Under your project preferences you can set a "Resource share" for that project.

Mine is set as 100 for SETI and 0 for my backups projects so those backup projects only get asked for work when I have no SETI work for a certain resource.

Cheers.

. . But what if the alternate projects floods your caches with their work and you cannot get new work for the primary project when it becomes available? My issues in changing back from E@H were the need to set NNT and wait for the cache to process through or abort them to get back to SETI. Can this be avoided?

Stephen

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My backup projects are only allowed to pickup half a day's worth of cache at anytime.

Cheers.

Never could get that to work correctly. I assume you are using alternate venue locations for the backup projects?

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)

Under your project preferences you can set a "Resource share" for that project.

Mine is set as 100 for SETI and 0 for my backups projects so those backup projects only get asked for work when I have no SETI work for a certain resource.

Cheers.

. . But what if the alternate projects floods your caches with their work and you cannot get new work for the primary project when it becomes available? My issues in changing back from E@H were the need to set NNT and wait for the cache to process through or abort them to get back to SETI. Can this be avoided?

Stephen

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My backup projects are only allowed to pickup half a day's worth of cache at anytime.

Cheers.

Never could get that to work correctly. I assume you are using alternate venue locations for the backup projects?

Yes I do.

Backup projects just use the General venue settings while here at SETI they each rig uses totally different venue setting.

Cheers.

How can you say that we aren't seeing neglect when the last Technical News post from staff was from almost 1 year ago.

. . OK, lack of feedback may constitute neglect of us minions but not necessarily neglect of the project. The guys running things have other duties/obligations and are very busy I am sure. I am also sure you do not really begrudge them a private/family life. If the powers that be (and I doubt we will see this under the current administration) deem that the pursuit of science is worthy of greater resources then things may improve and the luxury of a greater level of feedback may come about. But as has been said, despite the lack of a response I am sure even DA himself is aware of many of the sentiments expressed in these forums, and I know that the others definitely are. Kitty man boasts of how he pesters them, err keeps them informed. Sometimes a little more information would be a nice thing though :)

If you read my profile dissertation, you will see the reasons for my interest in MilkyWay and Einstein. Basically . . .

. . I am sure they are good projects and I hope they get the suport they need. But my heart is here in SETI. Though I am happy to allocate my resources to E@H for the times when/if things go belly up here and the work dries up.

Stephen

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Under your project preferences you can set a "Resource share" for that project.

Mine is set as 100 for SETI and 0 for my backups projects so those backup projects only get asked for work when I have no SETI work for a certain resource.

Cheers.

. . But what if the alternate projects floods your caches with their work and you cannot get new work for the primary project when it becomes available? My issues in changing back from E@H were the need to set NNT and wait for the cache to process through or abort them to get back to SETI. Can this be avoided?

Stephen

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My backup projects are only allowed to pickup half a day's worth of cache at anytime.

Cheers.

. . Ironically I thought of that after typing my message, when I began contemplating setting different preferences for each project :) So far I had been loathe to change any settings lest they interfere with the SETI configuration, but now I will have a play.

Stephen

:)

. . But what if the alternate projects floods your caches with their work and you cannot get new work for the primary project when it becomes available? My issues in changing back from E@H were the need to set NNT and wait for the cache to process through or abort them to get back to SETI. Can this be avoided?

Stephen

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Unfortunately, that seems to be an issue with Einstein sending too much work when it has low resource settings. If you set the project up with even a moderate share of resource slice, then it will eventually settle down and you won't get overfilled. That mostly has to do with how BOINC works. You have to do a little bit of monitoring now to keep that from happening with low resource share and some NNT periods. For a while when they had BRP4G work flowing, I got around that by limiting how much drive space BOINC was allowed because the BRP4G tasks were so large. It would prevent too much work from being downloaded. But that work is gone and now we are onto Gamma Ray Pulsar Binary detection and those tasks take up very little drive space and the trick I used on BRP4G doesn't work now. MilkyWay has never been a problem because they have a hard 80 task limit per GPU at any time so it's impossible to get too much work.

. . Thanks for that Keith.

Stephen

:)

I believe that if you set a project weight to 0 that you only get one WU at a time, or at least, it used to be that way when I did run backups when SETI provided no work. The problem with that is that you have no pool of work for the backup project when the backup has a problem. OTOH you don't get involved with BOINC's management of project shares, so that's a BIG plus IMHO.

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Backup projects just use the General venue settings while here at SETI they each rig uses totally different venue setting.

Cheers.

Probably why I could never get that to work correctly before. I always had it reversed. SETI with General settings and backup projects on venue settings. I will definitely try your setup out. That would put Einstein back into no maintenance mode. Not that it is hard to limit work now with the short task request interval of 1 minute. A couple of minutes of downloads and I have enough work for each machine for a week before looking at it again. With the weekly outage here at SETI that takes 1-2 days to recover on my fast systems, Einstein primarily holds down the fort in the meantime. Definitely has increased my BOINC RAC lately which is welcome.

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

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I believe that if you set a project weight to 0 that you only get one WU at a time, or at least, it used to be that way when I did run backups when SETI provided no work. The problem with that is that you have no pool of work for the backup project when the backup has a problem. OTOH you don't get involved with BOINC's management of project shares, so that's a BIG plus IMHO.

That's the way it works for me.

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Mark you did come on a bit strong. As you have often stated anybody who crunches anything is doing good for the project. At least be consistent with what you post.

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Mark, you are likely "in your cups" so I will forgive the vulgarities. I guess you didn't connect the Seinfeld reference. My intent was not to personally insult. Just to state I have every right to an opinion as do you. It is obvious from your posts that you are passionate about the project and feel that you must defend any subjective slight in your opinion. I too am passionate about the project, I just think I don't have such big "blinders" on and can acknowledge the current projects state of shortcomings. Doesn't mean I think the project has no value. I do. But to say that if I am not as 100% behind the project as you, and that I should leave .... well that is an insult in my opinion. I will continue to crunch for SETI as long as my computers are capable. May not be for such a large percentage share in the future is all that I am saying. My opinions are as valid as yours. We should try to acknowledge that differences in opinion should not come to physical blows or personal attacks online. We should strive to have civil discourse in person and online at all times. I would never cuss out anyone online, just isn't proper internet etiquette. I would find it very hard to do in person also. Just not the way I was raised.

Have a great and wonderful day.

Cheers, Keith

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)

Yes, I understand.
Nobody is as committed or should be committed to the project as much as I am.
Few others sit on the couch and monitor the boards 24/7/365.
I do at times.

You who understand know that I have little else in my life going on that I can at times commit that much time and devotion to this project.

I do go astray, and pretend that I am the only one.
I know that I am not./
Please forgive my overzealous nature.
It is just me, trying to express my love for the project.

I truly mean no harm nor disrespect to anybody.

We are one, we are kitty.
We are all Seti.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Yes, I understand.
Nobody is as committed or should be committed to the project as much as I am.
Few others sit on the couch and monitor the boards 24/7/365.
I do at times.

You who understand know that I have little else in my life going on that I can at times commit that much time and devotion to this project.

I do go astray, and pretend that I am the only one.
I know that I am not./
Please forgive my overzealous nature.
It is just me, trying to express my love for the project.

I truly mean no harm nor disrespect to anybody..

I know you don't.

I will readily admit I am not currently in the best spirits and that is reflected in my grievances. In constant pain now with a fractured left knee that I will have to endure for two months until surgery. So nothing but time on my hands to sit in front of the computer and gripe.

We are one, we are kitty.
We are all Seti.

Amen

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)

Thank you for trying to understand me.
And, why do I meow after most of my posts?
Just my inner kitty coming out.

Meow.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

. . But what if the alternate projects floods your caches with their work and you cannot get new work for the primary project when it becomes available? My issues in changing back from E@H were the need to set NNT and wait for the cache to process through or abort them to get back to SETI. Can this be avoided?

Stephen

??

My backup projects are only allowed to pickup half a day's worth of cache at anytime.

Cheers.

Never could get that to work correctly. I assume you are using alternate venue locations for the backup projects?

Yes I do.

Backup projects just use the General venue settings while here at SETI they each rig uses totally different venue setting.

Cheers.

. . Sadly I am like Keith. The only preferences I can find are for BOINC itself and apply to all projects. As for changing the location to set them differently then both Seti and Einstein will be affected by those settings on that machine. Or so it seems here.

Stephen

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Thank you for trying to understand me.
And, why do I meow after most of my posts?
Just my inner kitty coming out.

Meow.

. . Anyone who loves cats can't be all bad :) ....

Stephen

:)

. . Sadly I am like Keith. The only preferences I can find are for BOINC itself and apply to all projects. As for changing the location to set them differently then both Seti and Einstein will be affected by those settings on that machine. Or so it seems here.

Stephen

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This was the issue I was running into. Setting BOINC preferences under no location or General gets reflected across all projects. So my approach of trying to minimize cache pulls on my backup projects with different venues had no effect. They were overridden by my SETI preferences. I think the trick here might be what Wiggo suggested and that was to set minimal day cache pulls in General or no location first. The 1/2 day sounds about right. Then override that low day cache pull on a Home or School venue location for SETI and set it for 4 days. I think for some reason that BOINC won't let you downsize the General day cache setting but WILL let you upsize the day cache setting for the alternate venues. I have yet to try this but if Wiggo says it works for him, I believe him. And always set your Additional days work request to a very small value like 0.1 so that it forces BOINC to connect constantly and get work.

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)

Thank you for trying to understand me.
And, why do I meow after most of my posts?
Just my inner kitty coming out.

Meow.

. . Anyone who loves cats can't be all bad :) ....

Stephen

:)

Thank you! :) My 3 cats know I love them dearly.

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)

Stephen and others struggling to find the place to set up your project options:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project

These options are for Seti only, not across all projects, you can set three "venues", or use the default sadly there is no way to re-title the names from "home", "work", "school" to something more usable/understandable/less confusing). There are similar pages for all the projects I've looked at, setting a project resource share to zero will mean that project will only get tasks when all your non-zero resource projects have no tasks to run.. (There are a couple of projects that won't let you set their share to zero, and that really is not playing the game)

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

We are one, we are kitty.
We are all Seti.

Amen

+1

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We are one, we are kitty.
We are all Seti.

Amen

+1

............meow.

I'm glad you both got that out of your systems........I thought I'd been misdirected to the Politics Forum..........

again...........meow.

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