What is the point? What has been gained? My cpu's are red hot, and still nobody checks the results?
So, why should we burn up our cpu's for this?

I think Matt answered it here.

https://youtu.be/nJirUUTIiiE

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What is the point? What has been gained? My cpu's are red hot, and still nobody checks the results?
So, why should we burn up our cpu's for this?

looking at your stats your cpu(s) are far from hot
if you don't like it and are only here to troll go away otherwise contribute something usefull to the boards instead of this crap

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I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap

What is the point? What has been gained? My cpu's are red hot, and still nobody checks the results?
So, why should we burn up our cpu's for this?

looking at your stats your cpu(s) are far from hot
if you don't like it and are only here to troll go away otherwise contribute something usefull to the boards instead of this crap

Greetings,

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I would have to agree 100% with you. This person has been on SETI for over 11 years and has just over 10K credits to show for it? I don't think this person's CPUs are in any danger of becoming 'red hot'.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

The OP has a valid question please try and think of answers rather than just slagging someone off because they don't have a large credit.

Do you have answers as to why they should continue crunching?

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I see SETI as the hunt for a needle in a haystack.
You believe your Great Aunt lost a needle in a very large haystack, but you aren't quite sure which needle she lost, but you are determined to find it.
You start with one tool and turn the stack over a few times, and you try another tool and turn the stack over again.....
Eventually you may find it, but it could well take a L-O-N-G time.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

The OP has a valid question please try and think of answers rather than just slagging someone off because they don't have a large credit.

Do you have answers as to why they should continue crunching?

Greetings Bernie,

Have you not seen trolling before? That person said their CPUs were getting 'red hot' from crunching SETI. 11.75 years of crunching and only 10K+ to show for it? My PC will do 10K in about a day or 2. And besides, that was that person's first post ever on this forum.

In answer to that person's 'question': YES! It is worth it. It is human nature to explore and discover; it's been happening for 1000s of years. SETI@Home has been doing it for over 16 years. How long has the original SETI been doing it? I don't know, but I do know they have been doing it much longer than we have. We cannot be the only planet in this vast universe with intelligent life on it's surface. I'm in my early 60s and I doubt we will make the ultimate discovery while I'm still alive. I believe the search will take much longer than my lifespan. I will crunch for SETI@Home for as long as I am still around.

Is that answer enough?

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

[edit] By the way, have you seen how many PCs this person has attached to SETI? 4! 4 PCs with only 10K+ between them... And, if this person joined SETI@Home in 2004, why are their PCs only created THIS month?[/edit]

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

The OP has a valid question please try and think of answers rather than just slagging someone off because they don't have a large credit.

Do you have answers as to why they should continue crunching?

Greetings Bernie,

Have you not seen trolling before? That person said their CPUs were getting 'red hot' from crunching SETI. 11.75 years of crunching and only 10K+ to show for it? My PC will do 10K in about a day or 2.

As you have noted it's 10K in 2 days.

And besides, that was that person's first post ever on this forum.

All the more reason to give them the befit of the doubt

In answer to that person's 'question': YES! It is worth it. It is human nature to explore and discover; it's been happening for 1000s of years. SETI@Home has been doing it for over 16 years. How long has the original SETI been doing it? I don't know, but I do know they have been doing it much longer than we have. We cannot be the only planet in this vast universe with intelligent life on it's surface. I'm in my early 60s and I doubt we will make the ultimate discovery while I'm still alive. I believe the search will take much longer than my lifespan. I will crunch for SETI@Home for as long as I am still around.

Is that answer enough?

Yes that seem like a good enough personal reason.

By the way, have you seen how many PCs this person has attached to SETI? 4! 4 PCs with only 10K+ between them... And, if this person joined SETI@Home in 2004, why are their PCs only created THIS month?]

Because a person creates an account in 2004 crunches SETI classic (5066 hours and 1471 classic work units) and then never actually crunches using BIONC till now is no reason for some to be rude, as you pointed out the time is 2 days not 11 years and as two of the machines appear to be laptops perhaps the CPU's are getting hot!!

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He has a valid question. How much he contributes should not make any difference to anything.

And I regard 'red hot' as symbolic for 'using power without any reason'

So, to me, the OP's question reads along the lines of 'The scientists are sitting on a heap of data. Are they going to analyse that data ay some point?'

Because why generate even more data, if nobody is ever going to make any use of it? That would be just pouring energy down the drain. Which, looking at the greater picture would be a very silly thing to do. If you contribute to climate change, you should at least have a good reason for doing so.

So, as a scientist I would say, yes that data is going to be analysed. No good scientist would produce data for data's sake. _when_ that data is going to be analysed is an entirely diffenret question. it may be years or decades from now. but still some day somebody is going to sift through that heap and maybe some unit crunched last year, last dacade or in '99 has something in there that points to something.

yes, looking for ET is something of a question of belief. but the OP would not be here if he had not, at some point, shared that belief.

However, asking whether the data you are generating (however much or little of it) is going to be looked at sooner or later remains a valid question.

IMO the answer is yes.


Please stop accusing people of trolling that ask valid questions.

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A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read. (Mark Twain)

i had a good laugh when i looked at his stats....how is 10k over 10 years even possible???? and still complain about cpu burning up HAHAHAHAHA. im only using 1 computer and i do almost 20k per DAY and my temps stay 20c under max

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So, to me, the OP's question reads along the lines of 'The scientists are sitting on a heap of data. Are they going to analyse that data ay some point?'

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Greetings William,

So, are you saying that ALL the work I have done over the past 16+ years was for naught? All the work I have done is just sitting on some hard drives somewhere collecting dust? The scientist that are running this show are just sitting on their collective hands and not analyzing the work that any of us have done?

If that is the consensus than no, it is not worth crunching for SETI@Home.

I cannot believe that the SETI@Home crew are not analyzing the data we send back. That would mean that this whole thing is a sham, a fraud. And THAT I do not believe.

The 'OP', as you guys so eloquently call them, has surely opened up a can of worms. :|

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Cruncher latkinson6 is really not asking anything that has not been asked by others here before.
Many of us wish that nitpicker was already up and running 24/7.

We are amassing data in a search for something or someone in a space so vast that it is not surprising that we have not found a true WOW signal yet, much less some smaller clues hidden in the signals that we process.

All of the data we are spending out time, money, and effort combing through will be sorted and looked at more carefully one day. So, we are contributing to the total scientific project, even if the final analysis is not happening right now.

Science is not based on instant gratification. Some scientists have spent their working lives looking for or trying to prove something that they believed in, only never to succeed. But, many of them laid the groundwork for others who followed later.

So, latkinson6 and all others who have asked the same or similar questions..........

THAT is why we even do this.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

How soon they forget. Our last extended outrage was extended so they could turn the crank and see what signals were persistent. It doesn't have to be done in real time, once a blue moon is frequently enough. Remember our answer to ET is going to take 25,000 years to so the get there!

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It is your choice. It is like joining a club and than questioning their doings.

If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

How soon they forget. Our last extended outrage was extended so they could turn the crank and see what signals were persistent. It doesn't have to be done in real time, once a blue moon is frequently enough. Remember our answer to ET is going to take 25,000 years to so the get there!

Yes I have forgotten, could you perhaps remind me and others?

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What is the point? What has been gained? My cpu's are red hot, and still nobody checks the results?
So, why should we burn up our cpu's for this?

You don't "burn up your cpu's," you run them at, say, 25% duty cycle. Get a free cpu temp monitor and reduce your load till its well within safe limits. You'll help SETI by number crunching, and one bright sunny day, who knows when from now, all our data with be "resulted." Who knows, you just MAY discover E.T. :) If THAT happens you will be FAMOUS forever! :)

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"Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO"

And besides, that was that person's first post ever on this forum.

And probably will be his last, after having been received as hostile as he has been here. Over nothing.

For once I think the trolling was done by you and Zombu, Rick. Because it doesn't matter how a first poster asks his very legitimate question, there was totally no reason for either of you to immediately go and call him a troll.

As for credit and time taken to get there, you only have 5.8 million in 16 years. You must not be trying your best then either, when compared to just about everyone else (bar me) in this thread. Pwahahahah, only 5.8 mil, what are you doing here? 5.8 mil is just 362,500 per year. Just ~993 per day. You bring in less than latkinson6 does per day. And you are calling him names over a legit question?

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What is the point? What has been gained? My cpu's are red hot, and still nobody checks the results?
So, why should we burn up our cpu's for this?

Unfortunately SETI is a very long-term project that will possibly not even yield results in our lifetime. I do remain hopeful with the recent announcement from project Breakthrough Listen to help fund the several SETI projects out there in developing new equipment to look for SETI as well as hire project scientists to move the projects along. How much SETI@home will see is still in question, but it is at least positive news.

The way I see it, all throughout our history science has been a slow build process, with virtually no immediate applications. It was almost 70 years between the discovery of electromagnetism and the first application of using it as a method to generate electricity. 3D technology is almost 100 years old and we're still not any closer to holographic imagery yet.

I guess what I'm saying is that I choose to be a part of the project because I find the science fascinating, and I think the idea of someone such as myself being able to contribute to the sciences in such a direct and tangible way is still a fun and exciting prospect, even if nothing happens in my lifetime.

I do hope you choose to stay, despite the rest of the responses in this thread. I think it is perfectly natural to question your participation, especially after so many years of contributing and seeing nothing. Still, when setting one's expectations accordingly, the idea of volunteer computing for science is an amazing concept that I'm happy to be a part of, and I hope you can see it that way too.

It definitely is burning, at least when it comes to me.

Still I choose to be doing it.

i stick with him beeing a troll

i stick with siran on that one

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