Even worse, O'bummer might try to conjure up an excuse to suspend the election and give himself another term by presidential decree.

Bob that ain't gonna happen. You need a better AFB.

What's an AFB? BTW I wasn't being serious.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/2016-election-poll-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/index.html

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton register net negative ratings in double digits, indicating the front-runners for each party's presidential nominations are viewed negatively at historic levels, according to a new CBS/New York Times poll.

That makes Trump and Clinton viewed more unfavorably than any front-runner for either party since 1984, when CBS began polling voters on the question.

On the Republican side, Trump scores a net negative of -33, with a favorable rating of 24% compared to 57% of voters who view him unfavorably. On the Democratic side, Clinton fares only slightly better with a net negative of -21, registering a 31% favorable rating and a 52% unfavorable rating, according to the poll.

Both candidates' negatives far outweigh front-runners of the past. In 2012, President Barack Obama was viewed favorably and unfavorably by an equal share of voters, while Republican nominee Mitt Romney scored a net negative of -7. In 2008, both Obama and Sen. John McCain had net positive ratings of 16 and 7 points, respectively.

he previous highest unfavorable rating since 1984 actually belongs to another Clinton -- former President Bill Clinton, who in 1992 had a net negative rating of -17.
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The CBS/NYT poll also surveyed voters on hypothetical general election match-ups.

In a Clinton-Trump election, Clinton leads the billionaire businessman by 10 points. Against Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Clinton is ahead by 3 points. And her lead disappears when matched up against Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who would beat Clinton by 4 points.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Clinton's primary rival, performs better in a hypothetical contest with Trump. He leads the Republican front-runner by 15 points due to his strong support among independent voters, according to the poll.

With the negative opinion that high we are likely to have astonishingly small turnout for the general election.

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What are the changes to the Australian Senate where the real power is ....

From now on the voter wil be able to vote 1-6 above the line and 1-4 below the line . Your will also still be able to just fill 1 box in

Below the line you had to mark every box now you will only need to mark 4

This was done to stop minor party's being elected via preferences . It is also being challenged in the high Court of Australia

I wonder how the Donald and the Tea Party mite change the U.S ........

Glenn, our political system cannot be compared to the U.S. system in any way, shape or form what so ever to what our system is. Their current system is so far right and corrupt compared to ours that no comparison can be made between the 2.

Cheers.

Glenn, our political system cannot be compared to the U.S. system in any way, shape or form what so ever to what our system is. Their current system is so far right and corrupt compared to ours that no comparison can be made between the 2.

Ya see, this is why we have such a hard time communicating.

To say that our system is so far right and corrupt compared to yours, well, corrupt yes, but so far right? I guess your definitions of right and left are opposite from most of the people I interact with. Does this have something to do with being on the other side of the equator?

No, just about everybody outside of the US recognises that main stream US politics is to the right. But, so far, not full blown fascists.

If a party were to be formed in the US that is as left wing as the traditional Labour party in the UK, you would call them extremists. Yet there is still more room on the left for the communist, Marxist and Stalinist parties.

ok..I am catching up on this thread and it seems there is a lot of talk about democrats being liars.

Perhaps this will help clear things up.

Assessing the candidates' overall truthfulness



The old joke comes to mind, "How do you tell when a politician is lying? His lips are moving"

However, it does seem that some are bigger liars than others. So if truthfulness is what you are looking for, maybe this graphic will help you decide.

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Reality Internet Personality

ok..I am catching up on this thread and it seems there is a lot of talk about democrats being liars.

I'm not sure if it is talk or delusion?

I see Drumpf is poling far ahead with the Pants on Fire voters. Is this a result of the education system teaching creationism as fact?

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The Washington Post, has Trumps "facts" at a much higher False rating.

There’s never been a presidential candidate like Donald Trump — someone so cavalier about the facts and so unwilling to ever admit error, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. At last count, nearly 65 percent (17 of 27) of our rulings of his statements turned out to be Four Pinocchios, our worst rating. By contrast, most politicians tend to earn Four Pinocchios 10 to 20 percent of the time. (Moreover, most of the remaining ratings for Trump are Three Pinocchios.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/22/all-of-donald-trumps-four-pinocchio-ratings-in-one-place/

ok..I am catching up on this thread and it seems there is a lot of talk about democrats being liars.

Perhaps this will help clear things up.

Assessing the candidates' overall truthfulness

The old joke comes to mind, "How do you tell when a politician is lying? His lips are moving"

However, it does seem that some are bigger liars than others. So if truthfulness is what you are looking for, maybe this graphic will help you decide.

Hi Es, seems you may still have some catching up to do ;-)

CLYDE will tell you something along the lines of "Democrats and Republicans Are The Same", so your link must, therefore, be wrong as it shows they are not (Hillary and Bernie are "mostly true" or "true" 51% of the time, Kasich 50% and Cruz and Drumpf somewhat less than 50%, as for "pants on fire" lies, Republicans out do Democrats by 31 to 1, so there simply must be something amiss with the data, mustn't there? Either that, or the 1 is as bad a lie as the other 31 combined).

MajorKong might tell you something along the lines of "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! Facts, schmacts!" (or in his words "since you can come up with a source that can be construed to support any statement that you might want to make",). Let's all wave hands at the facts, who cares if Democrats are most truthful than Republicans?

And Guy might care to prove the point by retelling the lie that "most Democrats are felons".

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

It takes two to tango.
I wonder if Trump knows how to do it:)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-tango-argentina_us_56f34116e4b0c3ef5217f0eb

msattler wrote:

I hope she is soon in prison where she belongs.

It will never happen. Even if there were charges put against her formally, what do you think would happen the day before the new President's inauguration day? Remember what President Ford did for Nixon? She won't even have to testify - much less spend a second behind bars.

This brings up another question. 24 days ago, an appeals court determined that the civil racketeering case against Donald Trump (ala Trump University) can move forward - with its first hearing scheduled a month after the Republican Convention. Since it's a civil case, he won't be going to jail either. But required court appearances might put a damper on his ability to actively campaign.

Trump's the first 21st century campaign (Twitter and 24/7 News).

Obama was the original 21st century campaign.

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Es99...

Agree. But doesn't really matter.

As if saying: A person who commits less crimes than another. Is someone to admire, and should be in a position of responsibility.

We aren't talking about crimes here, we are talking about untruths.

Now there are many times you say things that are not true, but are they actually lies or do you genuinely believe they are true? I doubt anyone gets things right 100% of the time. I'm not saying that these candidates aren't lying, I am just pointing out that there is a differences between being wrong about something and lying.

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Reality Internet Personality

Frankenstein has A LOT TO LOOK FORWARD to. Life IS GOoD as A Prez.

Dancin'Don Headed to DaFunHouse in '17

Yap

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

What are the changes to the Australian Senate where the real power is ....

From now on the voter wil be able to vote 1-6 above the line and 1-4 below the line . Your will also still be able to just fill 1 box in

Below the line you had to mark every box now you will only need to mark 4

This was done to stop minor party's being elected via preferences . It is also being challenged in the high Court of Australia

I wonder how the Donald and the Tea Party mite change the U.S ........

Glenn, our political system cannot be compared to the U.S. system in any way, shape or form what so ever to what our system is. Their current system is so far right and corrupt compared to ours that no comparison can be made between the 2.

Cheers.

Yeh I forgot Wiggo there bankrupt and we are not they have more right wing fasist elected than we do .
But then again we are smarter also more informed and don't let our polly's get away with crap .

Now if the Yanks would wake up and see this Trump for what he is a nutjob that will stuff things up even more I might just think Americans have a brain that works , but oh well I can allways dream they will see the light .

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Now if the Yanks would wake up and see this Drumpf for what he is a nutjob that will stuff things up even more I might just think Americans have a brain that works , but oh well I can allways dream they will see the light .

Guess who's favorability rating is less than the US Congress?

Bill Clinton:     Net Favorable 58%, Net Unfavorable 36% - Diff +22
Joe Biden:        Net Favorable 57%, Net Unfavorable 35% - Diff +22
Barack Obama:     Net Favorable 57%, Net Unfavorable 42% - Diff +15
John Kasich:      Net Favorable 46%, Net Unfavorable 32% - Diff +14
Bernie Sanders:   Net Favorable 52%, Net Unfavorable 41% - Diff +11
Democratic Party: Net Favorable 51%, Net Unfavorable 43% - Diff  +8
Paul Ryan:        Net Favorable 40%, Net Unfavorable 38% - Diff  +2
Hillary Clinton:  Net Favorable 44%, Net Unfavorable 53% - Diff  -9
Ted Cruz:         Net Favorable 32%, Net Unfavorable 55% - Diff -23
Mitt Romney:      Net Favorable 32%, Net Unfavorable 58% - Diff -26
Republican Party: Net Favorable 33%, Net Unfavorable 60% - Diff -27
US Congress:      Net Favorable 29%, Net Unfavorable 61% - Diff -32

Of course it's (judging by some of the posters to this thread) our next POTUS ...

Donald Drumpf:    Net Favorable 29%, Net Unfavorable 68% - Diff -39

Margin of error +/- 3.1%.

(source)

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Bloody hope your right Bobby or goed help us all if that nutjob actually wins .

ok to bring back torcher ????!!!!!!

And use nukes on ISIS , think Putin & China and even Fat kim mite have something to say about going that far DONALD .. you big mouth'd twit

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Bloody hope your right Bobby or goed help us all if that nutjob actually wins .

2/3 of republicans won't vote for him.
99% of democrats won't vote for him.
How does he win?
The people who are disgusted with him stay home.

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Darth Beaver wrote:

Bloody hope your right Bobby or goed help us all if that nutjob actually wins.

God help us all if anybody wins (sigh). I'm 65 years old. And in all my years as a US voter, I've never seen such a sorry assortment of Presidential candidates - each with their own baggage in tow. Probably the least dangerous of the lot is John Kasich. But he won't even come close.

Bloody hope your right Bobby or goed help us all if that nutjob actually wins .

2/3 of republicans won't vote for him.
99% of democrats won't vote for him.
How does he win?
The people who are disgusted with him stay home.

You might want to look at the numbers posted at FiveThirtyEight, Trump Will Have A Hard Time Turning Blue States Red In November
Bottom line of Trumps performance so far in the Primary/Caucusus votes

		REPUBLICAN 	DEMOCRATIC+REPUBLICAN
United States 	37.1% 		21.3%