. If the Seti project administrators know there's going to be an abundance of processing power and shortage of work then they're not doing their jobs. They should make the work fit the processors. They should perform more sophisticated processor intensive analysis so as to more appropriately match supply and demand.

I joined S@H to find aliens. I could give a f*** less about prime numbers or protiens or how many clowns can fit in one of those little tiny cars.

Plus, BOINC is fine for me - I don't mind searching web sites and figuring out how to configure things, but it seems too complicated for the average user. I'd really hate for the magic, the attraction of this project to get dissipated, or lost in a crowd of other projects.

Seti is special, and it's more important than any other network computing project. I don't want a multi-project attitude. I want Seti to have a more aggressive attitude.

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Message 11003 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 2:37:20 UTC - in response to Message 10959.  
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Message 11005 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 2:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 10669.  

> Even during the most intensive Veta testing the daw for WU's was not what it
> turned out to be on announment week.
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> Personally I stay away from the Veta Testing, although I will do some Beta
> Testing now & then... ;)
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Message 11027 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 3:30:27 UTC - in response to Message 10805.  
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Message 11055 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 4:39:34 UTC

I didn't mean to be impolite, I'm just a highly motivated SETI supporter, and want to see it keep up the momentum. Remember when the problem was too LITTLE computing power? :)

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Message 11155 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 7:12:44 UTC - in response to Message 11001.  

I'm beginning to be suspicious. Maybe the Seti guys have been infiltrated by aliens? They sure don't want to be found so we can all be their slaves!

Ok, I just brought this sentence because that's the only discussion format we haven't had yet... (who is writing this? I wanted to write something else! :))

Back to a discussion without flames I'd prefer.

> This is kind of BS. If the Seti project administrators know there's going to
> be an abundance of processing power and shortage of work then they're not
> doing their jobs. They should make the work fit the processors. They should

Hm, how should they do that?

> perform more sophisticated processor intensive analysis so as to more
> appropriately match supply and demand.

Yes, it would be nice but maybe they're thinking about this?

> I joined S@H to find aliens. I could give a f*** less about prime numbers or
> protiens or how many clowns can fit in one of those little tiny cars.

Full ACK.

> Plus, BOINC is fine for me - I don't mind searching web sites and figuring out
> how to configure things, but it seems too complicated for the average user.

Yes, I also tried a lot of compiles to make the linux client faster etc.

> I'd really hate for the magic, the attraction of this project to get
> dissipated, or lost in a crowd of other projects.

But: the current seti way is only one method of finding alien signals. There will be more ideas of how to search for signals in the future. I'd also like to participate in such projects. And I think, if the current problems have been gone there will be a big mass of users coming to seti again, so that's not the problem.

> Seti is special, and it's more important than any other network computing
> project. I don't want a multi-project attitude. I want Seti to have a more
> aggressive attitude.

Right at this time I'd like them to fix the bugs and to generate more work for my clients (which only get 1 WU a day, sometimes not even that). I'd say the project itself is getting better when rumours like "it works" will find their way.

But at this time we can only wait for WUs and hope that there will be more data in the future. BTW, if this situation won't get better in the next half a year and I can not even process 1 WU per day (normally I have upto 10 machines, classic was at 18700 results for me until today) I have to say: that was it. In this case Seti is useless, I won't give any computer time (and power, seti itself costs me more than 500 Euros the last years just for electric power, you always forget how much the user has to pay for the bills if he's willing to compute and let the machines run day & night) anymore. But I doubt that our machines are that powerful that we can scan every signal from the sky in such a short time that there's no work anymore. The sky is too big for that and the tapes from the antenna will get more in the future (I mean: you won't stop to scan the sky?).

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Message 11169 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 7:57:51 UTC

you people that say the people that build up 15 days of work will make it through the shortages are probally wrong i have a stock unmodified dell inspiron 1100 laptop that uslally runs through wu's in about 50 to 60 percent less time then it should if even the huge ones that say they should take a day and a half can finish in about 12 to 15 hrs. unless there loaded with running programs any dell over the 2350 series should do the same so even we heavy loaders are probally out.
bonic is running smooth the only thing messing it up is us asking for too much work they could fix that by shutting down classic and devoting all that processing power to bonic. their server is not even running right right now.
another is that the arecibo sattilite is down and has been all this month and a bunch of june too thats less then six months of data tape to split into wu's its going to be crazy if they run out of work units that way.
and if there any other projects the seti and the predictor will some body post their site so i can actually work on stuff for the entire day instead of eight out of how many between the down loads of a single wu.
and yes i realize that this is voluntary. ive been volunterring since 2001 on classic.
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Message 11170 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 7:57:51 UTC - in response to Message 10998.  

> > There is no F***ING special treatment for anybody.
> >
> > I helped write parts of the dang system and I can't get any workunits.
> > shesh.
> >
> > ----- Rom
> > BOINC Development Team, U.C. Berkeley
> > <img> src="http://seti2.mundayweb.com/stats.php?userID=639&useCached=true">
> >
> Then explain what one needs to do to get ten WU's per day (instead of
> 5439.51). I've got ONE work unit left between three computers with a 5 - 10
> day cache set.
>
> Looking at the credit leaders, the "big boys" seem to be getting a lot og
> credit so they must have WU's to crunch.

Arg! You'd think by now people would understand how credit works. 5439.51 WU's a day - blimey that'd be impresive and i wish. I've 67 machines 80% of which have no work at all. So before posting, go away and read up on how boinc operates http://boinc.berkeley.edu has plenty of info on the workings of Boinc.

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Message 11180 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 9:21:19 UTC - in response to Message 10959.  

> There is no F***ING special treatment for anybody.
>
> I helped write parts of the dang system and I can't get any workunits.
> shesh.
>
> ----- Rom
> BOINC Development Team, U.C. Berkeley
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Can't get any work units - who are you kidding. Just checked your profile

recent average credit 278.61

Thats a lot of not getting any WUs.

Stop the bullshit - - why fo you average 278.61 and I can't get diddley squat??
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Message 11182 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 9:32:21 UTC - in response to Message 11180.  

> > There is no F***ING special treatment for anybody.
> >
> > I helped write parts of the dang system and I can't get any workunits.
> > shesh.
> >
> > ----- Rom
> > BOINC Development Team, U.C. Berkeley
> > <img> src="http://seti2.mundayweb.com/stats.php?userID=639&useCached=true">
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> Can't get any work units - who are you kidding. Just checked your profile
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> recent average credit 278.61
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> Thats a lot of not getting any WUs.
>
> Stop the bullshit - - why fo you average 278.61 and I can't get diddley
> squat??
> the man from the land down under
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That credit is coming from work units that Rom may have completed well over a week ago. Do us all a favour, engage brain and do some reserch (how credit is awarded has been covered countless times on these forums) before posting.



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Message 11188 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 9:59:40 UTC
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Tony, you are so far off base it isn't even funny. Rom is not getting any more WU's than the rest of us. I haven't been able to get any WU's either for 2 or 3 days now from Seti either & I have a lot higher Credit than Rom Does ... You guys & your conspiracy theory's crack me up ...

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Message 11223 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 10:48:53 UTC - in response to Message 10805.  
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> Racing Post Free Tips is correct when he/she states that a 'multi-project
> attitude' is required under BOINC. While the current woes of BOINC/S@H are
> due to lack of hardware capacity, when S@H-Classic goes dark and BOINC/S@H
> takes over the NICE hardware there will be another issue.
>
> S@H-Classic kept up with demand for work units by issueing the same work unit
> to a LOT of people (5, maybe 10 or more). Not so with BOINC/S@H. BOINC/S@H
> will issue a work unit to only 3 people to start and will only issue it to
> more people if there are problems such as mismatches in verification or
> overdue (past the 2 week deadline) work units. As such, (at least until they
> can get more data sources such as Parkes) they WILL run out of work units for
> BOINC/S@H. The demand will just be too great.
>
> One of the advantages of the BOINC platform is that a user can attatch their
> computers to more than one project, and specify those projects' relative
> priority. If one project is out of work, the BOINC client will fetch from the
> other(s). Futhermore, provision is made in the BOINC XML dumps for the 3rd
> party stats sites to COMBINE stats over all the projects. No matter WHAT
> project(s) you run, the totals of your stats will be available for comparasion
> with all the other BOINC 'users'.
>
> There ARE NOW other BOINC projects up and running, with several others in the
> design stages...
>
> Predictor@Home - Protien folding project, currently in alpha test -
> http://predictor.scripps.edu Scripps is also rumored to be planning to move
> some of their OTHER projects over to BOINC, possibly by end of year.
>
> Pirates@Home - currently in alpha test. The testbed for designing the
> Einstein@Home project. - http://pirates.vassar.edu
>
> Einstein@Home - eventual project to analyze the data from the LIGO gravational
> wave experiments... see Pirates@Home
>
> Astropulse - A different analysis of old Seti@Home data looking for other
> signal types... currently on development hiatus, but rumored to be starting
> up again soon.
>
> Climateprediction.net - Beta test of BOINC version due to commence sometime
> soon (a month or 2 ago, was said to be planned for July 2004). In ACTIVE
> development. Climate modeling to predict effects such as global warming...
> http://www.climateprediction.net
>
> Folding@Home - often (over last year or so) rumored to be working on a BOINC
> version, but I havent heard much about it of late. Protien folding.
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> I'm sure that I have missed some, but the point is that one has a choice NOW
> (and soon will have an even greater choice) of projects to run under BOINC.
> If one is out of work or otherwise down at the moment, there are other
> worthwhile projects that won't be. If, however, your interest is to ONLY run
> Seti@Home, you must be prepared for LONG stretches of no work available...
> The S@H staff at Berkeley long ago realized that they would not be able to
> keep up with demand for work units from just the Arecibo feed. On the
> S@H-Classic project, they chose to apply a band-aid of excessive redundant
> processing of work, effectively turning much of that project into 'busy-work'.
> They then designed BOINC as a more permenant solution to the problem. There
> just isn't enough S@H work to go around. This is why BOINC has
> 'multi-project' capability, and in fact is one of the MAIN reasons BOINC was
> developed in the first place.
>
> So, PLEASE, people, stop your whineing and get realistic. The
> Seti@home-Classic era is drawing to a close. If you want to run Seti@Home
> once the S@H-Classic project gets turned off (another month or two most
> likely, almost certainly by the end of the year), you will NEED to use the
> BOINC framework to do so. And, if you want to keep your computer(s) busy, you
> will need to run multiple projects. The S@H staff at Berkeley, and the other
> BOINC developers, have been hard at work over the last 1.5+ years...
> Designing and codeing BOINC. They deserve a big round of thanks, not the
> acidic whineing that some of you are giving them. Chill out, and be patient.
> ------------
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Thanks for the heads up about Pirates@Home I have joined that as well now although they have little work at present. The other projects don't use BOINC yet so I will see how things transpire.

BOINC is great and these are exciting times for science and distributed computing. I just wish people could get over their natural dislike of change and recognise this development for what it is...Ground Breaking...Exciting...Bloody Marvellous for Users and Science.

If some only want to contribute to SETI that's their right but they will have to put up with the fact that their comp will be idle some of the time even when things are running nominally.

Come on Guys and Gals, I am 51 years old and I can embrace new technologies and change. When I was in my teens they where selling the Sinclair Cambridge Calculator as a Kit to assemble yourself and it only + - * /. I held one of the first transistor radios ( bit like a small suitcase) I thought it was marvellous to get a Benkson Transistor radio when I was 14. It cost £4 19s 6d in 1966 and had all of 6 transistors. I thought that was amazing.

I only wish I could've contributed to all the underfunded science projects then, as you can today.

Wake Up To The Opportunities!


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Message 11231 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 11:02:23 UTC
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BOINC still sucks. It doesn't woprk well with SETI and MANY users are still unable to get WU.

I don't cARE if SETI classic repeats a lot of work. For me, that verification of the work of others AND my PC is still hunting aliens while you guys talk about how great this software is WHEN AND ONLY WHEN it's working.....which doesn't seem to be very f**king often, does it?

GET SETI CLASSIC and show these losers what you think of BOINC.


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Message 11238 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 11:15:05 UTC - in response to Message 11231.  

> BOINC still sucks. It doesn't woprk well with SETI and MANY users are still
> unable to get WU.
>
> I don't cARE if SETI classic repeats a lot of work. For me, that verification
> of the work of others AND my PC is still hunting aliens while you guys talk
> about how great this software is WHEN AND ONLY WHEN it's working.....which
> doesn't seem to be very f**king often, does it?
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> GET SETI CLASSIC and show these losers what you think of BOINC.
>
>
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>

With luck, when seti classic closes, you'll be so upset you'll kill yourself.


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Message 11248 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 11:38:52 UTC - in response to Message 11238.  

> > BOINC still sucks. It doesn't woprk well with SETI and MANY users are
> still
> > unable to get WU.
> >
> > I don't cARE if SETI classic repeats a lot of work. For me, that
> verification
> > of the work of others AND my PC is still hunting aliens while you guys
> talk
> > about how great this software is WHEN AND ONLY WHEN it's
> working.....which
> > doesn't seem to be very f**king often, does it?
> >
> > GET SETI CLASSIC and show these losers what you think of BOINC.
> >
> >
> > [url=http://www.brainsmashr.com]
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Message 11254 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 11:50:20 UTC
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With "LUCK" the folks at SETI will realize that closing SETI classic would be an even BIGGER mistake then trying to use BOINC.

Since I don't rely on luck, I'm campagining against BOINC. If it's a wasted effort in the end, so what....as long as I can get WU's processed, which I could NOT utilizing BOINC.

I'm a DEVOTED fan, and if you look at my comments from that perspective, then you just "might" understand. I'm not interested in this multi-project crap. My only interst is with SETI. The Search for Extraterriestrial Intelligence.

You guys call it complaining. I call it expressing my fear that you are screwing up a good thing.

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Message 11268 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 12:16:34 UTC
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Reinstalled BOINC, but SETI classic is ahead by 10 minutes already.

Hard to say if they are actually going to work together this time, but I'll be back home before classic finishes it's current WU.....and if BOINC actually get's a WU then I'll be slightly impressed.

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