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Message 2051186 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 6:01:06 UTC

The US Second Amendment comes to mind. Till this day nobody understand what it really means:)


It Means: Don't Take from Me, what you don't want Taken from You.

It Means: What Laws I Follow, You Must Follow.

It Means: What Help; Safety; Protection I Recieve, You Must Also Recieve.

It Means: Health; Education; Jobs Available to All

It Means: Liberty and FrEEDOM to Pursue Happiness

It Means: A GUN in My Possesion and In Your Possesion May be FINAL and ONLY GUARANTEE of Above

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Message 2051189 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 6:52:14 UTC - in response to Message 2051186.  
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The US Second Amendment comes to mind. Till this day nobody understand what it really means:)


It Means: Don't Take from Me, what you don't want Taken from You.

It Means: What Laws I Follow, You Must Follow.

It Means: What Help; Safety; Protection I Recieve, You Must Also Recieve.

It Means: Health; Education; Jobs Available to All

It Means: Liberty and FrEEDOM to Pursue Happiness

It Means: A GUN in My Possesion and In Your Possesion May be FINAL and ONLY GUARANTEE of Above

RUBEWorld Gets It. YOU?

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Eh? No. It says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Meaning that a well regulated Militia have the right to bear arms but not all the people.
It doesn't say "A well regulated people, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Oh sorry. We are off topic.
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Message 2051197 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 10:05:12 UTC - in response to Message 2051153.  
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Most of us don't follow the beliefs of many in Europe of a Centralized Government of imperfect humans and some will be evil controlling everything.
But we do thank Europe, and their history, for teaching us what not to do.

The article, written by an American, is not about centralized government, the constitution, the separation of powers that would be superior anywhere in a European country than in the United States.
The American constitution is crisis-proof after almost 250 years. No European should and will ever want to give advice. That's why I wrote the article is very long, but worth reading.

The article is about people in power in several European countries in the 20th century, their biographies, their moral beliefs. And from top American politicians, senators in the Trump era. It tells of the creeping moral corruption that eventually leads many in power to act against their beliefs. And other companions who opposed, who got out. This required a drastic event for some, only an insignificant event for others that made them think and make a decision. It is about the poisoning power of lies when those lies come from the top of the government. Everyone sees the lie, thinks it doesn't affect him. But it forces ministers first, then senior government officials to follow lies, not facts. Absolute loyalty distinguishes believers from apostates. In Eastern / Central Europe, 40 years of propaganda and lies led to 99% accomplices and 1% dissidents. America will never become such an authoritarian dictatorship. But society and political culture are changing for the worse. There are methods at work that (Eastern) Europeans are familiar with.

It is this observation: what invisible force made the White House press secretary explain to the press that Donald Trump's inauguration was the one with the most participants of all time, against any rational reason, facts, photos, evidence? What compels wealthy, respectable Republican senators, MPs ... to betray their moral beliefs?

The American constitution provides for the impeachment mechanism. But these checks and balances only work if those responsible follow verifiable facts and evidence and act accordingly. It becomes ineffective if the impeachment becomes a question of loyalty. Loyalty, the negation of facts, lies from the highest levels of government question the effectiveness of the separation of powers.
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Message 2051199 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 12:24:20 UTC

No. I hear no bells. Magna Carta was written in 1215. The Great Reform Bill in 1832 and the Parliament Act was written in 1911. Meaning that the British constitution has been revised over the years. However the British constitution is still based on an unwritten constitution, which means that it is not codified in a uniform document.


"Not CODIFIED in a uniform document..........."

So, a handshake and a wink........is the basis for an entire society to build their world? That sounds suspiciously like the same deal PRC gave Hong Kong.....and we see what happens when the dragon tires of sleeping with the lamb......dinner.

As was pointed out, the US Constitution has had no less than 27 Amendments, clarifying some parts and removing others (slavery, 13th Amendment). So saying there has been no changes since it was written is not the case. And those who say the founders meant something different in their wording (2nd Amendment most prominently), have never read the Federalist Papers which explain in detail those thoughts as they are written by the same authors as the Constitution.

The Great Reform Bill and the Parliament Act are both century old documents themselves so to believe they are true reflections of modern thought should be as invalid as their same belief of the US Constitution.

And I agree with Mr McDuck..........

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Message 2051200 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 12:43:30 UTC

James Madison wrote in Federalist 46 the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment. It also supplies great insight into what is ACTUALLY occurring today in the streets of America under the false flag of a heinous murder and very eloquently sums it up in the final paragraph....
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed46.asp
"Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it. The argument under the present head may be put into a very concise form, which appears altogether conclusive. Either the mode in which the federal government is to be constructed will render it sufficiently dependent on the people, or it will not. On the first supposition, it will be restrained by that dependence from forming schemes obnoxious to their constituents. On the other supposition, it will not possess the confidence of the people, and its schemes of usurpation will be easily defeated by the State governments, who will be supported by the people. On summing up the considerations stated in this and the last paper, they seem to amount to the most convincing evidence, that the powers proposed to be lodged in the federal government are as little formidable to those reserved to the individual States, as they are indispensably necessary to accomplish the purposes of the Union; and that all those alarms which have been sounded, of a meditated and consequential annihilation of the State governments, must, on the most favorable interpretation, be ascribed to the chimerical fears of the authors of them.

PUBLIUS."


George Floyd deserves justice, and EACH case of abuse of authority should be confronted and corrected immediately and firmly. Riots and Looting are not constructive nor are they conducive to changing the thought processes of those opposed to the demonstrations.

“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers." -Dr Martin Luther King Jr


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Message 2051202 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 13:25:21 UTC - in response to Message 2051158.  

Europe still believes that Power will always be controlled non evil people. Or that Government's, for some inexplicable reason, knows what is best.
That is partly correct, e.g. for France - even more an absolutist kingdom today than a republic, limited for Spain, Italy ... but not for Germany, that most of its history was governed by decentralized administrations in a confederation, later a federal state. It did not help because the aristocratic influential class distrusted parliamentarians and an incompetent, doubting leader came to power, fearing that others would consider him weak (1914). It did not prevent all checks and balances of the federal constitution from being removed in a short time, under pressure from Nazi propaganda during the Great Depression (to unite and reassure a divided, angry society). But that's completely off topic.

Their non understanding that all power must be divided and our understanding of the evil's of government power. Is what has stopped the mass murdering and enslaving evils that permeated Europe within the lifetimes of many still alive from happening within the USA over the same lifetimes.

That's true. It took the British stiff upper lip to reject the offer of collaboration and the united Anglo-American economic and military force to destroy slavery and absolute evil. Off-topic ...

But the article is not about mass murdering and enslaving, but about much smarter, slower methods of changing societies and governments in Eastern / Central Europe under Soviet control. Hardly anyone was enslaved, very few were killed. Life just went on. Only everyone was insidiously restricted in their freedom, in expressing thoughts, facts, and truths. They adapt... and at some point it was accepted by everyone. It was only a collapsing economy (Soviet Union, Eastern Germany), patient grass-roots opposition from churches and dissidents and the decades-long influence of credible western (also american!) TV and radio that ended all of this.

one last insult:
George Orwell's dystopian novel "Nineteen Eighty-Four" was banned in the Eastern Bloc. It would have opened eyes. The concept of "Newspeak" described therein strongly reminds of Donald Trump's way of communication.
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Message 2051204 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 14:24:17 UTC - in response to Message 2051199.  

So, a handshake and a wink........is the basis for an entire society to build their world?
But that's what Trump believe in after wheeling and dealing. I think he has actually already wrote a book about it. Oh, The Art of the Deal, his second-favorite book after the Bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJm-E38G3-0
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Message 2051206 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 14:33:34 UTC

The concept of "Newspeak" described therein strongly reminds of Donald Trump's way of communication.

The concept of 'Newspeak' has long been a part of American politics, from Roosevelts 'New Deal' through the lies told about Viet Nam and the dominoes, and on to Obama's 'You didn't build that'.......

All sides coin words, phrases and lies to support their agenda du' jour.

Unfortunately the 'educational' system in America doesn't teach the value of sifting statements for the grains of truth and the chaff of lies they contain. That system has been turning out little automatons of uniform thought much as did the system of Mao.

Their mantra is 'Don't doubt, believe.'

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Message 2051212 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 15:47:32 UTC - in response to Message 2051206.  

[quote]... and on to Obama's 'You didn't build that'.......'
Fact check. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that
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Message 2051217 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 16:06:55 UTC - in response to Message 2051212.  

[quote]... and on to Obama's 'You didn't build that'.......'
Fact check. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that


DIRECT QUOTE from the text of the speech.....

"If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Specifically calls out 'your business'.

It's the same type of 'context manipulation' the media does DAILY to President Trump.

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Message 2051220 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 16:40:12 UTC - in response to Message 2051217.  
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... and on to Obama's 'You didn't build that'.......'
Fact check. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that


DIRECT QUOTE from the text of the speech.....

"If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Specifically calls out 'your business'.

It's the same type of 'context manipulation' the media does DAILY to President Trump.

Indeed, what games of context!

Exactly the same games as are being played out now in excusing Trump's infamous 'glory of violence' tweet. Just like the lie of the supposed Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times"? Where the 'interesting' can be either a good wish or a dire threat... Really, was Trump giving a forewarning? Or, as was first read in context, inciting violence with a violent threat?


The quote for Obama shows that the intended meaning is clearly:

... Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that [American system]. Somebody else [other people] made [all] that happen...

The bold shows the connected context. So yes, a system of cooperation building infrastructure indeed supports people to thrive. That is also far better and more productive than lies and civil war.


It's your USA...

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Message 2051222 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 16:54:20 UTC - in response to Message 2051220.  
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The quote for Obama shows that the intended meaning is clearly:

... Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that [American system]. Somebody else [other people] made [all] that happen...

The bold shows the connected context. So yes, a system of cooperation building infrastructure indeed supports people to thrive. That is also far better and more productive than lies and civil war.

I guess that style of speaking and eloquence is incompatible with the present USA politics of three-phrase propaganda:

'Mumble mumble random subject mumble, Trump is beautiful, Make Great America.'

(Add demented shouts and cheers depending on your taste.)


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Message 2051223 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 17:13:41 UTC - in response to Message 2051220.  

... Just like the lie of the supposed Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times"? Where the 'interesting' can be either a good wish or a dire threat...

And what aptly interesting connections we have in the ugly realms of politics:

Joseph Chamberlain
wrote:
Joseph Chamberlain (8 July 1836 – 2 July 1914) was a British statesman who was first a radical Liberal, then, after opposing home rule for Ireland, a Liberal Unionist, and eventually served as a leading imperialist in coalition with the Conservatives. He split both major British parties in the course of his career...



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Message 2051225 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 17:54:21 UTC

It is INTERESTING a DEFUNDING; REDUCTION; or COMPLETE REMOVAL of Police Departments will

Quickly CLARIFY Meaning of 2nd Amendment.

DEMOCRATS HATING 2A with EVERY FIBER of Their BEING will be 'HUSTLin' to Figure Out a Way

to SANCTIFY 2A as NEVER BEFORE.

FUNNY How THANGs Work Out.

RUBEWorld Lookin' fO HIGH PAID 'Work' from DEMs in FUTUREWorld of NOCoppers. aka DEMs goin' to
LOVE da RUBEs

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Message 2051242 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 21:31:19 UTC

It certainly doesn't take much to get that racist old #BunkerBoy enraged.

NFL decision to permit kneeling protest by players enrages Donald Trump.

And if that wasn't enough to bring the red out through the orange.

Protesters sue Trump and Barr over ousting from Lafayette Square.

But he should be feeling the love this weekend (if he isn't hiding in his bunker again).

Thousands descend on Washington for largest George Floyd protest yet.
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Message 2051243 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 21:47:36 UTC
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Scarily, Trump and the news surrounding him, has badly deflected from the Coronavirus news...


All an unfortunate coincidence, deliberate design, sad opportunism, or just dangerously deadly random incompetence?


Only in the USA?

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Message 2051245 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 21:59:47 UTC - in response to Message 2051243.  

Scarily, Trump and the news surrounding him, has badly deflected from the Coronavirus news...


All an unfortunate coincidence, deliberate design, sad opportunism, or just dangerously deadly random incompetence?


Only in the USA?

Since the latest truth uncovered by the right is that what happened in Minneapolis was just a film made by crises actors, they are sure is it a new world order conspiracy. ;-)
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Message 2051267 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 1:43:16 UTC
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This might be good for a groan or an ouch:

Trump's Make Space Great Again video pulled after former 'naut says: Nope


So... Trump's campaign tries to abuse exploit astronauts to boost his own 'beauty'...

Shame about good manners and good taste and a few rules getting ignored?...

Watching his performance at the SpaceX Demo-2 first launch attempt was painful to see him perform. Cringingly painful to see him so out of place and so badly out of his depth.

No way in heaven, hell, or anywhere does Trump compare within a million miles of astronauts.

Cue the silly giggles of 'Orange Helmet' in Spaceballs?... ("Brains in feet" could be the quote of the Orange Campaign?...)


All very silly.

All very sadly silly.

But what silliness next?


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Message 2051300 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 12:46:16 UTC

But what silliness next?


..............four more years of glorious WINNING!............

The abject stupidity of the Radical Left's positions are being put on full display with the latest low point of 'Defund the Police'..........really?

Does anyone really think that is a viable alternative? The looters and defacers of America would LOVE to see that come to pass, but............it will never happen. For the same reason that Donald J Trump will be re-elected by a firm margin on November 3rd. And the same reason the voices of nihilism will be removed from Congress on November 3rd.

We, The People..........are overall men and women who value the safety and sanctity of their families, homes and businesses. They've seen what happens when the 'Thin Blue Line' is removed from the equation, St John's Church set on fire, the World War II and Viet Nam Memorials vandalized, disrespecting those who died to protect the right to PEACEFULLY protest and the idea of personal FREEDOM.

We, The People........have seen men and women, murdered and beaten trying to defend their sources of income, not by the demonized police but by those calling for the removal of police.

We, The People.......have noted which cities have been chosen by the Radical Left organized and funded crowd managers driving the camouflage covering the looting and destruction, by the deflecting story that it's about George Floyd. And they are the very same cities self-designated as 'sanctuary cities'.....not much sanctity for the people who had their homes and businesses destroyed, mostly in minority communities as is the usual case(Baltimore, Ferguson, Watts).

What about David Dorn? Who weeps for this hero, also black and MURDERED by the thugs, looting in the night, that he had spent his 76 years combating under the cover of protest of a murder of a black man..........is that justice?

Where is Al Sharpton screaming for JUSTICE for David Dorn?.....................doesn't fit the narrative and little Al doesn't see a financial benefit.

The Radical Left wants to spur a governmental 'sea change' to placate their blind hatred of The President. Well there WILL be a sea change on November 3rd, and it will not be to the liking of those slimy little creatures that have been living under the swamp rocks for 70 years.

There will be very few Congressional incumbents in the 2022 campaign.....

And the police will still be out there, 'Serving and Protecting'...........because that's what they do.

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