Mental health problems in the USA are a national disgrace that sadly does not have an easy solution. Again, too many bleeding heart liberal influences make effective treatment nigh unto impossible in a great many cases.

Major the problem is not so much the liberals as it is the lack of will to fund what needs to be done. The no new tax people have spoken.

No, it was the courts. Some BHL got a shyster to scream that the mentally ill had more rights than society did. A bunch of old men fell for the claptrap, and the result is what we have to live. Only time will tell it that is a better result than the political Gulags of other places.

Yes the courts did free many of the mentally ill from incarceration but there are other ways to treat them and they are not being funded.

It wasn't just that they freed them, but they also gave them the right to refuse treatment. You can't treat someone who refuses, money or not.

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It wasn't just that they freed them, but they also gave them the right to refuse treatment. You can't treat someone who refuses, money or not.

In most places you can if they are a danger to themselves or to others.

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Welfare state another lie from the right wing .

Let's see you have a limit on unemployment 18 months i believe .

No limit here but there is what is called mutual obligation witch does mean you have to prove your looking and can't say no to any job if you wish to recieve the dole . In your country after 18 months you only have crime .
The GFC proved that people don't have control over weather they have a job or can even find one .

Oh right you can always work it just means you work for nothing .

Single mothers with children not going to school get a different payment but once the kids are going to high school they have to find a job .

Disability well yes you do have that just not the other things like public housing free medical except the charity's which means people have to beg . Other wise if you did there would not be so many people on the streets .

As for pensions well they won't be around for much longer as we fix'd that problem 30 years ago .

so no welfare state mate no such thing

And social security is more than just a payment .

But yes i stand corrected you do have social security things like food stamps witch is very degrading for those that need it realy good for someones self esteem and getting them of there butt as it's so easy to do stuff like that when you are depressed and suicidal , and it does not cost money to find a job does it .

And it still cost only 1/4 of what it costs your country to lock everyone up in jail witch to me is DUMB & DUMBER

So you keep pushing the right wing fascist ideology as it has helped you stay so strong right . 16 trillion in dept and counting . When your on a winner stick to it right .......not

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food stamps

Funny, when I google that term I don't get any hits for a "food stamps" program. You do need to keep up with the times. There hasn't been a "food stamps" program here in over a decade.

If you aren't up on current events, you can't intelligently discuss them.

Getting a bit dated, but a good starting point http://www.budget.senate.gov/republican/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=34919307-6286-47ab-b114-2fd5bcedfeb5 for a discussion in another thread.

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It wasn't just that they freed them, but they also gave them the right to refuse treatment. You can't treat someone who refuses, money or not.

In most places you can if they are a danger to themselves or to others.

Yes, but until they actually commit an overt act, it is all talk and hot air. Unfortunately, talk and hot air is not a danger.

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Good Gary maybe there is hope yet . No body like's social security but in a modern world it is a necessity for a safe community .

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Well let's not mention Social Security that you don't have

We have Social Security. Oh wait, you don't mean Social Security, you mean Welfare State. When you say Social Security to an American it means Old Age Pension to you. I suspect the rest of your post has much the same issue of sharing a common language but not being able to communicate.

Glenn ment Social Security not Welfare State.
Thats two very different concepts.
Old Age Pension is neither Social Security or something you get for free in a Welfare State.
Old Age Pension are delayed wages, nothing else.

No hits on google for "food stamps USA"?
I get 996 hits.
https://www.google.se/#q=%22food+stamps+USA%22

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP),[1] formerly known as the Food Stamp program, provides food-purchasing assistance for low- and no-income people living in the U.S. It is a federal aid program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, under the Food and Nutrition Service (FNS), though benefits are distributed by each U.S. state's Division of Social Services or Children and Family Services.

A record 20% of American households, one in five, were on food stamps in 2013, according to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).
The numbers also show there was a record number of individuals on food stamps in 2013 and that the cost of the program, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), was at an all-time high.

Poverty often leads to crimes....

witch came first the chicken or the egg ?

Maybe if there was gun control the cops would not expect every call to end up with a shooting .

So maybe you lot need to understand that to many guns is a major part of the problem

So witch came first the guns or the shootings ?

After all people where there around before the guns , oh right people kill not guns so around around you go .

witch came first the chicken or the egg ? BLah BLah BLah

and you lot put a man on the moon .

The egg, by several million years! Where does that fit into your analogy?

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Introduced in 1873, no Colt revolver has earned greater fame than the Single Action Army®, The Peacemaker®.
"The Gun That Won the West".


I wonder why it's called Peacemaker and why so many civilians used it...

I wonder why it's called Peacemaker and why so many civilians used it...

It was cheap , easy to use and deadly , and probably got it name because when you wanted peace and quiet you just shoot the person or person's disturbing you .

The local law person was a sheriff . who may have been appointed or elected and was paid by the local council and the Mayor was also elected and was usually the man with the most money and that meant the sheriff was possibly corrupt so no one would get arrested if you killed someone whom wasn't liked much by the towns people .

Not much has changed only the weapon can now fire more rounds the police are still underpaid and the corruption is still there or at least that is what it seems like .

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More guns does seem to lead to more killing.

"Between 2008 and 2011 there were 14 lethal shootings by police in Australia."

Note police in Australia are armed.

"Between 2008 and 2012 there were 9 fatal police shootings in the UK, despite having double the population of Australia .

The UK primarily operates on the model of general duties police not being armed. They rely instead on backup from armed response teams if the need for lethal force arises. Authorisation to use lethal force is vested in senior officers."

It is human nature, police or not, if you have a gun and feel threatened you will likely use it.

Guns are a fact of life, if the majority of people in the US wish to keep laws allowing legal gun ownership that is really up to them, it is a freedom they cherish. At the same time they have to live with the fact if you allow legal guns illegal ones are much harder to find and control.

So people will continue to die by both illegal and legal guns, by both police and criminals.

It will take and huge shift in attitudes to change it for the better.

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It was cheap , easy to use and deadly , and probably got it name because when you wanted peace and quiet you just shoot the person or person's disturbing you.

I see:)
But it was also used by cowboys when they drew cow herds through the US.
Sometimes cows break their legs and must be put to Death.

Note police in Australia are armed.

yes Burnie they are and the cops in one state are more likely to shoot first but then they where the ones that had to be drag'd kicking and screaming to have there gun laws changed to comply with the rest of the country .

And then there are the officers that just panic.

Americans think we don't understand but we do here's just one reason the laws have been changed and to think a simular thing just happen'd in America

aka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milperra_massacre wiki link and

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/bikie-war-between-the-bandidos-and-comcheros-left-seven-dead-at-the-milperra-fathers-day-massacre/story-fni0ffnk-1227044179091 Herald Sun Paper report .

and finally the 60 minutes report at you tube .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nFKnEwU4MI

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There are many dangerous and violent people around. Thats why police officers have guns.
Clips from Stockholm and Varberg Sweden.

Idiot gets shot down by police after an act of madness with the knife.
An old lady dies and two others were seriously injured.
One was a child.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPknu1Iuc08

Another crazy guy with a knife.
He is laughing when a police officer are giving him help to stop his bleeding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSduY5pXy4g

Another crazy guy with a knife.
He is laughing when a police officer are giving him help to stop his bleeding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSduY5pXy4g

That one is a good example of what i'm going on about with guns . In America it would not have been a knife but a gun would most likely have been used and so you can understand why the cops are way more aggressive over there .

If you notice the actions of the cops there all calm and not in a flight or fight mode even when one of the guys gets real close to a cop but the cop just pushes him away .

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If you notice the actions of the cops there all calm and not in a flight or fight mode even when one of the guys gets real close to a cop but the cop just pushes him away .

Hmmm
Last summer this happened at 5 o'clock in the morning in Stockholm.
The female cop is nothing but calm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xm3F0RvIEY

Janne i can't say as i can't understand what she and the guy was saying to tell if she went over the top .

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Janne i can't say as i can't understand what she and the guy was saying to tell if she went over the top .

I dont Think it's necessary to translate to see that she is both nervous and using excess force.
He was very drunk and acting very foolish.
However there is also prelude to this story.
He broke a shop window and was yelling "I will blow up this street".
I didnt know we had terrorists in Norrland, The northen part in Sweden".
At very least with his heavy accent.

He was very drunk and acting very foolish.
However there is also prelude to this story.
He broke a shop window and was yelling "I will blow up this street".

There's your answer drunk . Nothing worse than a twit whom is drunk and saying skit like that so i don't think she went over the top .

We have had a few people over the last couple of years king hit by someone and die and they where drunk .

Now if you king hit someone and they die you get charged with murder 1 and life in prison .

King hitting someone is when they hit them without provocation and when the person was not expecting it .They fall to the ground and hit there head on something and that kills them.

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There's your answer drunk . Nothing worse than a twit whom is drunk and saying skit like that so i don't think she went over the top .
We have had a few people over the last couple of years king hit by someone and die and they where drunk .
Now if you king hit someone and they die you get charged with murder 1 and life in prison .
King hitting someone is when they hit them without provocation and when the person was not expecting it .They fall to the ground and hit there head on something and that kills them.

My Point is that some police officers are not fit to work in the streets dealing with maniacs.
She is one of them. A former friend of mine also.
He lost his job because he drank to much and got arrested for drunk and drive.