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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
The problem is, despite someone claiming that something is a religion, such as the social structures Dr. Crichton observed, does not make it so. +1 Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30697 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Well, do you mean something like the golden rule? Remember we had a poster on the boards who claimed that morals could only be found by reading a particular good book and would reject the golden rule. There does often seem to be a blind spot and a certain defensiveness when you point out horrible things at home. It is always so easy to point the finger outside ourselves. Yes, we are all perfect and everyone else has flaws. Yet another value judgement. This is a conundrum. It becomes impossible to place value comparisons on the belief set of a culture without looking at it from your own biased eyes. This leaves two possibilities, everyone shares the same culture so they view the world identically, or, every culture is equally valid. We know the first will never happen, we know from example that the second is false. Unfortunately this means that culture value judgements, superior or inferior, will always exist. I think I can safely posit that every culture will find at least one practice of another culture to be inferior to their own superior position. That may even be the very reason or definition of different cultures. Not sure where that leaves us, perhaps the best we can ever do is get rid of overt racism and will have to accept that there will always be some level of subconscious racism. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Well what you need to do is show some self awareness. When you make a value judgement you have to examine if it is founded on subconscious racism. For example, the wearing of the veil for Muslimas. Am I being patronising if I try to tell women from another culture what they should or should not wear? (its not like western women are free from restrictive clothing expectations) or is it a sign of an oppressive misogynistic culture and I should condemn it. Sometimes there are no easy answers, In fact most of the time there are no easy answer. The only thing we should try to practice is self awareness, which does seem in short supply these days. Reality Internet Personality |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
I wouldn't Let Marble Rock shine my shoes. Nor Granite. LimeStone and SandStone maybe. There 'is' a Lot of Rock in This Vrold, and I'm Better Than Most. Lava Rock been On This Earth fO a Very Long Time, and We are, Well, heck I'll Say 'It', Superior. When One Can Build and Destroy, dats Sumtin' Special. Yep. Plus, No Rock Beats dat DRum DRum, Like Lava Rockin' Dr. HOHUM. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30697 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
For example, the wearing of the veil for Muslimas. Am I being patronising if I try to tell women from another culture what they should or should not wear? (its not like western women are free from restrictive clothing expectations) or is it a sign of an oppressive misogynistic culture and I should condemn it. More importantly why would you not question your own thoughts? |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
For example, the wearing of the veil for Muslimas. Am I being patronising if I try to tell women from another culture what they should or should not wear? (its not like western women are free from restrictive clothing expectations) or is it a sign of an oppressive misogynistic culture and I should condemn it. You can be both at the same time. You could argue that women wearing veils that cover their face, or just head scarfs, are signs of a misogynistic culture. But that doesn't mean that when you condemn it you aren't patronizing them. Just look at FEMEN, which is patronizing as hell everytime they yell something about how they must liberate women everywhere from the patriarchal oppression of religion. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Elizabeth II wearing babushka-type headscarf at a meeting with Ronald Reagan, 1982. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
The Most Beautiful Woman in The Vrold, I've Seen, was on a Flight from Bahrain Island to Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. I Only saw her eyes, eye brow and some brown skin surrounding. Being Much Younger and Dumber at the time, I thought Nothing of the Complete Covering of Head and Body. Heck, they were Arab Women and 'it' 'is' how they Dressed. I would have liked to have seen 'More'. But wouldn't The Beauty Perceived have been much diminished? Maybe. Point: None. I don't know if this Woman would have preferred otherwise and still do not know. I can go 'Outside' to Wherever and WISH Most Women were COVERED UP. If You Know what I Mean. And I Know you do. Yep. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
In Teheran they have fashion catwalks with the latest headscarfs. And of course burkini:) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Misogynistic ? ??? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30697 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
For example, the wearing of the veil for Muslimas. Am I being patronising if I try to tell women from another culture what they should or should not wear? (its not like western women are free from restrictive clothing expectations) or is it a sign of an oppressive misogynistic culture and I should condemn it. So glad to know that in your case all the answers to all questions are in that "good book" you read. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Elizabeth II wearing babushka-type headscarf at a meeting with Ronald Reagan, 1982. Yet it looks almost exactly like the one I saw a Muslim woman wearing around the store the other day. She was also cleverly using her headscarf as a hands free device for her phone. Why are you so offended at the idea that the Queen wears a headscarf very similar to those warn by millions of Muslim ladies? Aren't Christian women still asked to cover their heads when they go onto Church? Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
For example, the wearing of the veil for Muslimas. Am I being patronising if I try to tell women from another culture what they should or should not wear? (its not like western women are free from restrictive clothing expectations) or is it a sign of an oppressive misogynistic culture and I should condemn it. Exactly. When I hear people shouting and abusing Muslim women for what they choose to wear, then it seems to me to be just another case of people telling women what they can and cannot do. If a woman is being forced to wear it, that is something else, but otherwise, perhaps we should talk to Muslim women and ask what they want rather than enforcing our own views on them? I find the full Burka difficult to understand, but again, I find other ways that we control how women dress and look pretty bad in our culture, for example the way women are used as ornaments and their bodies used to sell things. So back to the important point of why it is so important to question your own thoughts. Our thoughts are a composite of our culturally imposed assumptions and the information we are surrounded with. It is always important to question and examine them. Anyone one who does not practice self-awareness is the very definition of 'un-thinking'. Reality Internet Personality |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Elizabeth II wearing babushka-type headscarf at a meeting with Ronald Reagan, 1982. hihihih. Here is a Babushka with a headscarf, huckle in Swedish. Babushka means old lady or granny in Russian. Thats have been the farmers fashion for ages in Russia... And here as well... Come to Think about jew males. In the synagoge you have to wear "kalott" on your head. Dont know what is called English. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
I find the full Burka difficult to understand, but again, I find other ways that we control how women dress and look pretty bad in our culture, for example the way women are used as ornaments and their bodies used to sell things. I find the Burka thing a little misleading. The way people focus on it, like if you ban women from wearing it they are suddenly free and the patriarchy is gone. Its such a distraction, such a way of 'us' imposing what we think is best for them without ever bothering to ask them what they want or need. In countries were women have to wear burkas or risk death, I really don't think the Burka itself is the biggest issue we should care about. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Burka/Niqab is oppression of women! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30697 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Burka/Niqab is oppression of women! The garment is not. The attitude that failing to wear it means that you are a prostitute is. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Burka/Niqab is oppression of women! The garment itself is not oppression. Some women likes it. Its when the sociaty and her husband demands her to wear it. I see lots a problems. She cannot go shopping or travel by herself because she cannot identify herself. In school the teachers cannot identify her. Common rule is that women are not allowed to drive car. ..... |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
For example, the wearing of the veil for Muslimas. Am I being patronising if I try to tell women from another culture what they should or should not wear? (its not like western women are free from restrictive clothing expectations) or is it a sign of an oppressive misogynistic culture and I should condemn it. Hence, my recent Socrates quote. One who is not questioning one's thoughts is the same as, or one step away, from one who believe (s)he is right on sll matters. Thus, the recent suggestion this particular man is employing the Socratic method seems to be allowing extreme patience. The probability appears to be exceedingly small. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Aren't Christian women still asked to cover their heads when they go onto Church? Eh? |
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