The "wrong way round" bow has been in use on some oil field ships for a few years. It is claimed that the bow shape splits waves rather than smashing into a wave and this over the decks....

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Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

A Zumwalt class Stealth Destroyer, the USS Zumwalt DDG1000..
http://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/images/PUB_DDG-1000_vs_DDG-51-Flt2A_Comparison_lg.jpg

Corvette stealth class Visby a large floating computer. Traditional bow:)

https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.idg.se%2F2.1085%2F1.567321%2Fatt-se-utan-att-synas--korvett-typ-visby--del-1
First, you might think that the Visby-class maybe just an ordinary boat, attached with a plastic hull that is not magnetic. But when you go into the details, one is struck by the enormous engineering knowledge built into every detail. The boat is simply packed with engineering ingenuity. No other fleet can be set up with so many weapons and so many features in such a small space. Visby corvette is nothing less than a Kinderegg for big boys and girls.

Visby is the ship type, or class. In the class, Sweden has five ships, with the names: HMS Visby, HMS Helsingborg, HMS Härnösand HMS Nyköping and HMS Karlstad. HMS is His Majesty's Ship, because the King is head of state and chief representative of the Armed Forces. In English, it becomes HSwMS (His Swedish Majesty's Ship).

Our Admiral:)

The other class of US Navy 'Stealth' ships is the Littoral Class Ship or LCS. Shallow draft allows close in shore access, designed to be eventually armed with Laser Beam weapons and Railguns wa well as Cruise and standard missles.

Two designs are competing for deployment one being a tri-maran hull, the USS Independence:



And a more conventional hull design, the USS Freedom:



....both are slightly smaller than the U.S. Navy's guided missile frigates and have been likened to corvettes. They have the capabilities of a small assault transport, including a flight deck and hangar for housing two SH-60 or MH-60 Seahawk helicopters, a stern ramp for operating small boats, and the cargo volume and payload to deliver a small assault force with fighting vehicles to a roll-on/roll-off port facility. Standard armaments include Mk 110 57 mm guns and Rolling Airframe Missiles. They are also equipped with autonomous air, surface, and underwater vehicles. Possessing lower air defense and surface warfare capabilities than destroyers, the LCS concept emphasizes speed, flexible mission modules and a shallow draft.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

These ships are floating death traps, the Brits found that out the hard way in the Falklands War with Argentina, Aluminum can and will catch fire in battle, and once it starts burning, it seems to be impossible to extinguish..

I'd rather substitute Titanium, as light as Aluminum, as strong as Steel and Titanium doesn't rust either..

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Sounds familary DG:)

Independence, delivered to the US Navy at the end of 2009, is a high-speed, small-crew corvette (although the U.S. Navy does not use the term) intended for operation in the littoral zone. She can swap out various systems to take on various missions, including finding and destroying mines, hunting submarines in and near shallow water, and fighting small boats (she is not intended to fight warships). The ship is a trimaran design with a wide beam above the waterline that supports a larger flight deck than those of the Navy's much larger destroyers and cruisers, as well as a large hangar and a similarly large mission bay below. The trimaran hull also exhibits low hydrodynamic drag, allowing efficient operation on two diesel-powered water jets at speeds up to 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph), and high-speed operation on two gas turbine-powered water jets at a sustainable 44 knots (81 km/h; 51 mph) and even faster for short periods.

But 44 knots in high sea...
Fasten seatbealts:)

Ticonderoga Class about $1 billion each warship. These are Cruisers.



USS Bunker Hill (CG 52), San Diego, CA
USS Mobile Bay (CG 53), San Diego, CA
USS Antietam (CG 54), Yokosuka, Japan
USS Leyte Gulf (CG 55), Norfolk, VA
USS San Jacinto (CG 56), Norfolk, VA
USS Lake Champlain (CG 57), San Diego, CA
USS Philippine Sea (CG 58), Mayport, FL
USS Princeton (CG 59), San Diego, CA
USS Normandy (CG 60), Norfolk, VA
USS Monterey (CG 61), Norfolk, VA
USS Chancellorsville (CG 62), San Diego, CA
USS Cowpens (CG 63), San Diego, CA
USS Gettysburg (CG 64), Mayport, FL
USS Chosin (CG 65), Pearl Harbor, HI
USS Hue City (CG 66), Mayport, FL
USS Shiloh (CG 67), Yokosuka, Japan
USS Anzio (CG 68), Norfolk, VA
USS Vicksburg (CG 69), Mayport, FL
USS Lake Erie (CG 70), Pearl Harbor, HI
USS Cape St. George (CG 71), San Diego, CA
USS Vella Gulf (CG 72), Norfolk, VA
USS Port Royal (CG 73), Pearl Harbor, HI

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Many warships...
Here is a trade ship.
The Swedish East India Company was established on 14 June 1731, to trade in East Asia. The company followed the Portuguese, Dutch, Danish, French and English East India Companies. Situated in Gothenburg, the company secured a 15-year monopoly on far eastern trade, exchanging Swedish timber, tar, iron and copper for tea, porcelain and silk.

The company existed for 82 years and its vessels made 131 voyages using 37 different ships. Even though the company in the end went bankrupt, it made enormous profits during most of its years in operation and influenced the history of Sweden in several ways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6theborg_(ship)

After various tests and achieving its safety certificates from Det Norske Veritas, a replica of the vessel sailed for China in October 2005, as the original vessel did, but it did not follow the same route. The vessel berthed at the Victoria and Alfred Waterfront in Cape Town, and then left for Hout Bay before continuing on its voyage. The voyage took some 18 months, and the crew of 80 were rotated during harbour stops. The vessel returned to Gothenburg on 9 June 2007, welcomed by the president of China, Hu Jintao, who visited Sweden mainly for this reason, and by the King and Queen of Sweden, Carl Gustaf and Silvia. The ship was also welcomed by thousands of private boats, and a hundred thousand spectators on shore.

Götheborg come to Guangzhou, China.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6theborg_(ship)#/media/File:Stockholm20100619.jpg

Ok here's something, Ships are HUGE these days..

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

HMCS Provider.




I sailed on her for 18 months on the west coast of North America!

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My GF's sister sailed some years on something like that as a Cook.

The NS Savannah, the 1st and one of 4 Nuclear powered Freighters..

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

USS Nautilus (SSN-571) was the world's first operational nuclear-powered submarine.

I remember that because I played with a model of it in the bathtub.
About the same time as NS Savannah I Think...

Here's a sub that the Russians could never track, the Seaview..

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Here's a sub that the Russians could never track, the Seaview..]

Then why it's called Seaview? Contradictions in terms:)
We have many "Seaviews" from Russia in our archiopelago...

Here's a sub that the Russians could never track, the USOS Seaview..]

Then why it's called Seaview? Contradictions in terms:)
We have many "Seaviews" from Russia in our archiopelago...

Why was it called that, most likely from the forward observation ports at the bow of the sub. The sub was several models, all made or an Irwin Allen based TV Show in the 1960's.. Known as 'Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea' or VTTBOTS for short as the show is referred to on the net here and there.

This sub also carried another sub inside Her, the 'Flying Sub'.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Here's a sub that the Russians could never track, the USOS Seaview..]

Then why it's called Seaview? Contradictions in terms:)
We have many "Seaviews" from Russia in our archiopelago...

Why was it called that, most likely from the forward observation ports at the bow of the sub. The sub was several models, all made or an Irwin Allen based TV Show in the 1960's.. Known as 'Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea' or VTTBOTS for short as the show is referred to on the net here and there.
This sub also carried another sub inside Her, the 'Flying Sub'.

I sea :):):)

What I dont understand is why destroyers have just as much tonnage now days as the Ticonderoga class crusiers? To me it seems there is no class distinction between the two.
And The navy is rethinkings it satnce on frigates. As the last Oliver Hazard Perry frigate USS Kaufman FFG-59 is on her last deployment. (There
is one other Frigate in service. The USS Constitution.)
And I agree with Vic. No warship should be built out of aluminum.

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What I dont understand is why destroyers have just as much tonnage now days as the Ticonderoga class cruisers? To me it seems there is no class distinction between the two.
And The navy is rethinking its stance on frigates. As the last Oliver Hazard Perry frigate USS Kaufman FFG-59 is on her last deployment. (There
is one other Frigate in service. The USS Constitution.)
And I agree with Vic. No warship should be built out of aluminum.

Yeah, Destroyers have been getting bigger, not mention more expensive, the Zumwalts of course got more expensive after all but 3 were canceled. The Brits had a French Exocet missile slam into them, I wonder how real armor would hold up to that missile, being the Iowas were designed to take impacts from not just plunging 14" shells, but directed fire?

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The problem with 'armoring' against anti-ship missiles is they don't attack the sides of vessels like projectiles or torpedoes, they do a 'pop-up' and dive down on the topsides. It's hard to counter an over head attack as the Japanese discovered when US dive bombers sank the most heavily armored battleship ever built, the Musashi.

Today's defense is anti-missile guns, missiles, and 'beam-weapons', coupled with 'stealth' technologies and sensor jamming, not 24 inches of steel. Also today's fire suppression systems mitigate the risk of aluminum construction.

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The problem with 'armoring' against anti-ship missiles is they don't attack the sides of vessels like projectiles or torpedoes, they do a 'pop-up' and dive down on the topsides. It's hard to counter an over head attack as the Japanese discovered when US dive bombers sank the most heavily armored battleship ever built, the Musashi.

Today's defense is anti-missile guns, missiles, and 'beam-weapons', coupled with 'stealth' technologies and sensor jamming, not 24 inches of steel. Also today's fire suppression systems mitigate the risk of aluminum construction.

Ah yes, similar to a plunging shell, only faster, armor thickness here will rule, HE might explode(but not pierce) and AP will above a certain threshold just bounce off, battleship armor would just laugh it off and maybe later need the paint crew. Some in another forum thought that a nuclear warhead would do something, actually outside of contamination, that does nothing to sink a ship, Operation Crossroads proved in an air-burst that a nuke could not sink a battleship, contaminate a battleship? Sure, clean up though is another matter and may not be possible or at least easy to do, that depends on how contaminated the ship is I'd guess. A nuke can sink a ship only when the detonation happens underwater, nukes are blast weapons, not contact weapons.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's