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MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
This GOP Lover and DEM/Lib Hater(when in Government or Other Controlling Institutions) said: Whether Abortion 'is' Legal or Not, I Believe 'She' can Do As She Pleases, with The 'Life' Inside Her. Maybe getting to Sleep and Dreams will Never Haunt. Maybe. Not My Biz. Ever. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Abortion whether legalised or not is a very difficult subject at the best of times, which really needs its own thread. In the case of pregnancy resulting from rape, or medical reasons endangering life for the pregnancy to continue, I don't think anyone anywhere would argue against it. If it was a genuine mistake and the child was never wanted there is a good case for that as well. Also in cases where the mother is classed as of diminished responsibility, or the mother is under age. But when it comes down to I've simply changed my mind about having the child, that brings all the moral issues into play. Only in the sense that bringing an unwanted child into the world is immoral. What we don't want is non-legalisation to maintain the trade in back street abortions, with all the risks that those pose. I think before xx weeks it should be legalised, the sticking point is what should XX weeks be? Yes it is a womans own body and her decision at the end of the day, and she may have to accept others disapproval of her decision, but she should still be allowed to make that decision. To be honest I am not sure that there should be an XX weeks limit. As pointed out in the article I posted, there are many good reasons why someone would need a late abortion. In Canada there is no laws at all on abortion. They were all struck down and never replaced. We have a situation where a woman can legally get an abortion at any point, however, finding a Dr. willing to perform a late abortion without very good reason is another matter entirely. This seems to actually work and hasn't resulted in a rise in late abortions. Considering that even in the UK the numbers of late abortions is very small, I wonder what the real agenda is in making this an issue. The only result will be to do harm to people in the name of a false moral agenda (i.e. an unborn baby's life has more worth than the mothers). Reality Internet Personality |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
The only result will be to do harm to people in the name of a false moral agenda (i.e. an unborn baby's life has more worth than the mothers). Hardly a false moral agenda. When we are talking about late term abortions, we are essentially talking about what we prioritize, a human life that only needs to get out of the mothers womb to survive, or the mother itself. There is no real objective reason why prioritizing one is better than prioritizing the other. It comes down to personal preferences. So lets not accuse the other side of having a false moral agenda simply because their morals are not your morals. That said, it hardly comes as a surprise that the GOP is going after abortions. My guess is that this is partly done to please the voter base, and partly for in the unlikely case it would not get veto'd out by the President, a potential way of challenging Roe vs Wade, now that the Supreme Court favors conservative viewpoints more. And given how they have gone after abortions on a state level, this is hardly surprising. |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
she said it was either that or be ostracised from the family Humph, it was that or kill a human being! (Edit: (Just my opinion mind you...) |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Yet none of you seem to be reading the article on why people feel it necessary to go through with a late term abortion. So your arguments are actually irrelevant and full of assumptions as to why someone would need to do that. Reality Internet Personality |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
ostracised from the family It is just that I don't think that is a good reason to lose a child.... |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
To be honest I am not sure that there should be an XX weeks limit. As Long As 'it' 'is' Not Me Removing The 'Life' and 'Disposing of its 'Remains'. Gruesome. Sickening. Like I Said: Yeah, rippin' Out A 20+ week 'Fetu[oe]s is A Messy Bizness. And 'Disposing' of 'Remains'. A Yuk-A-Thon. Reminds of 'Mail Rooms' in All The Lovely 'Wars' Fought. Packin' and Shippin' 'Remains' Home. BLECH. Ladies Right. Do What You Want. 36th Week for All I Care. Their Bodies, Their Biz. Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30726 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Back in 1776 time frame when the USA came into being, abortion was not legal for the mother, but for the father he could abort up until the 21st year after birth. Of course in 1776 the midwife made sure "monsters" did not take their first breath. Today, the father has no rights in abortion, and the mother has all choice. As to a limit on when, I don't like hard and fast rules. I would hate to hear of a case of an abortion of a full term normal fetus, but I can't envision every possible human condition in advance. I think every advocate of restricting abortion should be placed in a lottery and the prize is to adopt and raise any baby that their restrictions force to be born. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I would hate to hear of a case of an abortion of a full term normal fetus, .. That's called "child birth". Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30726 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I would hate to hear of a case of an abortion of a full term normal fetus, .. see http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/justice/pennsylvania-abortion-doctor-trial/ |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I would hate to hear of a case of an abortion of a full term normal fetus, .. That's a weird case, he was breaking a lot of laws beside the abortion law. Also, I see no mention of full term abortions. Full term is around 36-37 weeks. Reality Internet Personality |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Richard Dawkins says it would be immoral not to abort, others disagree. Downs Richard Dawkins is a blatant sexist but more importantly, he's not a parent of someone with Down. He is in no position to tell people what to do or judge them afterwards. Really, telling people its immoral not to abort their baby is just as horrible as someone who tells people it is immoral to abort. That aside, I believe in abortion being a woman's choice, and I do oppose legislation that would restrict abortions. I'm fully convinced that someone who chooses a late term abortion does so for the best of reasons. That said, I just don't like opponents of abortion getting accused of having a false moral agenda, simply because they have different morals than I do. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I've done some work with Downs people, and yes, they can have fulfilling happy lives. So I think Richard Dawkins' stance is a little extreme on this. However, to be honest, if by some misfortune I fell pregnant at my age I would have serious doubts as to whether to go through a healthy pregnancy. If the child was disabled in any way I would most likely not go through with it. There is more to being Down's than just mental retardation, which for an older couple is concern enough. Would I be capable of taking care of a retarded person as I go into my 60s or 70s? Downs people often have other health issues such as heart problems. I could not do it...and at my age there is more of a risk of me having a Downs child to start with. So even though the decision would be heart breaking and terrible, I would not carry a Downs child to term. Hell, I would have to think very seriously about carrying a healthy child to term. I've raised my children, I know exactly how hard it is. I really do not want to start over again. Nope Nope Nope. My friend has a severely (and I mean severely) disabled child. He is trisomy 22 I think. He wasn't supposed to live past 18 months. He is now 15. He is blind. Deaf. Severely retarded. He is like a giant baby that never grew up. She loves him to death, but her life has been so hard. The child has had to undergo many painful surgeries as his bones have grown into his body and threatened his organs. In the end she made the incredibly brave decision to put him in care because she was simply not capable of taking care of him. She has another son with actual ADHD (not what people think ADHD is) and could not care for him properly and his older brother. I think she is a hero and know that I could never go through what she did and remain sane. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't force anyone to do it. This whole subject is a minefield and I'm glad that as a mere male, I don't have to draft any legislation upon it. I don't think anyone should. Reality Internet Personality |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Richard Dawkins says it would be immoral not to abort, others disagree. Downs Agreed. There are always men from one side or another who like to tell women what to do. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30726 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
There are always men from one side or another who like to tell women what to do. There are always people who like to tell other people how to run their lives. Busybodies. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
There are always men from one side or another who like to tell women what to do. Well its the ones with power that do the most damage. In our society that happens to be white men. Reality Internet Personality |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19129 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
There are always men from one side or another who like to tell women what to do. How many women try to re-mold their male partners? My first ex left because when something major changed in my career, she jumped because I did not go the way she wanted. Funny really because about 12 years later another event happened and I utterly destroyed her next husbands career, who she probably did re-mold. It probably works both ways you know. P.S. When I destroyed next husbands career, I didn't know he was her husband. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30726 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
P.S. When I destroyed next husbands career, I didn't know he was her husband. Karma is a bitch. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Change every negative reference you make, in these Threads, from White to Black, and Men to Women, the Moderator's would... Yep, The Mods would... because All The Mods are Women. Some Are More Manly than others. Yep. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
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