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Message 2023178 - Posted: 15 Dec 2019, 1:02:19 UTC - in response to Message 2023176.  
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........can't wait for these comments........


OK here's one: That's a pretty positive ad... simple, effective, doesn't libel anyone, and as I noted before, historical precedent is that presidents with strong economies get re-elected.

I don't think that is what was expected though. ;^)
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Message 2023180 - Posted: 15 Dec 2019, 1:08:07 UTC

........can't wait for these comments........
Shouldn't it read, "Wanted Dead or Alive for the murders of Morals and Ethics in the U.S. and the bullying of small children" ?
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Message 2023183 - Posted: 15 Dec 2019, 1:30:47 UTC - in response to Message 2023178.  

........can't wait for these comments........


OK here's one: That's a pretty positive ad... simple, effective, doesn't libel anyone, and as I noted before, historical precedent is that presidents with strong economies get re-elected.

I don't think that is what you were expecting though. ;^)

You really don't know me and have no idea what I believe except that I am passionately Traditional Conservative.

I am pleased you are able to make a very discerning observation regarding the post and the thought behind it.

There is so much irrational and fervent hatred directed towards the President that I react strongly to it's expression, as I do to irrational and fervent hatred in general. The American Congress and a majority of it's citizens have forgotten the way our Country and our Republic came to be was through debate and COMPROMISE. There is always Quid and Quo in every social transaction between human beings.

Intractability is poisoning our relationships and destroying the productivity of our Legislature. Instead of doing the work of We The People, they have squandered 36 months of salary and irretrievable time in pursuit of deposing a legally elected head of state and preserving their power.

This will be addressed in November of 2020 by......We The People. There is a strong anti-incumbency movement on both sides of the fence. A lot of new faces will be in attendance in Congress starting in 2021, and maybe a new spirit of actually making a difference to the average American by working TOGETHER to solve the problems facing our society.

Enough 'Soap Box' here's another little tidbit...

House Democrat Is So Fed Up With Impeachment That He's Switching Parties
Chris Donaldson Posted December 14, 2019 in Politics , Source: politico, dailywire, cnbc

"With the formal vote to impeach President Trump set to go down this week, there are signs that some Democrats are reluctant to go down on Nancy Pelosi's ship of fools.

One of them is Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey who won his seat in last year's midterm elections and isn't going to sacrifice his career on the altar of Pelosi's hatred.
.....Van Drew has reportedly made the decision to switch parties in a move that has the potential to put a serious dent in Pelosi's impeachment dreams if any of the others in vulnerable districts wise up and get out."


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Message 2023184 - Posted: 15 Dec 2019, 2:35:28 UTC - in response to Message 2023176.  

........can't wait for these comments........

Fact , Manufacturing down 4 months in a row, trade wars?
Fact, credit card delinquencies over 90 days up, the retail bubble will burst as did the housing bubble and the dot com bubble.
Fact, farm bankruptcies are way up, trade wars?
Fact I hope you are well diversified with your Edward Jones accounts because they are going to take a major drop as mine will.
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Message 2023194 - Posted: 15 Dec 2019, 5:55:22 UTC - in response to Message 2023183.  

........can't wait for these comments........


OK here's one: That's a pretty positive ad... simple, effective, doesn't libel anyone, and as I noted before, historical precedent is that presidents with strong economies get re-elected.

I don't think that is what you were expecting though. ;^)

You really don't know me and have no idea what I believe except that I am passionately Traditional Conservative.

The American Congress and a majority of it's citizens have forgotten the way our Country and our Republic came to be was through debate and COMPROMISE.

Those two statements are at odds. A conservative does not believe in compromise. A centrist does.

There is always Quid and Quo in every social transaction between human beings.
There should not be extortion or bribery though, don't you agree?

Intractability is poisoning our relationships and destroying the productivity of our Legislature. Instead of doing the work of We The People, they have squandered 36 months of salary and irretrievable time in pursuit of deposing a legally elected head of state and preserving their power.
And the eight years that the GOP prevented any productivity while the former President was in office is ignored?
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Message 2023196 - Posted: 15 Dec 2019, 6:00:14 UTC

Trump's new executive order promotes white supremacy
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On Wednesday, US President Donald Trump signed an executive order which he says is meant to fight anti-Semitism on college campuses. The document extends Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination based on race, colour and national origin in programmes and organisations receiving federal funding, to include anti-Semitism.

The executive order uses the definition of anti-Semitism put forward by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which is opposed by its own author and includes in its examples:

"Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour."

Thus, it equates anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, targeting Palestinians and their anti-Zionist allies who accurately view Zionism as a racist, white supremacist and settler-colonialist enterprise. It also codifies the notion that Jewish self-determination is necessarily linked to Israel and justifies apartheid and genocide of the indigenous Palestinian people.

More broadly, however, the executive order is a step aimed at bolstering Trump's vision of the United States as a white supremacist ethno-state and is part of a pattern meant to split his opposition.

Trump's executive order exceptionalises Judaism by adding it to Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, constituting a dangerous precedent, which compounds religious with civil rights.

Accordingly, it could become a future model for suppression of civil liberties with so-called religious justifications, such as squashing reproductive rights for women or denying employment to people of the "wrong faith".

The equation of so-called religious with civil rights fits well with a goal of enacting a white supremacist patriarchal ethnostate supported by settler-colonial manifest destiny doctrine.

What's more, the notion Jews are somehow exceptional plays into the Machiavellian, prejudiced anti-Semitic perception of their community. By including anti-Semitism as defined by the IHRA into Title VI - which explicitly refers to discrimination by race, colour or national origin - the executive order implicitly delineates Judaism as a race or national identity, in line with the Zionist manifest destiny notion of Israel as the "Jewish homeland" and "Jewish state". The path from this erroneous conflation to anti-Semitic sentiments of "Jews go home" is short, direct and very traumatic.

Not surprisingly, Trump signed the executive order just days after his own vicious anti-Semitic tirade at the Israeli-American Council National Summit, in which he used "anti-Semitic stereotypes to characterise Jews as driven by money and insufficiently loyal to Israel".

Trump's presidency has already been plagued by a dramatic rise in anti-Semitic incidents, which involve harassment, vandalism and assault. In fact, 2017 and 2018 saw the second and third-highest number of recorded incidents in four decades.

This construction of Jews as a nationality or race with an inherent right to eliminate an indigenous population serves to model an American revisionist formulation of a victimised "white race" with "Christian values" and inherent, exclusive rights to land and resources.

Much like the US and all settler-colonial projects, Israel exploits a dynamic of aggression and trauma, reinforced by fear-mongering propaganda and the rewards of expansionism to promote a privileged ruling class at the expense of indigenous people, workers and other oppressed groups.

The executive order is designed to boost the effort to suppress advocacy for Palestinian human rights and targets the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement on university campuses, which has made significant gains in recent years.

It is also part of a pattern aimed at splintering Trump's opposition in the Democratic Party by luring the corporate-friendly centre into his xenophobic bosom, while isolating the progressive wing and playing into his large Christian Zionist base.

Several left-leaning, progressive Congress members and activists have been subjected to an ongoing harassment campaign for many months. These include Congresswomen Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who constitutes the single most serious threat to Trump in the 2020 elections.

Palestinian-American activist and Sanders supporter Linda Sarsour has been subjected to an especially virulent assault. Sanders' relationship with Sarsour has been repeatedly used to attack the senator, most recently in the extreme right outlet The Federalist.

Smear campaigns focused on so-called "anti-Semitism on the left" were spearheaded by liberal Zionists, picked up by corporate Democrats, and amplified by Republicans, all of whom are extremely threatened by the intersectional solidarity represented by the growing progressive grassroots movement and its rejection of patriarchal white supremacy.

Crucially, the campaign waged against Omar managed to distract from her original intention of addressing Israel's criminal behaviour toward Palestinians, producing instead a reactionary outpouring of Islamophobic and white supremacist hate, including threats to Omar's safety.

Reactionary politicians have long used a strategy of "divide and rule" as a means of holding onto the reins of power, while plundering the commons. Anti-Semitism is simply the current method of choice, as American Jews are split between reactionary Israeli/Zionist politics and a liberal identity, which affords them equal human rights.

American Jews are US citizens with full rights and obligations, while enjoying freedom to practise Judaism as a religion similar to all other religious groups. Defining Israel as a Jewish instead of a Zionist project and Judaism as a race or nationality immediately raises profoundly problematic issues of dual loyalty, and exposes American Jews to criticism, manipulation and potential abuse due to Israel’s reactionary agenda of apartheid and genocide of Palestinians.

Inclusion of anti-Semitism in Title VI is designed to continue an ongoing effort to suppress advocacy for Palestinian human rights by tarnishing Palestinian activism as a form of racism and Jewish allies as "self-hating", instead of viewing it as legitimate protest against injustices perpetrated by a state against an indigenous population.

Accusations of anti-Semitism, reminiscent of those employed against British Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, are intended to distract from ongoing corruption within the ruling class, marginalise anti-racist dissidents and critics, fragment cohesive anti-colonial resistance, and promote real anti-Semitism and right-wing politics.

In fact, intersectional, international working-class solidarity and the anti-racist human rights-based BDS movement are the single greatest political threat to reactionary politicians, as they represent precisely the opposite tactics to divide and rule.

To counter Trump's reactionary politics and racist agenda, it is necessary to take the initiative and attack the roots of white supremacy. Zionism, a reactionary, white supremacist, modern Western settler-colonialist movement, must be decoupled from Judaism and intersectional solidarity between various anti-racist struggles upheld.
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Message 2023197 - Posted: 15 Dec 2019, 6:10:04 UTC

Understand the Rump.
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"Honey, just rest, I'm doing the grocery shopping today." That's a sentence Sarah never heard from her partner. Certainly not before she was pregnant with their son, but still not even during her pregnancy, or when the little one was born. Her partner's world revolves around one person: himself.

A few months ago, Sarah ended the relationship. A relationship she now says that she herself probably would have advised every friend of hers to leave long ago. Sarah has been in therapy since the separation. The therapist confirmed her suspicion: she lived with a narcissist for five years.

"Narcissists are characterized by a lack of empathy," says Bärbel Wardetzki. She is a psychotherapist and author of several books on narcissism. Narcissistic people rarely listen, prefer to talk about themselves and have very little tolerance for opposition in conflict situations, says the expert.

That's exactly what Sarah first noticed. "He completely overreacted during small disagreements and said things like 'if you don't let this go now, then we're done' and I found that very strange and inappropriate." If she didn't verbalize her wishes and needs extremely clearly, she would be forgotten.

His self-confidence, his determination and his apparent fearlessness — that's what fascinated Sarah at first. He impressed her. Admiration is the life elixir of narcissists.

But it's not easy being the one who denies them admiration! "They can be overly aggressive when someone does something they don't like," says Wardetzki. Narcissists are either admired or intimidated. Instead of respecting and appreciating the people around them, they devalue them.

Despite these typical behaviors, the term narcissist is actually not so easy to define, says Wardetzki. But there's a big difference between being self-assured and being a narcissist.

"People who say 'I like myself' simply have good self-esteem. They also experience self-doubt, but are able to regulate their emotions and to comfort and support themselves. They know their abilities as well as their limits."

Pathological narcissism, on the other hand, stems from extremely low self-esteem, according to the psychotherapist. Deep self-doubt must be "compensated by the creation of an oversized self."

As is so often the case, this behavior starts in childhood. Narcissists are "emotionally neglected children," as Wardetzki says.

This neglect has two faces. "Either these children are enormously inflated and spoiled, or these children always feel that they are not good enough and that they are not really loved."

Some children can't even draw a simple line on a sheet of paper without their parents showering them with enthusiasm. On the flipside, some children are consistently put down.

The result is the same. Those who are constantly put on a pedestal and those that are persistently degraded don't feel seen or mirrored. A child who grows up in this way does not develop a healthy sense of self.

Sarah says her ex-partner's mother was "ice-cold, without emotions". As a child, her ex-partner was abandoned at a young age and was raised by his aunt. "His aunt was not a good person, she abused him a lot." He never met his father.

Sarah describes herself as a "caring person" who always wants to help and fix things for others. Her partner was her project. Someone she wanted to help overcome a difficult childhood and show what real love is.

"I imagined that if I could just keep up long enough, he'd realize that I was the right person for him," Sarah said.

That backfired. His refusal to meet her needs came to a head during pregnancy. "He didn't understand when I wasn't feeling well, and he didn't show any interest at all. I had the impression that it was just annoying and stressful for him".

As an expectant mother, she asked for more support. But it was in vain. So got angry. That's when he would react. "You always yell at me, so don't be surprised if I don't treat you well" was a common response.

"Because I didn't give him the recognition he thought he deserved, he also had affairs all the time," Sarah says. If one of his lies was uncovered, he denied everything and declared Sarah was crazy.

Dealing with narcissists takes a toll on one's self-esteem, says Bärbel Wardetzki. "In no time at all, they make you feel worthless and pitiful and no longer like the person you thought you were. It's important to take a stand and to not be intimidated."

By initiating a separation, Sarah decided to stand up for herself, and thus deprived the narcissistic man of his most reliable source of admiration.

"He doesn't think I mean it," Sarah says. Now he often embraces her and tells her that she and their little family are exactly what he needs. "I believe he needs it. But it'll never be enough, he isn't satisfied with what he has."

People with a narcissistic personality disorder are like a bottomless pit, says Wardetzki. "They don't have an inner understanding of their worth, and constantly seek external validation."

An extremely low self esteem demands endless recognition and admiration.

"He needs those women who love him. That doesn't change just because he realizes that he wants to have his family after all. The problem remains the same."
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Message 2023208 - Posted: 15 Dec 2019, 10:37:03 UTC - in response to Message 2023183.  

I am pleased you are able to make a very discerning observation regarding the post and the thought behind it.

There is so much irrational and fervent hatred directed towards the President that I react strongly to it's expression, as I do to irrational and fervent hatred in general. The American Congress and a majority of it's citizens have forgotten the way our Country and our Republic came to be was through debate and COMPROMISE. There is always Quid and Quo in every social transaction between human beings.


Thanks. :^) I do think that if people did listen to each other a bit more, and not just to conclusions because another person is in a certain political party or supports a certain politician, then it may be realized most of us are more politically complicated, nuanced, and yes, sometimes even in agreement, than those who seek profit and/or power off of dividing others would have us believe. Ironically, because of this partisanship and polarization, civil government is losing its civility.
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Message 2023226 - Posted: 15 Dec 2019, 14:32:44 UTC

Ironically, because of this partisanship and polarization, civil government is losing its civility.
I believe Civil government is what is causing the polarization. 'Divide and Conquer' like a steady diet of anything eventually becomes intolerable to those forced on the diet.

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Message 2023227 - Posted: 15 Dec 2019, 14:38:01 UTC

those awaited 'comments' , as expected, demonstrate that irrational hatred of the President pretty well.........

....Trump Derangement Syndrome exemplified.......

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Message 2023343 - Posted: 16 Dec 2019, 14:32:03 UTC

Has "The Donald" tweeted about this yet?
He said most of the problems in the world came from old people, mostly men, holding onto positions of power.
Women are "better" leaders than men
Debatable!
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Message 2023354 - Posted: 16 Dec 2019, 15:01:50 UTC - in response to Message 2023352.  

He either attended a séance or used an Ouija board. :-)
Could Obama be right?
Trump 73
Biden 77
Sanders 78
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Message 2023378 - Posted: 16 Dec 2019, 19:37:41 UTC
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On Sunday a new Fox News poll came out. There is nothing new or significant in the poll, it's in line with other published recently and the previous one by Fox News.

But that's a shock to Fox and Friends apparently, they either cannot believe or try to claim major increases for Trump, when they are actually within sampling errors. One comment,
“The Fox poll came out — and I was stunned by this,” Kilmeade said on “Fox and Friends.” “This says 50 percent of the country want the president impeached. I was stunned to see that that’s the number, because I thought that things were trending away.”
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50% want Trump to be impeached and removed from office. Another 4% want Trump to be impeached at least.
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Message 2023381 - Posted: 16 Dec 2019, 21:17:06 UTC

If half the country wants your criminal a$$, er Rump out, time to do the Nixon and have Pence save you from the gray bar.

Note: Mr. Narcissist, if you do the Nixon you get secret service protection for life and you get to build your Library. They bounce you off your Rump and that's it, no library, no legacy, nothing for anyone to remember you by.
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Message 2023392 - Posted: 16 Dec 2019, 22:39:35 UTC

They bounce you off your Rump and that's it, no library, no legacy, nothing for anyone to remember you by.


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Message 2023409 - Posted: 16 Dec 2019, 23:50:53 UTC

Devastating: Chris Wallace Grills, Dismantles Comey on IG Report
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Posted: Dec 16, 2019 10:25 AM
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".....it was a brutal performance by the Bureau's ex-chief, with Wallace holding his feet to the fire for 15 solid minutes."

As he tells it, the fact that he hasn't been frog-marched off to jail essentially justifies the claim -- even though Horowitz specifically said that his report does not exonerate anyone involved in the process, including Comey himself.

....To his partial credit, Comey concedes that his previous blithe and self-righteous assertions to the American people that the FISA application process was conducted in a "thoughtful and appropriate" manner were "wrong." But he chalked up the abuses to mere "mistakes" and "sloppiness,".....

........"It’s fair for people to look at all of these 17 events and wonder how it could be pure incompetence," Horowitz also said,......

Bizarrely, Comey disputes that there was any FBI misconduct in all of this, again chalking up the problems to sloppiness and errors.

....in addition to Horowitz's answers in item two above (all of those "mistakes" cut in the same direction), his report includes a criminal referral of an FBI agent who tampered with a document,.....

Pressed by Wallace, Comey has no response to how this aligns with his 'no misconduct' claim, muttering about how the situation remains unresolved. At another point in the discussion, Comey admits that the FISA court was "given false information by the FBI."

In what world does this not constitute misconduct?


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Message 2023419 - Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 1:11:15 UTC - in response to Message 2023380.  
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50% want Trump to be impeached and removed from office. Another 4% want Trump to be impeached at least.


I'm skeptical of internet polls... there are no controls ie to ensure a random sampling and avoid "poll crashing" where other sites send enough people to to the poll to deliberately skew it the opposite way it would go otherwise.

Was this an internet poll or a random sample poll where they contact the participants?
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