It is both The Left and The Right. That have as their Foundation. A belief in their Superiority. And therefore, the Right to Control The People. Because the Inferior (they don't know what is best for them) People. Are incapable of making their own decisions.

Clyde that kinda sounds like a representative democracy.

Negative.

Democracy, without a Foundation of Law. Is just Mob Rule.

Elections must have very limited consequences. The Law is Paramount.

Unlike The Beliefs of the Evil Right, and the Evil Left:

Neither 51% of the people, nor 90% of the people. Can take away our Individual Rights.

The Right only mentions groups, not individuals, for 'Protection'.

The Left only mentions groups, not individuals, for 'Protection'.

Have you noticed that Hate Movements (Left and Right) only speak of Groups, not Individuals.

Protecting the Individual Rights of Whites, Asians, Blacks, Men, Women, Straight, Gay, etc. And not placing any Individual Inferior, nor Superior according to whatever group you wish to assign them. Is NOT the agenda of The Right, nor The Left.

Clyde you are conflating issues.
The representative government was elected to make decisions.
If they don't follow the rule of law is a separate issue.
Clyde you use too wide of brush to define issues.

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Those, who see a person walking towards them, and has a Negative or Positive Opinion of that Individual. Because of what 'Group' they belong to. Are...

I fully agree. But that's a reflection of that person making the negative judgement, not on the idea of groups themselves.

This Artificial Dividing The Human Race into Different Groups. Has resulted in the Genocide of 'Groups', when a Power has declared some Groups...

People form groups because they want to find like-minded individuals who share the same interests. The answer here isn't to stop forming groups so people can't declare social or political war against those groups. The answer is to fight the bigotry that creates such hate in the first place.

Has The Human Race advanced beyond the racist and ...phobia 'grouping' of Individuals?

Not yet. Hopefully will.

As long as humans have internal bias or have cultural influences that encourage these phobias against certain groups, the challenge to educate and positively influence people away from bigotry and hate will never be complete.


What I think you're trying to say is that we should also see people as individuals - because everyone is! But what's equally important is respecting that individual's rights, including the right to belong to a group because they identify with it. If a naturally born female sexually identifies as a man, that should be free to live life according to their identity. That's their individual right. If a man feels sexually attracted to or loves another man, that individual should have the right to live and love anyone that is willing to love or be with them freely. That is their individual right.

The only way I can see to protect those individual's rights is to ensure the bigotry against them is not allowed to happen in a free and civil society. The only way I can see that happening is by codifying it into law for all citizens, which means it must be done at the federal level.

By the way - we're far off topic here.

GAME SET MATCH

Install A BIG RED BUTTON in Rose Garden Right Now for BIG BIG BIG Don, Our Next Great fO America and Great fO Americans Prez.

Sweetness is Yappness.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

The Right only mentions groups, not individuals, for 'Protection'.

The Left only mentions groups, not individuals, for 'Protection'.

Have you noticed that Hate Movements (Left and Right) only speak of Groups, not Individuals.

Protecting the Individual Rights of Whites, Asians, Blacks, Men, Women, Straight, Gay, etc. And not placing any Individual Inferior, nor Superior according to whatever group you wish to assign them. Is NOT the agenda of The Right, nor The Left.

That's ridiculous. Everyone belongs to a group of some sort or another. It is perfectly normal for like-minded individuals to gather together and have their voices heard.

OzzFan...

Those, who see a person walking towards them, and has a Negative or Positive Opinion of that Individual. Because of what 'Group' they belong to. Are...

This Artificial Dividing The Human Race into Different Groups. Has resulted in the Genocide of 'Groups', when a Power has declared some Groups...

Has The Human Race advanced beyond the racist and ...phobia 'grouping' of Individuals?

Not yet. Hopefully will.

Yes, we are all individuals

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

That's ridiculous. Everyone belongs to a group of some sort or another. It is perfectly normal for like-minded individuals to gather together and have their voices heard.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79911&postid=1803021#1803021

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Gotta love the "TP" logo. Personally selected they say. Obviously what he thinks of them. TP! But I say used TP!

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What's "TP"? Last I heard it stood for toilet paper, as in, my house got TP'd last night.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

What's "TP"? Last I heard it stood for toilet paper, as in, my house got TP'd last night.

Bob,

I think Gary is referring to this one...



<grin>

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https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Ah, so it does have the same general meaning. How is this for a January scenario, the members of the electoral college, being disgusted with both of the mainstream candidates decide to vote some else, like Gary Johnson, into office. There is no federal law requiring the electors to vote for anyone although most states do have some penalty on the books for such an action.

I also think it is time to shake up congress by replacing every member of the house with someone new. We have the power to do so every other year. It also might not be a bad idea to dump 1/3 of the senate.

Can anyone fathom the chaos that would ensue in Washington DC. Like who would get the choice parking spots in the congressional garage? Not to speak of committees.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throw_the_Hypocritical_Rascal_Out_(T.H.R.O.)

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We potentially have so much power over our government without having to resort to a revolution or violence. But with the bureaucracy in place (non elected government officials) how much would our government change if we replaced every last elected federal official.

As I recall the internet in 1991-92 was just an oddity. I wonder if today such a campaign would yield better results.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

I also think it is time to shake up congress by replacing every member of the house with someone new. We have the power to do so every other year. It also might not be a bad idea to dump 1/3 of the senate.

I have long advocated and practiced voting out all incumbents in every level of public service unless they have shown exceptional performance. In the last 16 elections no one has passed that test.....

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Who gets to decide? As it is now the general electorate makes that decision.

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Who gets to decide? As it is now the general electorate makes that decision.

If everyone adopted the least special interest money method of voting, America would be fine. Separate all the mail you get saying vote for me. Weigh it. Add one ounce for every TV/Radio ad. Add two ounces for every phone call. Pick the candidate with the least weight.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-idUSKCN0ZX0MX

The head of a Cleveland police union called on Ohio Governor John Kasich to declare a state of emergency and suspend laws allowing for the open carry of firearms during the Republican convention.

"I don't care what the legal precedent is. ..." Steve Loomis, president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told Reuters in an interview.

Typical police union thinking, throw away the law and the constitution. Is it any wonder at all what is happening?

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-idUSKCN0ZX0MX

The head of a Cleveland police union called on Ohio Governor John Kasich to declare a state of emergency and suspend laws allowing for the open carry of firearms during the Republican convention.

"I don't care what the legal precedent is. ..." Steve Loomis, president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told Reuters in an interview.

Typical police union thinking, throw away the law and the constitution. Is it any wonder at all what is happening?

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

This is the wrong thread but...
Guns will not be permitted inside the Quicken Loans Arena and areas monitored by the Secret Service, but protesters coming to Cleveland will be allowed to carry guns due to the state’s open-carry laws. Items such as water guns, knives, canned food, and even tennis balls will not be allowed near the arena, however.
I have too agree with Steve Loomis. “That’s absolute insanity to me…".
“We are going to be looking very, very hard at anyone who has an open carry,” he said.
“An AR-15, a shotgun, multiple handguns. It’s irresponsible of those folks — especially right now — to be coming downtown with open carry AR’s or anything else. I couldn’t care less if it’s legal or not. We are constitutional law enforcement, we love the Constitution, support it and defend it, but you can’t go into a crowded theater and scream fire. And that’s exactly what they’re doing by bringing those guns down there.”

Some groups have already said they plan to carry weapons to the event. The New Black Panther Party and the Oath Keepers, who are former members of the military, say they will carry weapons to the area. In an interview with Reuters, Hashim Nzinga, chairman of the New Black Panther Party said, “If it is an open state to carry, we will exercise our Second Amendment rights because there are other groups threatening to be there that are threatening to do harm to us.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/16/3799038/republican-convention-guns-2/

I couldn’t care less if it’s legal or not. We are constitutional law enforcement, we love the Constitution, support it and defend it, but you can’t go into a crowded theater and scream fire.

Actually you can scream fire in a crowded theater. What you can't do is cause a panic in a crowded theater.

He doesn't care what is legal! A cop who doesn't care what is legal!!! I find that repugnant in the extreme. If he doesn't care about legal on not on this matter, what else? Shooting unarmed citizens laying on the ground in the back?!!!

The person who is stupid is the site selection committee of the RNC.

The fools who will carry are perhaps 5150. Maybe that is the way the cops should treat them. Involuntary commitment to a mental health facility at least until the convention is over.

The people hire you to enforce the law as written. You don't get to pick and choose laws just to make your job easy. If you don't feel you can do the job as your employer expects, quit!

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The people hire you to enforce the law as written. You don't get to pick and choose laws just to make your job easy. If you don't feel you can do the job as your employer expects, quit!

I see. In the US the law to have the right to carry a gun is more important than law enforcers lifes.
No wonder why we can see so many nervous police officers behaving what I think is against the law...

The chief wants Marshal Law declared in his national convention town.

Martial law is the imposition of the highest-ranking military officer as the military governor or as the head of the government, thus removing all power from the previous executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.

Stay tuned, this is going to be a good one.

I was in Memphis when they declared Marshal Law after King was killed.

Scary stuff, been there done that. ;)

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The chief wants Marshal Law declared in his national convention town.

Martial law is the imposition of the highest-ranking military officer as the military governor or as the head of the government, thus removing all power from the previous executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.

Stay tuned, this is going to be a good one.
I was in Memphis when they declared Marshal Law after King was killed.
Scary stuff, been there done that. ;)

Scary stuff indeed.
Not been there but I do remember both Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy, also killed that year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy#Assassination
But did the US really declare martial law in response to any of the assassinations of King or Kennedy?