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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30702 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://abc7.com/5-dead-several-injured-in-shooting-at-newspaper-office-in-annapolis/3670253/ ANNAPOLIS, Md. -- |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19114 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
It wont stop until the Laws are changed and the guns are out of the hands of those who don't need them.. You are trying to complicate the discussion again. It has been noted by me and others, that nobody is saying the 2nd has to be repealed. What we are saying that there needs to be better control of firearms. Suggestions made here include; #1. Better checking of persons who wish to purchase firearms, including a health check for mental health issues. #2. All sales to be conducted by registered dealers. No sales of spare parts, all repairs modifications to be done by registered workshops. No gun fairs or person to person sales. #3. Registration of all firearms. #4. Security of firearms and ammunition. When not in use, locked in approved safety enclosures with firearms and ammunition stored separately. When carried to be done safely, not just stuck under waistband, in pocket or purse or in glove compartment or boot (trunk). i.e. Make sure children and others who shouldn't have access don't. #5. All those that already own firearms and wish to keep them register them, within a reasonably time frame. Nobody is saying it has to be done tomorrow, and it needs to be federal administered registration database(s). |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19114 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
#1. Better checking of persons who wish to purchase firearms, including a health check for mental health issues. Freedom only works when everybody has the self-discipline to treat others as they would like to be treated. An example would be that speed limits would not be needed if everyone drove at the speed dictated by the prevailing conditions. That's never going to happen, therefore we have to accept laws that we don't like. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30702 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
#2. All sales to be conducted by registered dealers. No sales of spare parts, all repairs modifications to be done by registered workshops. No gun fairs or person to person sales. Actually if you have #3, then you can have a gun fair. All that need be done is have a registering agent onsite. As to person to person sales, right now that is possible even for full auto weapons. It just has to pass through a dealers hands for the paperwork and tax stamp. Self built firearms also need to get registered. Require them to have a makers mark and a S/N on them and the maker needs some paperwork documentation of every firearm he makes. Give the maker a short but reasonable time period to register the firearm. I'd actually like to see a requirement for automatic of any degree weapons to be treated as we now treat full automatic weapons. Buy a tax stamp. That doesn't happen without a visit by ATF, at least for the first weapon. Each weapon is registered and local authorities are informed. As to possession of an unregistered firearm for the first time, not a slap on the wrist but not a free ride*. Second time, it has to hurt and you won't be owning any after legally. Third time, well, three strikes and you are out. Use an unregistered firearm in another crime, some significant hurt. Do it twice and gibbeting, well, maybe we give them a 6 by 8 cage, but it is welded closed, no lock. Trading in unregistered firearms, that's three strikes at once, weld the door shut. Obviously using a registered firearm in another crime has to hurt too, perhaps just a hair less as that shows a little less pure criminal intent because it is traceable, er, maybe a couple mandatory extra consecutive years over the rest of the sentence for unregistered. Say just having any firearm on you while doing another crime adds a couple years, displaying or brandishing the firearm gets you an extra five, pointing it at someone - ADW - an extra ten, discharging it an extra 25 consecutive with the other sentence(s). Now that unregistered firearms are illegal, we can solve person to person sales. If you have it and it isn't registered to you then either it is stolen and you are guilty of the theft** or you are involved in the trade of unregistered firearms, and so is the person it was registered to. No one will dare not handle person to person except through a registering agent and all stolen guns will be reported. Oh and stealing a firearm needs to be a much stronger sentence than just simple burglary, say double. *give the judge enough possible range to decide if the person was just stupid or doing it on purpose. **or prove you bought it legally and somehow didn't register it. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11362 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
That could work but it ain't gonna happen. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
FAQ #1. Russian Gun Laws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0Wtyan3Qos Where as in the US weapons doesn't even need registration. Strange since driving a car you need a drivers licence and the car is always registrated. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Guns sold through dealers are listed by serial # when the FEDERAL background check is performed. This being the law, why would additional registration be necessary? Except for purposes of taxation or placement on a 'confiscation list'(as happened in the countries that required registration, most notably NAZI Germany). Americans despise being on 'lists', and don't trust the 'list makers and keepers'(Facebook). "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30702 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
threaded (I do not know how you are called) Called "rifling" |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Not true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_registry The only thing you have to do in the US is to fill in a form (on a yellow paper I think) at the vendor. Not at the police station. Then the forms are stored in heaps in some buildings. Almost impossible to track weapons to the owner in case of a felony. Browsing micro fiches and at best forms convertered to PDF format... When you have a car however it only take seconds to find the owner! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The real foundation of both sides in this argument. Can be explained by the following:There lays the real issue. Both sides refusing to sit down & seek a reasonable compromise/solution. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19114 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
How about another organisation running the database that gun owners 'trust', on behalf of government. Sounds like a job for the NRA. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30702 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Guns sold through dealers are listed by serial # when the FEDERAL background check is performed. This being the law, why would additional registration be necessary?Well, since you want every sale to run through a dealers hands, 99.99% solved. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
#1 - Those that Trust Power and Government are on one side of this argumentWhich stated another way, #1-Those that believe the Power flows from the Government to The People. #2-Those that believe the Power flows from The People to the Government. or ......those who wish to control others lives vs. those who only wish to control their own lives. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30702 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The real foundation of both sides in this argument. Can be explained by the following:There lays the real issue. Both sides refusing to sit down & seek a reasonable compromise/solution. He is BS'ing you. The crazies who already have a gun don't want the cops responding to a domestic disturbance call to know that there are 357 guns in the house, because they will then stay until they have all 357 guns locked up pending the resolution of the court case. Right now the crazy can just give up one gun because the cops don't know about the rest. He can use the other 356 to shoot up the shelter where his woman is hiding. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Agree 100%......but that debate, except one notable 3 year period of insanity, has been civil and for the most part respectful.#1 - Those that Trust Power and Government are on one side of this argumentWhich stated another way, Another Pandora not to be returned to the box? "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
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