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Message 2019819 - Posted: 20 Nov 2019, 21:55:58 UTC

The Republicans are very persistent in their attempts to put words into the moths of others. A technique that is also often used here by some posters.
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Message 2019832 - Posted: 20 Nov 2019, 23:10:01 UTC - in response to Message 2019791.  

GAME OVER!

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Message 2019834 - Posted: 20 Nov 2019, 23:13:57 UTC - in response to Message 2019832.  
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Message 2019839 - Posted: 20 Nov 2019, 23:47:26 UTC
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It's boils down to the same levels of greed and corruption in the end Clyde, just done in different ways, so in the end "where is the difference?".


It is beginning to appear the 'levels' are not so 'equal'........

https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/625831.html
KYIV. Nov 20, 2019 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Ukrainian members of parliament have demanded the presidents of Ukraine and the United States, Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump, investigate suspicions of the legalization of $7.4 billion by the “family” of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych through the American investment fund Franklin Templeton Investments, which they said has ties to the U.S. Democratic Party.

At a press conference at the Interfax-Ukraine agency on Wednesday, MP Andriy Derkach announced that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists about international corruption and the participation of Ukrainian officials in it.

“Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General’s Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion,” Derkach said.

With reference to the investigation, he emphasized: it was money criminally obtained by the “family” of Yanukovychand invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013-2014.

For his part, MP Oleksandr Dubinsky from the Servant of the People faction said that according to investigators, “the Yanukovych ‘family’ illegally obtained $7.4 billion and laundered the funds through an investment fund close to some representatives of the U.S. Democratic Party in the form of external government loan bonds.”

Meanwhile, Derkach said that several facts indicate Franklin Templeton Investments’ relationship with the U.S. Democratic Party.

“The son of Templeton’s founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama’s major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama’s national security advisor,”Derkach said.

The MP said that the presidents of Ukraine and the United States should combine the efforts of the two countries to establish facts of corruption and money laundering with the participation of citizens of both countries.

Derkach also announced the amount of money transferred to representatives of the Burisma Group, including Hunter Biden. According to documents, in general, in favor of Hunter Biden, Alexander Kwasniewski, Alan Apter and Devon Archer, Burisma paid about $16.5 million.

According to Derkach, ex-Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin repeatedly appealed to the NABU Director Artem Sytnyk in the framework of criminal proceedings for Burisma, but constantly received formal responses. The activities of Shokin, according to the MP, irritated then U.S. Vice President Joe Biden during his fifth visit to Kyiv in two years. The visit on December 7-8, 2015, was devoted to solving the issue of Shokin’s resignation for the affairs of Zlochevsky and Burisma, he said.

“The subject of pressure was the $1 billion credit guarantee that the United States should have provided to Ukraine: Biden himself acknowledged the pressure in his speech to the U.S. Foreign Relations Council in January 2018,” Derkach said.


And for the clincher: also on Wednesday, we were reminded of a very important Treaty between the US and Ukraine, signed by none other than Bill Clinton in 1999. This basically tells the world that there’s no reason for the Democrats to be pushing ahead with the impeachment hearings. Why? The US and Ukraine treaty allows for the two countries to work together on criminal matters. Dig on that one, corrupt media suckers. Enjoy the show.

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Hmmm........Quid Pro Quo swinging back the other way?

By the way....Quid Pro Quo would be a very good definition of the term "Diplomacy".

Careful what you try to prosecute Dims.........you may find yourselves on the receiving end.......Can't WAIT for the I.G. report and the Attorney General's subsequent actions.

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Message 2019840 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 0:16:52 UTC - in response to Message 2019839.  

Yes. Ukraine is a very corrupt country.
Trump knows that and he was trying to use that for his own benefits. Simple as that!
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Message 2019842 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 0:19:38 UTC - in response to Message 2019841.  

Yes. A Tjuga as we call it.
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6gaffel

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Message 2019854 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 1:08:28 UTC - in response to Message 2019836.  

Did you watch the testimony, as I did. Or are you relying upon the "spin" by Fox, or CNN or other outlets?

Clyde, neither I listen to it on NPR.
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Message 2019856 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 1:26:15 UTC

It sounded good. Several Republicans were critical that Ambassador Sondland did not produce any documentary evidence.

There is just one slight flaw in that argument. The White House and other Trump appointees have refused to release the documents.
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Message 2019862 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 2:11:01 UTC - in response to Message 2019856.  

It sounded good. Several Republicans were critical that Ambassador Sondland did not produce any documentary evidence.

There is just one slight flaw in that argument. The White House and other Trump appointees have refused to release the documents.

Yep
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Message 2019876 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 5:51:17 UTC - in response to Message 2019862.  

It sounded good. Several Republicans were critical that Ambassador Sondland did not produce any documentary evidence.

There is just one slight flaw in that argument. The White House and other Trump appointees have refused to release the documents.

Yep

+charge of obstruction of Congress
and remember Nixon had to hand over his documents.
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Message 2019880 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 5:58:23 UTC - in response to Message 2019836.  

Did you watch the testimony, as I did. Or are you relying upon the "spin" by Fox, or CNN or other outlets?

I think you will find all of it here.
https://www.c-span.org/impeachment/
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Message 2019886 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 6:47:08 UTC - in response to Message 2019880.  

Did you watch the testimony, as I did. Or are you relying upon the "spin" by Fox, or CNN or other outlets?
I think you will find all of it here.
https://www.c-span.org/impeachment/
It maybe that he did actually watch it, but it's also very possible that it wasn't properly comprehended.
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Message 2019889 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 7:24:45 UTC

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Message 2019891 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 8:11:39 UTC - in response to Message 2019880.  

Did you watch the testimony, as I did. Or are you relying upon the "spin" by Fox, or CNN or other outlets?

I think you will find all of it here.
https://www.c-span.org/impeachment/

And repeated on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkN4P7R5stE
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Message 2019905 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 13:02:30 UTC - in response to Message 2019857.  

Yes. Ukraine is a very corrupt country.
Trump knows that and he was trying to use that for his own benefits. Simple as that!
And a Democrat Vice President's family. Who is now a candidate for the Democrat Party's nomination for President :-D
Many want a piece of the cake. But Hunter Biden is not running for office. It's his father Joe.
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Message 2019935 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 18:58:38 UTC - in response to Message 2019932.  

$50,000 per month with no experience and his father was Vice President?
Yes, all was just a coincidence!
But in Eastern Europe and elsewhere in the world it's fairly common for well-known public figures to be given well-paid positions to improve the public image of a controversial company.
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Message 2019936 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 19:06:40 UTC - in response to Message 2019935.  

$50,000 per month with no experience and his father was Vice President?
Yes, all was just a coincidence!
But in Eastern Europe and elsewhere in the world it's fairly common for well-known public figures to be given well-paid positions to improve the public image of a controversial company.

Is that like getting a bank to loan you $70million to build a building and you have no experience?
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Message 2019941 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 19:10:40 UTC - in response to Message 2019936.  

Does the term "Figurhead" mean anything anymore?

Meanwhile...
The "Black Ledger".
US diplomat in Ukraine David Holmes has testified that the so-called black ledger, which documents corruption in Ukraine, is "credible".
The "black ledger" emerged in Ukraine during the US presidential campaign and appeared to show that Trump's now jailed former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, received undeclared payments from a Ukrainian pro-Russian political party.
Some Trump supporters have argued the document must be fake, and was deliberately put out by Ukrainian journalist-turned-politician, Sergei Leschenko, who hates Trump.
In the more than three years since the "Black Ledger" emerged, no-one has managed to cast serious doubt on its contents.
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s office did not introduce the black ledger at Manafort’s trial.
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Message 2019947 - Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 19:20:13 UTC - in response to Message 2019945.  

Does the term "Figurhead" mean anything anymore?

Who are you speaking of?
It cannot be the then Vice-President Joe Biden who made many, many trips to the Ukraine while, as the media reported in my post:
Joe Biden, oversaw policy regarding the Eastern European nation.

Since Joe Biden was not a "figurehead". Who are you referencing?
Comprehension 101.
But in Eastern Europe and elsewhere in the world it's fairly common for well-known public figure(heads) to be given well-paid positions to improve the public image of a controversial company.
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