I agree. Bobby is never "right".
It seems that the "right" is populated by shallow "thinkists", who have a mastery of the sound bite, but are still working on mastery of language and logic.
Bobby's arguments and rebuttals are intricate tapestries of ideas and concepts that lean more towards communication, rather than indoctrination.
But if Kellyanne Conway tells you to put your microwave in a closet, don't let me stop you.

Liberal logic: Who cares about the currency reset we're heading towards--that' doesn't matter. As long as we can keep spending as much money as we want today, that's all that matters, right?

tRump is the man to do the reset! No tax and spend like a drunken sailor.

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First, bankrate.com has the wrong information, check the IRS website. Read carefully page 7. Note that the differences are tax fraud.
Second, it doesn't matter who your preparer is, if you don't have deductions, you don't have deductions, or are you suggesting tax fraud? I suppose that is a very republican thing, lie, cheat, steal, perjure.

And your posted link leads nowhere

Can't account for people who don't have .pdf software in their browser. Page 7 after you get it installed.

Here are other sites that basically state the same brackets as Bankrate.

Tax law isn't basically the same. Either you are right or you are wrong. Your first link is different than bankrate. If you can't see the difference, see the eye doctor.

plan financially to minimize your tax liability

lie, cheat, steal, perjure.

That or you really don't understand the tax code at all. If you get it in an ordinary paycheck, there is no planing, you are screwed. Now if you get it in deferred stock options, then you can plan! If you own the company paying it, then you can do all manner of crazy tax deferred retirement strategies, but if you are just a working stiff, you get screwed!

Heck eye, get that .pdf software installed and grab a 1040 off the IRS website. Working stiff puts that paycheck on line 7. The only things a working stiff can take out of that number are on lines 23 through 35. Read those descriptions. That's tax avoidance for the working stiff. The result goes on lies 37 and 38 on page 2. Now you might think line 40 deductions is a panacea. Well, to use line 40 you had to spend the money first, but if you had a doctor bill, we will call that necessary. However, look down to line 45 Alternative Minimum Tax. I'll let you read those instructions, but they are essentially throw away line 40 and pay 28% of line 38. Working stiffs get screwed!

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You keep parroting: Tax the rich! Tax the rich! SQUAWK!

No conservatives say that. Only conservatives.

Everyone else says: "Tax those that can pay."

Now tell me how are you going to get taxes out of someone who can't pay? Once you can explain that, then we can have a discussion.

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I never said I was in the 35% tax bracket. I said I paid 35% tax. there's more taxes than just federal.

As the context of the thread at that point was the Federal Tax return of President Trump that is the context with which I responded to your assertion average citizens paid 35% in taxes(income taxes being assumed). There is no doubt that some are paying 35% when including fuel, food, state and local sales tax and hidden taxes in most everything. And no there is no way to avoid much of that taxation (avoid not evade, big difference), without going totally off the grid.

No, I think the context has always been about the rich paying a smaller percentage than everyone else despite being the one group that can afford to pay more. It was said a while back that Warren Buffett pays at little as 13% on his taxes but his administrative assistant paid close to 30%. Now, you can argue whether she's stupid for paying that much or not, or whether she deserves to pay that much in taxes due to her own income levels, but the bigger picture is that this seems to be a "normal" occurrence here in the US. The taxes burden those who can't afford it more than it burdens those who can.

Now, you can argue whether she's stupid for paying that much or not, or whether she deserves to pay that much in taxes due to her own income levels, but the bigger picture is that this seems to be a "normal" occurrence here in the US. The taxes burden those who can't afford it more than it burdens those who can.

You are trying to take both sides.........does Buffet not pay sales tax along with all the 'little people'(no offense intended to Midgets, Dwarfs, Elves, Gnomes or Fairies before someone complains to the Mods)? How much do you suppose Trump paid in taxes on jet fuel? How about property taxes (unless bargained away by the 'greedy' States, Counties and Municipalities in return for doing the development(('art of the deal' you know)). And by the way Mr Buffet famously made that statement that he doesn't pay enough taxes so the question becomes: Why doesn't he VOLUNTARILY pay more? There is a box on the 1040(and yes Gary, I am WELL acquainted with the IRS forms having done my own taxes for half a century) he could check and pay as much additional tax as he wished.

Perhaps some feel that a great portion of the 'fair share' is squandered by the Feds(a point proven over and over with the annual Golden Fleece awards), or devoted to programs than only help the minions of the power du jour(Solyndra is one shining example). Maybe tax reform should be an expansion of the 1040 to include check boxes designating an either/or distribution of each taxpayers remission. That way each could support NPR rather than feeding the poor, or funding abortion rather than housing and energy assistance. There are tough choices to be made and cutting the Civil Service by about half would be a good start. Not those in the trenches actually doing the work but the rather the 3 clipboard carriers each that are 'supervising' the workers.

Cut the fat and there would be lower taxes required of everyone.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

what about hobbits?

Why doesn't he VOLUNTARILY pay more? There is a box on the 1040(and yes Gary, I am WELL acquainted with the IRS forms having done my own taxes for half a century) he could check and pay as much additional tax as he wished.

There isn't any such box, which puts the lie to everything you say.
<ed>https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

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Explain to me how someone can have income and not be able to pay.

Below taxable thresholds?

Explain to me how someone can have income and not be able to pay.

Are you admitting you have never completed a 1040 or that it is too complicated for you?

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There isn't any such box, which puts the lie to everything you say.

You're right(sorry no reflection on your political leanings), there is no box to check if you want to pay additional taxes voluntarily.

Which does not explain why Warren doesn't just write a check for a few $Billion to the IRS to make up for the low tax rate he is required to pay. And why does Buffet allow his tax accountants to take deductions that lower his 'fair share'? If he feels so under taxed why not just take the figure of his gross income, multiply by 42% (or whatever he feels is fair) and send that amount in as his tax? If he can't pay additional tax to the Federal Government for what ever reason he should donate the additional amount to support the poor and downtrodden he claims to hold dear.

Ozz and you are correct in that it's the rich against the poor.............however the rich include names like Clinton, Bloomberg, Buffet, Gates, Cuban and Soros not just Trump. Since the Left mantra has been 'No one can amass wealth honestly', is the foundation the Left Billionaires built on dishonest dealings as well?

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

There isn't any such box, which puts the lie to everything you say.

You're right(sorry no reflection on your political leanings), there is no box to check if you want to pay additional taxes voluntarily.

Which does not explain why Warren doesn't just write a check for a few $Billion to the IRS to make up for the low tax rate he is required to pay. And why does Buffet allow his tax accountants to take deductions that lower his 'fair share'? If he feels so under taxed why not just take the figure of his gross income, multiply by 42% (or whatever he feels is fair) and send that amount in as his tax? If he can't pay additional tax to the Federal Government for what ever reason he should donate the additional amount to support the poor and downtrodden he claims to hold dear.

Ozz and you are correct in that it's the rich against the poor.............however the rich include names like Clinton, Bloomberg, Buffet, Gates, Cuban and Soros not just Trump. Since the Left mantra has been 'No one can amass wealth honestly', is the foundation the Left Billionaires built on dishonest dealings as well?

Buffet has said in the past, that trying to decrease your tax burden is a waste of time.
IF you are a good business person, the compounding of investment gains will outstrip tax payments every day.

edit]Are you sure Clinton(s) should be in that list, he is only worth about 30 million.

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Explain to me how someone can have income and not be able to pay.

You do realize the kind of wages some people have to [try to] live off of, right?

You do realize that there are state and local taxes and fees, right?

Maybe those at the bottom could feed their kids cat food instead of the processed $hit they are already forced to, and then they could take that extra $1.50 USD and pay another percentage point of their income into taxes they can't afford? Would that make you happy?

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#resist

You keep parroting: Tax the rich! Tax the rich! SQUAWK!

No conservatives say that. Only conservatives.

Everyone else says: "Tax those that can pay."

Now tell me how are you going to get taxes out of someone who can't pay? Once you can explain that, then we can have a discussion.

Explain to me how someone can have income and not be able to pay.

?? pay what?? food on the table?

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"A reasonable person's sensible commentary on the political environment"

Could you please explain that statement a bit more. because to me;
A reasonable person - probably not, has edited his own blogs multiple times when he changes his "mind", then deletes them when they no longer stay on track.
sensible commentary - there never has been anything sensible about this person. A so called games designer for the sinclair, whose "company" did a spectacular implosion. About which, like Trump, he claims was all the fault of others, never himself.
political environment - he wouldn't know a "political environment" even if it bit him on his a___.

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There isn't any such box, which puts the lie to everything you say.

You're right(sorry no reflection on your political leanings), there is no box to check if you want to pay additional taxes voluntarily.

Which does not explain why Warren doesn't just write a check for a few $Billion to the IRS to make up for the low tax rate he is required to pay. And why does Buffet allow his tax accountants to take deductions that lower his 'fair share'? If he feels so under taxed why not just take the figure of his gross income, multiply by 42% (or whatever he feels is fair) and send that amount in as his tax? If he can't pay additional tax to the Federal Government for what ever reason he should donate the additional amount to support the poor and downtrodden he claims to hold dear.

Ozz and you are correct in that it's the rich against the poor.............however the rich include names like Clinton, Bloomberg, Buffet, Gates, Cuban and Soros not just Trump. Since the Left mantra has been 'No one can amass wealth honestly', is the foundation the Left Billionaires built on dishonest dealings as well?

Wow you just make stuff up and admit it just to reinforce your biased views of the world. Have you no integrity or shame?

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Have you no integrity or shame?

'bout the same amount as you do Mr Holier than Thou...............

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