So, after 12 years of doing Seti@home I now have the knowledge that moderation in the Politics forum is supposed to be slightly more relaxed than some other places.

Should not the opposite be true? Freedom of expression does not necessarily mean or imply the inclusion or exclusion of bad jokes.

We all happen to know about the battle of sexes which is happening all the time.

Most Western societies and definitely Muslim states are regarding rape of women a criminal offense which should be prosecuted by the justice system.

In some instances the justice system chooses to make such a fact quite clear by means of finishing its improper business in an orderly and fashioned way.

Rape is not an excuse for everything. It is being carried out by people who may be mentally out of balance or perhaps suffering from an alchohol or other psychologically related problem.

There are many women who may not know about the meaning of the word "Yes".

Many males are probably around well aware that they most likely "blew their day" because their admiration, knee-walking and nice words at times apparently did not lead anywhere.

Women are always supposed to be the winners, or at least being in charge when it comes to certain decision making or choice selection.

Still, they are supposed to be inferior to males when it comes to physical characteristics and behavior and there may be times when even harsh words or a negative attitude may not be able to resolve particular situations or even an argument.

When an old member of a given family is passing away, the church ceremony is supposed to be playing back the theme "Love from God".

If you happen to be a child when such a thing is happening, at least do not cry and next wipe your eyes.

Moderation is supposed to be about contents, not people or their possible contributions toward a project or perhaps a specific goal.

Except for that, you may always be able to meet the old crap who is supposed to be ruining your day.

Anyway, should I perhaps pay some respect for people who may be having some credits here?

Or does it more get down to a general reputation, or maybe knowledge, when it comes to specific people and their behavior.

Regardless of opinion or behavior, it is always up to the moderator if I happen to be sent on a two-week or more leave or vacation.

The project is still running and noone is ever going to miss my presence.

God night!

It is the innocence which constitutes the crime.

A long read. Worth the time. I knew which thread it best-suited, and then I got to the end.

Amazing article that sums up so much. A poster here trued the expalain it in a thread entitled "economics" but it is hard to educate in the face of willful ignorance. The truth is too uncomfortable for some.

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I'm White, and I KNOW NOTHING.

Lead, who'd a Thunk 'it'?

SICK of Your Blame Games.

I'm White, and I DON'T CARE.

Yep.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

It is the innocence which constitutes the crime.

A long read. Worth the time. I knew which thread it best-suited, and then I got to the end.

Amazing article that sums up so much. A poster here trued the expalain it in a thread entitled "economics" but it is hard to educate in the face of willful ignorance. The truth is too uncomfortable for some.

Thank you for directing me to that. I didn't get that far back in my reading.

I did read this one soon after joining seti. Same poster, same excellence.

I was trying to work out what some threads were about. Glad I persevered.

Yup, Cliff has made some excellent posts on this topic, however, it is hard for white males to accept the reality of the situation without feeling that they are somehow being blamed for it. The defences go up and the debates are usually shut down pretty quickly or taken off topic.

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It is the innocence which constitutes the crime.

A long read. Worth the time. I knew which thread it best-suited, and then I got to the end.

Amazing article that sums up so much. A poster here trued the expalain it in a thread entitled "economics" but it is hard to educate in the face of willful ignorance. The truth is too uncomfortable for some.

Thank you for directing me to that. I didn't get that far back in my reading.

I did read this one soon after joining seti. Same poster, same excellence.

I was trying to work out what some threads were about. Glad I persevered.

Yup, Cliff has made some excellent posts on this topic, however, it is hard for white males to accept the reality of the situation without feeling that they are somehow being blamed for it. The defences go up and the debates are usually shut down pretty quickly or taken off topic.

You were born, therefore you have sin, or so says the Catholics. How is this different than, you were born white therefore you are guilty? Can you blame people for seeing the statement as religious dogma? If you said your parents (ancestors) were/are filthy scum, that is different.

I know there has to be someone, living, to blame. The rage and hate has to be expressed on living flesh. Much like the Arabs and the Jews are still fighting over a punch thrown two thousand years age. And if we aren't adult enough to get beyond blame the outcome will be identical.

As to violence, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75530&postid=1677452

So just how much is the west culpable in the creation of groups like Isis?

Good job what that violence has done. Now if the riots don't win, will there be an equal reaction creating an ISIL in opposition? I wish Dr. King were alive to answer that. I suspect he knew.

I'm not going to tell you what to do. I just ask you think about your choice, long term and short term, before you act.

Education is the answer. Unfortunately that isn't a fast cure all. Some can't or won't accept that there is no pill to be given, no magic wand to be waved, that it will take generations, if indeed humans have generations considering global warming.

Now for an aside. I have a good friend who is teaching at a high school in urban Los Angeles area. I Won't out the school or the district. I'll just say my friend sees daily the issue. The school has over 1000 students enrolled. If the demographics I found online are correct less than 10 of those are white. The biggest issue he has is classroom discipline. Some of the children coming in to his class have not been taught by high school age how to sit still and be quiet and absorb information. Further they have learned that schools and teachers have no method to discipline them. Mom and Dad never show up at parent teacher events, don't care about suspensions, etc. It only takes one or two per classroom to destroy the learning for every child in that class. The time needed to deal with this takes 10 classroom days a semester away from lessons. That means every child hasn't gotten the same opportunity as the kids in a school where the students are well behaved.

Now perhaps the fault is the system's. Maybe at that school the lessons shouldn't be taught to students expected to sit at desks and listen to lectures. Perhaps the lessons should be taught where everyone is on their feet chanting as some churches do.

In case you are wondering many of the disruptive ones are already wealthy. They have found an employer for life and are making better money than the teachers. This is the sad state of affairs today in urban Los Angeles.

http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-lausd-college-prep-20150506-story.html

LAUSD college prep rule puts nearly 75% of 10th graders' diplomas at risk

As many as three-quarters of Los Angeles 10th-graders are at risk of being denied diplomas by graduation because they are not on track to meet rigorous new college prep class requirements.

This has prompted some in the L.A. Unified School District, including Supt. Ramon C. Cortines, to suggest reconsidering the requirements, which were approved a decade ago to better prepare students for college. The plan came after years of complaints that the nation's second-largest school system was failing to help underprivileged students become eligible for and succeed in college.

L.A. Unified received national attention with its college prep goals, which were approved in 2005. The district allotted 12 years to get there — the entire education of a child who entered the system at that time.

Students in the class of 2017 must earn a C grade or better in a set of courses aimed at making all seniors eligible to apply to the University of California and California State systems. These include four years of English and three years of math, including geometry and intermediate algebra.

Overall, officials said, students have been better served because of the mandate. For one thing, the full set of college preparatory classes has become available at all high schools.

Moreover, the percentage of students completing the minimum college prep curriculum has increased from 15% to 28%, said activists who reviewed district data.

And graduation rates have increased. Last year, the four-year graduation rate for 9th graders was 67% — the latest in a string of improving statistics.

Fewer than half of these graduates, however, would have met the 2017 standard.

Among about 37,000 students remaining in the class of 2017, only 26% are on track to graduate and 17% are repeating 9th grade, according to district research.

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Now for an aside. I have a good friend who is teaching at a high school in urban Los Angeles area. I Won't out the school or the district. I'll just say my friend sees daily the issue. The school has over 1000 students enrolled. If the demographics I found online are correct less than 10 of those are white. The biggest issue he has is classroom discipline. Some of the children coming in to his class have not been taught by high school age how to sit still and be quiet and absorb information.

Further they have learned that schools and teachers have no method to discipline them. Mom and Dad never show up at parent teacher events, don't care about suspensions, etc. It only takes one or two per classroom to destroy the learning for every child in that class. The time needed to deal with this takes 10 classroom days a semester away from lessons. That means every child hasn't gotten the same opportunity as the kids in a school where the students are well behaved.

But to be fair we are also seeing that sort of thing with white pupils over here in the UK. We have a whole generation of parents that have just switched off any responsibility for their kids in any way, and I think colour is only part of it.

Here it is economics or immigration. Mommy has no papers, she is undocumented. Daddy, may or may not have been able to come across the border or may be in jail. Granny, and the rest of the family is far away. Mommy has to work two or three part time jobs. She can't take a day off work to attend a parent teacher conference because part time workers have no benefits. The children are raised by the street, and that means the street gang.

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You were born, therefore you have sin, or so says the Catholics. How is this different than, you were born white therefore you are guilty? Can you blame people for seeing the statement as religious dogma? If you said your parents (ancestors) were/are filthy scum, that is different.

There is a difference between being guilty of what your ancestors did and still benefiting from it while denying that you do.

I know there has to be someone, living, to blame. The rage and hate has to be expressed on living flesh. Much like the Arabs and the Jews are still fighting over a punch thrown two thousand years age. And if we aren't adult enough to get beyond blame the outcome will be identical.

The people to blame are the ones that created this unequal system. Of course if it is not in your interest to fix it, then at the very least, stop blaming the people who suffer from it and recognise that you benefit from it.

As to violence, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75530&postid=1677452

So just how much is the west culpable in the creation of groups like Isis?

Good job what that violence has done. Now if the riots don't win, will there be an equal reaction creating an ISIL in opposition? I wish Dr. King were alive to answer that. I suspect he knew.

Oh dear, really? It does seem to me that you would rather blame others than try to find the causes of problems and fix them. How can you fix something if you refuse to see how it was broken?

I'm not going to tell you what to do. I just ask you think about your choice, long term and short term, before you act.

I do believe that has been my point all along. Think about the choice you make every day to ignore the role you play in keeping the status quo.

Education is the answer. Unfortunately that isn't a fast cure all. Some can't or won't accept that there is no pill to be given, no magic wand to be waved, that it will take generations, if indeed humans have generations considering global warming.

I am trying to educate you (plural). As you can see, it is a hard process because there is so much resistance.

Now for an aside. I have a good friend who is teaching at a high school in urban Los Angeles area. I Won't out the school or the district. I'll just say my friend sees daily the issue. The school has over 1000 students enrolled. If the demographics I found online are correct less than 10 of those are white. The biggest issue he has is classroom discipline. Some of the children coming in to his class have not been taught by high school age how to sit still and be quiet and absorb information. Further they have learned that schools and teachers have no method to discipline them. Mom and Dad never show up at parent teacher events, don't care about suspensions, etc. It only takes one or two per classroom to destroy the learning for every child in that class. The time needed to deal with this takes 10 classroom days a semester away from lessons. That means every child hasn't gotten the same opportunity as the kids in a school where the students are well behaved.

I think Chris has already touched on this, and having taught in many schools in deprived areas, I can assure you that poverty isn't about colour. Except in America for some reason. Ever ask yourself what in your history might have caused one segment of your population to be more likely to be stuck in poverty?

Now perhaps the fault is the system's. Maybe at that school the lessons shouldn't be taught to students expected to sit at desks and listen to lectures. Perhaps the lessons should be taught where everyone is on their feet chanting as some churches do.

I don't need to guess, too many studies have shown the link between poverty and poor behaviour and school attainment. The article that tami posted even talked about studies done on poor black children regarding lead poisoning. Of course malnutrition affects brain development (many black areas are what is called food deserts, areas so poor it is hard to get decent fresh food). Then of course there are other factors that always go hand in hand with poverty, drugs, alcohol, crime. Then if you are black there is the added problem that you don't even need to commit a crime to end up in trouble with the police.

So lets step out of our safe white world and imagine we are a black child growing up in a world that where white people obviously hate you. This is shown because white people are the authority figures, like the police. These authority figures are quite literally dangerous to you. An encounter with one may actually kill you. What other authority figures are in their lives? Well parents, but trust me, you'd be surprised how little parents can actually do without support. Especially if they are trying to deal with the daily grind of poverty. All around you the media, magazines, television, movies etc portray you in a negative way. Black people are so often cast as drug dealers that it is a running joke in Hollywood. So what other authority figures are around? Teachers? Over worked, underpaid, most of the white and probably some of them are a little bit racist. They may mean well, but secretly think their students are inferior for the reason's you've laid out. The school represents the white society which we already know, doesn't like them. Why would these students trust white teachers? What have white people ever done for them?

What other things do people rely on to keep them engaged in society? How about history? Wisdom passed down through generations. or even money passed down through generations? All of these have been decimated if you are a black-American because of the legacy of Slavery and then Jim-Crow. Black people weren't allowed to even get in the game. Also remember, this game you want them to get into is rigged against them because of racism. Apply for a job with excellent qualifications? The white candidate is more likely to get it. That is a fact.

So who is providing something for them? These gang leaders? They are the only ones providing them with something. It may be a sh*t something, it may end up getting them killed, but when you have nothing, something is better than nothing. You say they are rich? By what standards? The average gang member is not rich. They earn more than minimum wage at McDonalds, but that's not rich.

Its so easy to judge and blame when its not you being faced with an endless list of difficult decisions. Despite this, many black people do mange to get on do well, but it is despite us, not because of us.

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Es99 and I have crossed swords many a time, and no doubt we will do so again. And, at the present moment, I am not exactly her favourite person. Nevertheless, that was cracking post from her, which I am quite happy to acknowledge.

But, I have made a statement many times that "White people just don't like black people" and particularly white Americans. But nobody yet has come up with an answer as to why. It is the colour of their skin, their accent, their body language, customs, WHAT???

Pig headed , stubborn , religon in the bible belt , KKK , stupidaty take your pick !!!!

I was Walking our dog today.
We met a bunch of kids. All of them are immigrants.
They was very happy to see our dog and wanted to play with her.
The thing is that most of them are from the middle east (muslims).
One girl who said she is from Iraq said that there are many stray dogs there but her father took care of one. Thats very uncommon.
An other girl who was very black wanted to hold the leech and I let her do it.
Everyone laughed and wanted me coming back soon. Yes tomorrow.

We should listen to our kids more often:)
And not tell them what to Think...

Ã…sa Romson the Green party...
First, she compared the refugee disasters in the Mediterranean with Auschswitz. And when she should apologize, she called Romanis Gypsies - twice. "It should not happen," says Feminist Initiative Soraya Post, who herself is Romani.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fsverige%2Fromson-kallade-romer-for-zigenare-tva-ganger%2F&edit-text=
Suddenly the Word Gypsy is a bad Word...
I smell "Politic Correctness".

Will this song be banned?
Gipsy Eyes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwRDEKL2GrY

There has been a lot of racist discrimination against the Gypsies. I have seen proof myself of it from the British Government.

Hitler murdered them as he murdered he Jews.

The term Gypsy does have racist roots, and if a Romany person finds it offensive they may well have good reason to.

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There has been a lot of racist discrimination against the Gypsies. I have seen proof myself of it from the British Government.
Hitler murdered them as he murdered he Jews.
The term Gypsy does have racist roots, and if a Romany person finds it offensive they may well have good reason to.

I have met some romanis both in school and at work and they haven't objected to be called gypsies.
The Word romani is a new Word to us first documented in 1996 in an encyklopedia.
A romani family live next door to us.
They still use traditional clothes:)
And Katarina Taikon wrote these books.
Gypsy Woman. Stockholm: Wahlström & Widstrand. 1963. Libris 22895
Gypsies are we. Stockholm: time. 1967. Libris 807276
As romani she was also active in the public debate on the Swedish Romani rights. Like most Romani of her generation, she had not gone to school as a child, but learned to read and write first in adolescence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katarina_Taikon

There has been a lot of racist discrimination against the Gypsies. I have seen proof myself of it from the British Government.
Hitler murdered them as he murdered he Jews.
The term Gypsy does have racist roots, and if a Romany person finds it offensive they may well have good reason to.

Agree.

If one White person are called a pale person or biege.
Are anyone upset then?
If one White person are called Svenne. (Svenne is what immigrants call Swedes)
Are anyone upset then?
I can't get this job because I'm black applying for spokesman to Queen Elisabeth of England. (Lenny Henry)
Are anyone upset then?

Premisses is sometimes used to distinguish the logical term, but premises is more common. There was allegedly a professor who continued to lecture during an air-raid even though plaster was falling from the walls, till the chairman said "I'm afraid I must stop you there, our premises will not sustain your conclusion."

Perhaps it slipped your mind whilst you were looking up "premise", but you didn't answer my questions. Now you have attained a basic grasp of them, perhaps you will.

I doubt he can. So much of what several posters here tout as truth is nothing but stereotypes. Perhaps resembling conditions in one town here or there, but utterly false in another town.

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Premisses is sometimes used to distinguish the logical term, but premises is more common. There was allegedly a professor who continued to lecture during an air-raid even though plaster was falling from the walls, till the chairman said "I'm afraid I must stop you there, our premises will not sustain your conclusion."

Perhaps it slipped your mind whilst you were looking up "premise", but you didn't answer my questions. Now you have attained a basic grasp of them, perhaps you will.

I doubt he can. So much of what several posters here tout as truth is nothing but stereotypes. Perhaps resembling conditions in one town here or there, but utterly false in another town.

That's very true. Some towns are very different from others, which might again be tied up in history. I did notice however, that in America there does seem to be more segregation than in other parts of the world. I don't think white people in general hate black people. I think there are undercurrents of prejudices that can cause snap judgements when not acknowledged. However, I think the real problem is indifference because the problems black people face are so alien to them.

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Suddenly the Word Gypsy is a bad Word...

Well, Wordweb does not include a (ethnic slur) as it does for the n word.

gypsy : A laborer who moves from place to place as demanded by employment
Gypsy 1 : The Indic language of the Gypsies
2 : A member of a people with dark skin and hair who speak Romany and who traditionally live by seasonal work and fortunetelling; they are believed to have originated in northern India but now are living on all continents (but mostly in Europe, North Africa, and North America)
gyp : A swindle in which you cheat at gambling or persuade a person to buy worthless property

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I met some guys int their 20's from the middle east this evening when Walking our dog Tosca.
Tosca was very exited to meet them.
One told me he mustn't meet dogs because then he have to wash his hands SEVEN times with "earth" water according to his religion.
The other one said he has a bull terrier.
But the first one said "That's because he is a Jew".
I said I was a "Svenne" and we all laughed:)

Suddenly the Word Gypsy is a bad Word...

Well, Wordweb does not include a (ethnic slur) as it does for the n word.

gypsy : A laborer who moves from place to place as demanded by employment
Gypsy 1 : The Indic language of the Gypsies
2 : A member of a people with dark skin and hair who speak Romany and who traditionally live by seasonal work and fortunetelling; they are believed to have originated in northern India but now are living on all continents (but mostly in Europe, North Africa, and North America)
gyp : A swindle in which you cheat at gambling or persuade a person to buy worthless property

Here the most Romani people speaks Finnish:)
Most of them call themself "The Roaming People" as in nomadic.
Like the Sami peoples in northern Sweden.
I wonder when the Word Laps will get bannished.
Lappland will cease to exist?

Michelle Obama: I was 'knocked back' by race perceptions

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Michelle Obama: I was 'knocked back' by race perceptions

one ] too many.