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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Skyping with the enemy: I went undercover as a jihadi girlfriend Some insight into how these jihadi's recruit western girls to go to Syria. Reality Internet Personality |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Clyde don't underestermate China . 1,500,000,000 people we export aprox 500,000,000 tons of Iron ore per year and they are not using it all but stockpiling it ?. 6 % of there economy today is not the same as last year so even thou it is not as high as 7-8% it doesn't need to be , it's all ready 10 trillion plus your 16 and you owe heaps they don't . The Art of war is to Plan for the Future . Access to the silk road , Islands in the South china Sea that where never there . the biggest Sea Lane in the World ? If there is no war then China will be the biggest economy Clyde . Not a Bubble economy They have plenty of there own raw materials We lost the economic war the moment we started doing business with them . I just hope they don't some how have boots on the ground in the middle East |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Understand I look at the Present, as if it is 1000/2000 years from now (how I taught). What is different, and similar, to 1000/2000 years ago, from today? Right, so you believe that nothing is similar yet nothing has changed as well. At least, that is what you literally just stated. That is an interesting take on history, but also immediately proves history is anything but your area of expertise. Most living today, as then: Believe they are different, and the outcome will be different. You don't know what people believe nor how it affects their handling of the situation they find themselves in. Understanding Historical Time Frames: Is to understand that Collapses, which appear to happen quickly - are a matter of decades. No collapse is permanent or total. Europes power has waned compared to the 19th century, but we are still around and a force to be reckoned with. China has 'collapsed' after it was one of the most powerful countries on the planet for thousands of years, and now they are back. Russia 'collapsed' after the fall of the Soviet Union, and while they have not completely recovered, they are still a major player on this planet. China, since it doesn't Control the 'means of their wealth', will end up like all the others. They too, didn't understand. Right, if anyone understands their base of power its China. I'm not to worried about their sudden collapse any time soon. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
And so people understand i was talking about the Old Silk Road . A Highway from China to the ocean via Pakistan , Afagaistan . Upgraded to a 4 lane Highway |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Historically, unless China can project its Military Power Internationally, and soon: They are, as many others in the past, subjected to the whims, and bad intentions, of other Countries and Interests. It can and has already done so in the past. During the Korean war, the Vietnam war, etc. Their army is large, modernizing rapidly, they have access to nuclear weapons and the delivery systems to use them as a deterrent. If it becomes necessary China is able to use brute force to protect its interests. Western Europe, has been living as a Protectorate, to the American Empire. Helps both sides. Western Europe does not have the International Military Capability to defend it's energy, or imports. That was left up to the American Empire, with its Powerful Navy, Air Force, and International Logistic Bases. This helped both sides economically, and also helped defend against another Expanding Empire (USSR). Nothing new since Sumeria. Yes it does have the military capacity to do so. Sure, we have been overly reliant on the US for the past few decades, but overly reliant does not mean we aren't capable to do anything without the US. It just means that if we have to respond to a crisis, we will be slower and less effective than the US. Although I expect this to change in the coming decades, thanks to Putin. The West has deep problems, but surmountable. China has deep, deep, systemic problems. Yes it has some systemic problems, problems it is currently doing its best to fix. And those problems are surmountable as well. Corruption and environmental degradation are problems that China can and will fix if it puts the effort into it, and its currently doing just that. Its lack of freedom and democracy are hardly problems given that China does not have a culture that promotes individualism and personal freedom, which are the key elements that make freedom and democracy work to a degree over here. As such, you can't rely on massive civil protests the moment the economic growth slows down, because even then the average Chinese will still be wealthier and more free than they have ever been in the past few thousand years. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Why is Chinese Leadership willing, as I believe, to engage in a Military Confrontation, with The USA, over 'New Islands'? Clyde the chineese think we wont attack them . Where not committed to the Middle East and piece there . North Korea do what they wont They need oil and so the next target is the middle east . Up untill now the only way for China to get oil or defend there interests was a 2 week boat trip . Once the Island , Airbase is built that will shorten the trip , and the silk highway will shorten it more . The South China Sea is a very strategic place for most of the worlds shipping . Your own polly's let the cat out off the bag , when they said the b-1 stealth boomers will be keep'd here on call so your gov must have concern's about what is happening Clyde there still a MARXSIST country , they may have capitalism but it's still a commy country just has more upper class communist's (hippocrites) |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
No. No its not, not even according to the definition you just gave there, and that definition of Fascism is woefully incomplete. What that bit describes is general authoritarianism, things that are common to all authoritarian regimes. 1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator. Technically correct, but incomplete. Fascism is extremely nationalistic at its core. The Fascist state is not just all encompassing in the sense that it controls all aspects of the economy and individuals behavior, as is standard in every authoritarian state, the Fascist state is all encompassing in the sense that it is the nation. For Fascists, there is only the state, which is also the nation, and which provides all meaning and value to life itself. Hence, conforming to what the state says is not the objective, its that everything that is done is done from a perspective of strengthening and supporting the state. In China though, the State is far from all encompassing. Yes it has a huge degree of control over the economy and the individual, but it is far from all encompassing, nor is the State the sole thing from which the Chinese derive meaning and value. 2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government. True, but only further proof that China doesn't fit your definition. China's implied goal is not the rule the world or even just a significant portion of it. Its policies aren't expansionist, its military for the most part confined to its direct sphere of influence in SE-Asia. 3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens. Again, true, but applicable to every authoritarian state. Its in the nature of authoritarian states to silence dissent. As I said, this definition of Fascism is incomplete. Real Fascism is extremely conservative in its outlook. It is the complete rejection of centuries of progress, which is why it rejects Liberalism and Marxism as decadent. It can also be seen in their gender and sexuality politics, with their rejection of homosexuality, birth control and women's rights. To them a good women makes babies for the state, while a good men represses his sexuality and emotions. Fascism is a patriarchy in an extreme form. Again, clearly not the case with China given their one child policies and at least theoretical lip service to the idea that men and women are equals. Finally, Fascism can't tolerate people who think. Its why they go after intellectuals. To a Fascist, good people don't think, they act, and by act they mean fight everyone who stands in your way. This hyperviolent outlook on life is part of the reason why they are such strong supporters of social darwinism and why they often pursue state expansionism through military violence. Again, say what you want about the Chinese, but they definitely do not promote an attitude that says fight first, ask questions second. So really, the only thing China has in common with Fascists is that they are both authoritarian regimes and share some of the common elements found in all authoritarian regimes. But when it comes to the philosophy behind it, US Neo-Cons have more in common with Fascists that the Chinese. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Benito Mussolini. who's that !! oh right that nutcase who follow'd Hitler , wasn't he hang'd by his own people so why would you listen to a dead man that was killed by his own people 70 odd years ago !! China is not what it was back then . |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Benito Mussolini. Alessandra Mussolini (born 30 December 1962) is an Italian politician, the granddaughter of Benito Mussolini, and previously an actress and model. She is since 2013 a member of the Italian Senate, elected for The People of Freedom which later became part of Forza Italia, and since 2014 a Member of the European Parliament for Forza Italia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandra_Mussolini She has been an outspoken feminist and has been described by conservative commentators as a "socialist" and a "left-winger". Italian politics are very weird to us Westeners:) Her aunt is Sophia Loren:) |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
I did not know Sophia Loren was connected to him Janne |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I did not know Sophia Loren was connected to him Janne Not to Benito but to Alessandra:) The actress Sophia Loren is her maternal aunt. "Strano" (strange) like they say in Italy. Bijî Kurdistan! |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Alessandra Mussolini (born 30 December 1962) is an Italian politician, the granddaughter of Benito Mussolini, and previously an actress and model. She is since 2013 a member of the Italian Senate, elected for The People of Freedom which later became part of Forza Italia, and since 2014 a Member of the European Parliament for Forza Italia. She also once said "Meglio fascista che frocio", which translates as 'it's better to be a fascist than be gay'. I hope i look that good when i reach 52 though. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
I hope i look that good when i reach 52 though. wow 52 she certainly has inherited something from Sofia then her looks and longevity . |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Of course, you are correct about everything. I am of course glad that you recognize that I'm right about everything :) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Alessandra Mussolini (born 30 December 1962) is an Italian politician, the granddaughter of Benito Mussolini, and previously an actress and model. She is since 2013 a member of the Italian Senate, elected for The People of Freedom which later became part of Forza Italia, and since 2014 a Member of the European Parliament for Forza Italia. She is a MEP and has some influence over all EU member states. Sound even more dangerous to me. About boat refugees she doesn't sound fascist or xenophobic... Alessandra Mussolini (PPE), in writing. - Finally the President Juncker admitted that Italy has been left alone and that the operation Mare Nostrum, which saw the contribution of Italy alone, was to become a European-funded by all Member States. But the most important point is also change Dublin Three, to ensure that there is a real European redistribution of migrants arriving on Italian shores. For the above reasons, I decided to strongly support this resolution. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/28429/ALESSANDRA_MUSSOLINI_home.html Which EU nutter should be charged with treason for importing terrorists and conspiracy to support acts of terrorism? Alessandra is on the list... https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/isis-terrorist-behind-massacre-of-21-tourists-at-tunisian-museum-arrested-in-italy-arriving-on-refugee-boat/comment-page-1/ |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Which EU nutter should be charged with treason for importing terrorists and conspiracy to support acts of terrorism? What a delightfully racist and hateful blog. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Which EU nutter should be charged with treason for importing terrorists and conspiracy to support acts of terrorism? Where are the delightfully racist comments in that blog? Maybe muslim hate Swedes and consider us a race. Cecilia Malmström is also on that list! Listen to the nutter Cecilia Malmstrom’s proposal to offer more avenues for violent Muslims and third worlders to enter Europe. The EU has brought in over 120 million people in the past 15 years, and they wonder why their government costs and welfare payments are escalating, housing access shrinking and why the economy is stagnant… But why do so many from Iraq come here? Thats the second largest immigrant group here after Finns. Säften Svenne. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
But why do so many from Iraq come here? ummmmmm your joking right :) But just in case your not maybe it's the war just maybe ! |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
But why do so many from Iraq come here? No I'm not joking. I meet them everyday when Walking our dog Tosca. Well. The kids anyway. I let them play with her despite their parents wish. According to some Imams, not the Koran, it's forbidden to touch dogs. If you have then you have to wash yourself seven times with water and mud. Different procedures by different Imams:) |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
No I'm not joking. I meet them everyday when Walking our dog Tosca. Well it would be the war i would say and ISIS |
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