Black children are not even safe from police violence at a pool party

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Reality Internet Personality

The slight problem I have with these forums is when someone "quotes" another poster, the original posters ID is lost, not a problem when it is only a couple of posts apart.

However when a post is re-quoted multiple times with additions and commissions each time the original posters' ID can be harder to see, and sometimes the original meaning gets totally lost.

Especially when as in this case the first quote misunderstood the original post.

You could try clicking the "in response to Message 1706487" link

Yes I tried that but unfortunately in this case as there are "in post" quotes added it does not lead you back to the original post.

There is the search feature .....

I do believe filter trumps search.
It still doesn't explain the gluons fused to two different discussions of Muslims under 18.

It still doesn't explain the gluons fused to two different discussions of Muslims under 18.

Think a cursing discussion erupted from http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76199&postid=1688640
Anyway the threading sucks, much prefer a newsreader to a BBS.

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It still doesn't explain the gluons fused to two different discussions of Muslims under 18.

Think a cursing discussion erupted from http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76199&postid=1688640

My post. Rascim is different in different countries.
My story is an indicent I saw when a muslim teenager was kicking a ball right in the face of a gypsy women begger. Intentional!

Five days ago this...
http://www.dn.se/sthlm/tiggare-attackerad-med-syra-1/

A man threw acid in the face of two gypsy Romanian Citizens and beggars in Berzelii Park in central Stockholm on Friday. One of them received hospital treatment for facial injuries. Yet on Saturday night had no arrest occurred.
- The liquid was thrown by a man who disappeared in the direction of the promenade. Two people, a man and a woman, were taken to hospital by ambulance, said Stockholm police communicator Towe Hägg.

Black children are not even safe from police violence at a pool party

Everyone needs to watch CAREFULLY the video of this occurrence just prior to the point where the officer draws his weapon. If you do you will see two young men, one white, one black, edge around behind the officer and move towards him.

Were they going for his weapon? Who knows, but the fact is the officer probably felt he was being threatened with that very thing and drew the weapon TO PREVENT IT BEING TAKEN by one of the ‘approachers’.

Did he use excessive physical force on the young lady? Yes. But she had refused to comply with his lawful command to leave the area.

Did he prevent a horrible use of his service weapon? Remains to be determined, but watch the video again with those two young men in mind and reflect on what YOU would have done in the officer’s shoes.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mckinney-texas-officer-leave-after-wild-pool-party-video-surfaces-n371281

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Everyone needs to watch CAREFULLY the video of this occurrence just prior to the point where the officer draws his weapon. If you do you will see two young men, one white, one black, edge around behind the officer and move towards him.

Were they going for his weapon? Who knows, but the fact is the officer probably felt he was being threatened with that very thing and drew the weapon TO PREVENT IT BEING TAKEN by one of the ‘approachers’.

The guy was on a pool party with a bunch of teenagers. If he felt seriously threatened by those two teenage boys it is a sign he let the whole thing escalate. Thats messed up policing. In any other country with any half competent police force, the police would have broken up the whole pool party peacefully and none of this would have even happened.

On top of that, the guy has a taser and mace. Perhaps point that at a bunch of teenagers before you start pointing a gun at people who were just attending a pool party. They clearly aren't armed violent criminals.

Did he use excessive physical force on the young lady? Yes. But she had refused to comply with his lawful command to leave the area.

That does in no way excuse excessive physical force.

Did he prevent a horrible use of his service weapon? Remains to be determined, but watch the video again with those two young men in mind and reflect on what YOU would have done in the officer’s shoes.

I would not have been in his shoes or in his situation. I would have not let the situation escalate to the point where any of what you see on that video would have been necessary. Again, anywhere else in the world the police can break up a pool party without the use of force.

I would not have been in his shoes or in his situation. I would have not let the situation escalate to the point where any of what you see on that video would have been necessary. Again, anywhere else in the world the police can break up a pool party without the use of force.

I take it from the authority with which you speak you are presently or formerly a police officer who has face a similar situation.......

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Everyone needs to watch CAREFULLY the video of this occurrence just prior to the point where the officer draws his weapon. If you do you will see two young men, one white, one black, edge around behind the officer and move towards him.
Were they going for his weapon? Who knows, but the fact is the officer probably felt he was being threatened with that very thing and drew the weapon TO PREVENT IT BEING TAKEN by one of the ‘approachers’.
Did he use excessive physical force on the young lady? Yes. But she had refused to comply with his lawful command to leave the area.
Did he prevent a horrible use of his service weapon? Remains to be determined, but watch the video again with those two young men in mind and reflect on what YOU would have done in the officer’s shoes.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mckinney-texas-officer-leave-after-wild-pool-party-video-surfaces-n371281

Isn't obvious that there are two police officers on the scene?
One that are trying to reasoning with the kids and the other one is using brute force.
The bad police officer Draws his gun when some guys are approching him to prevent his gun being taken...
I don't buy that.

I take it from the authority with which you speak you are presently or formerly a police officer who has face a similar situation.......

Its policing 101. Deescalate the situation, if that proves impossible, call for back up. Use non lethal options first. Drawing your gun is a last resort option. Honestly, the American military has stricter policies on when and how guns should be used by troops deployed in other countries. They would make a better police force than the American police.

Isn't obvious that there are two police officers on the scene?

2 police officers controlling 100+ unruly and violent teenagers who have destroyed private property, engaged in fights, totally ignored private security guards(the reason the police were called in the 1st place).

Unless you WERE THERE or until ALL VIDEO of the incident can be viewed you NOR I can definitively say what actually occurred. I AGREE the officer used excessive physical force on the young lady to effect compliance with his orders. Keep in mind, earlier footage from this same video shows that officer KNOCKED DOWN to the ground prior to this incident.

Walk a mile in their shoes! There is a VERY THIN blue line between innocent, law abiding citizens and murderous barbarians. When you make those keepers of the peace afraid to do their jobs you bring about a state of anarchy as now exists in Baltimore, MD. A 50% increase in BLACK ON BLACK murders since Freddie Gray, again BLACK ON BLACK!

The next time you are confronted by a violent criminal, if you distrust the police, call Al Sharpton or Barack Obama, I'm sure they'll come running....for the publicity......

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

I take it from the authority with which you speak you are presently or formerly a police officer who has face a similar situation.......

Its policing 101. Deescalate the situation, if that proves impossible, call for back up. Use non lethal options first. Drawing your gun is a last resort option. Honestly, the American military has stricter policies on when and how guns should be used by troops deployed in other countries. They would make a better police force than the American police.

Again, I take it you are or were a police officer?

Reply: "Chirp, Chirp, Chirp"...........

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Again, I take it you are or were a police officer?

Reply: "Chirp, Chirp, Chirp"...........

Do you need to be a police officer to recognize bad policing? No I don't think so. This 'you aren't a cop so you don't know what youre talking about' is just a lame way of trying to dismiss arguments and opinions you don't like. But whatever, thats your problem.

I take it from the authority with which you speak you are presently or formerly a police officer who has face a similar situation.......

Its policing 101. Deescalate the situation, if that proves impossible, call for back up. Use non lethal options first. Drawing your gun is a last resort option. Honestly, the American military has stricter policies on when and how guns should be used by troops deployed in other countries. They would make a better police force than the American police.

Again, I take it you are or were a police officer?

Reply: "Chirp, Chirp, Chirp"...........

I've been at events where 100s of teenagers have literally been robbing people and I've never seen the police behaving like this.

There really is no excuse.

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Reality Internet Personality

2 police officers controlling 100+ unruly and violent teenagers who have destroyed private property, engaged in fights, totally ignored private security guards(the reason the police were called in the 1st place).

They are teenagers. They are not violent. They are PITA.
If a police force cant handle this situation without using brute force...
Then what?

Again, I take it you are or were a police officer?

Reply: "Chirp, Chirp, Chirp"...........

Do you need to be a police officer to recognize bad policing? No I don't think so. This 'you aren't a cop so you don't know what youre talking about' is just a lame way of trying to dismiss arguments and opinions you don't like. But whatever, thats your problem.

So you admit you have never personally been in a confrontational situation as a figure of authority.

No it's everybody's problem, knee jerking doesn't help any situation. What I've said is reserve judgement until ALL THE FACTS ARE KNOWN! To immediately decide there was no reason for the officer to draw his weapon without knowing the entire story is both dangerous and stupid.

If there was no valid explanation of his actions he will be appropriately disciplined. Give him SOME CREDIT, NO ONE WAS SHOT OR INJURED. You have a right to your opinion but consider the fact you have NO PERSONAL experience to form that opinion, and in that light that's how much weight should be given your opinion.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

2 police officers controlling 100+ unruly and violent teenagers who have destroyed private property, engaged in fights, totally ignored private security guards(the reason the police were called in the 1st place).

You mean that white lady that started yelling racist slurs at the teens there who where there on invitation and had every legal right to be there? And if it really were a 100 teenagers who were rioting, what idiot only dispatches 2 officers to quell what apparently is a riot?

Unless you WERE THERE or until ALL VIDEO of the incident can be viewed you NOR I can definitively say what actually occurred. I AGREE the officer used excessive physical force on the young lady to effect compliance with his orders. Keep in mind, earlier footage from this same video shows that officer KNOCKED DOWN to the ground prior to this incident.

He wasn't knocked down, he tripped when he was running around. And the girl he forced to the ground he moments before that told to move away, which was exactly what she was doing. And then he just attacks her. So he needed to use force to get her to comply with an order? The order was for her to keep moving, not to sit down.

The video is very clear, if the guy felt threatened, it was only because he was actively making the situation worse. At the start of the video you can see a bunch of teens talk to a different officer and he responded in a much calmer, reasonable way, and the teens were not screaming or fighting or anything. Then he barges in and starts yelling against people and telling them to sit down and stop moving. He was clearly escalating rather than deescalating the situation.

Walk a mile in their shoes! There is a VERY THIN blue line between innocent, law abiding citizens and murderous barbarians.

Right...

Well if cops think like that it is no surprise that they end up shooting this many innocent people. They treat everyone like a potential murderer who is just seconds away from killing them. Although, when I say they treat everyone like a potential murderer I really mean they treat every black person as a potential murderer. If you are white you first have to prove you are a danger to them by actually attacking them.

Мишель, we have had these differences before. You cannot allow yourself to consider another viewpoint.

You mean that white lady that started yelling racist slurs at the teens there who where there on invitation and had every legal right to be there?

Why didn't the offended parties call the police on her?

The video is very clear, if the guy felt threatened, it was only because he was actively making the situation worse. At the start of the video you can see a bunch of teens talk to a different officer and he responded in a much calmer, reasonable way, and the teens were not screaming or fighting or anything. Then he barges in and starts yelling against people and telling them to sit down and stop moving. He was clearly escalating rather than deescalating the situation.

That's the problem with society today, you judge the world on a 30 second video and not the entire situation and the 15 minutes preceding the video. Knee jerk reactions only lead to situations like Baltimore and Ferguson.

Well if cops think like that it is no surprise that they end up shooting this many innocent people.

Michael Brown was not innocent. He was a bully who ended his own life. Freddie Grey was not shot,

I really mean they treat every black person as a potential murderer.

, and three of the charged officers in that death were Black.

I'm sure your sentiment is shared by the 47 murder victims in Baltimore in the last 30 days and their families(sarcasm). No cops=no crime(more sarcasm). Oh and 45 of those murdered were black. Where's Al Sharpton? Why is there no outcry for justice for them? [edit source cited] http://data.baltimoresun.com/bing-maps/homicides/index.php?range=30&district=all&zipcode=all&age=all&gender=all&race=all&cause=all&article=all&show_results=Show+results

Because they are Hypocrites. Because they cannot profit from black deaths that do not have a racial component. Black on Black deaths don't matter to Al or Barrack or Erick Holder or Rom Emannuel or DeBlasio. Because they cannot gain publicity or financially from those cases. That dirty little fact is ignored.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

That's the problem with society today, you judge the world on a 30 second video and not the entire situation and the 15 minutes preceding the video.

The 15 minutes preceding are not relevant in this case.
One police officer are clearly abusing a teenager.
Here we have another case when a silly drunk person are abused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xm3F0RvIEY

btw This is off topic. This has nothing to do with racism.

I really mean they treat every black person as a potential murderer.

btw This is off topic. This has nothing to do with racism.

Really?

Here we have another case when a silly drunk person are abused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xm3F0RvIEY

Stupidity is usually it's own reward.

When you receive a direct order, from a police officer or someone else in authority, the best thing to do for your OWN safety is to comply as you are required to do by law. Any other action is resistance or failure to comply.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

I really mean they treat every black person as a potential murderer.

btw This is off topic. This has nothing to do with racism.

Really?

Here we have another case when a silly drunk person are abused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xm3F0RvIEY

Stupidity is usually it's own reward.

When you receive a direct order, from a police officer or someone else in authority, the best thing to do for your OWN safety is to comply as you are required to do by law. Any other action is resistance or failure to comply.

Strange. When I quote your post I get this.