Good v evil. Second law of thermodynamics?

Of course, we evolve to a (thermodynamic) equillibrium:) That's how the Universe wants it and does it too. Good and evil 'forces' if one wants to call them like that, have their own equillibrium.

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Good v evil. Second law of thermodynamics?

Of course, we evolve to a (thermodynamic) equillibrium:) That's how the Universe wants it and does it too. Good and evil 'forces' if one wants to call them like that, have their own equillibrium.

No thats not right.
Zeroth law of thermodynamics: If two systems are in thermal equilibrium with a third system, they must be in thermal equilibrium with each other. This law helps define the notion of temperature.
The thermodynamic equillibrium in the Universe has always been the same.
It's going to be the same to end of time.

Good v evil. Second law of thermodynamics?

Of course, we evolve to a (thermodynamic) equillibrium:) That's how the Universe wants it and does it too. Good and evil 'forces' if one wants to call them like that, have their own equillibrium.

No thats not right.
Zeroth law of thermodynamics: If two systems are in thermal equilibrium with a third system, they must be in thermal equilibrium with each other. This law helps define the notion of temperature.
The thermodynamic equillibrium in the Universe has always been the same.
It's going to be the same to end of time.

Ok, thanx Janne, I guess I was too concentrated on the equillibrium part...

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Yes that is an interesting link. However I think there is a very fine line between being a psychopath & a sociopath. After receiving some disturbing information last year, sought professional help for the 1st time in my life as I could not understand why the family continued with their jealousy & hatred for so long.

She helped more than she realised & one point she pointed out was a link to read at home. I read it & it answered many questions, but it still did not reduce the pain & heartache.

Physchology Today - May 2013: confessions of a sociopath

I found it scary on many levels. This woman is a lawyer & a Sunday school teacher - just what damage is she imparting to the children?

As for my emboldened quote - that report does not answer the question at all. It has been suggested that it is in the genes so my question still stands:

Why do some people's genes have such strong morality whiles others lack all morality & empathy?

What determines who gets what genes (& if someone mentions Parents, then the question still remains}.

Very interesting article.

I found out my ex was either a sociopath or psychopath (not sure which, the psychiatrist who called me wouldn't be specific) after we broke up. Everything made sense after I found that out. He was a pathological liar, so much so that I'm not sure now how much of his past is true. Just the stuff I could verify with his mother. He is not a killer though, but he can manipulate and switch on the charm when he wants to. I can see him ending up as a cult leader. He uses people, steals and ignores the law when it suits him. What is so surprising is how often this works out for him.

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What is so surprising is how often this works out for him.

That is what shook me up last year. Just how people like that can continue getting away with it & successfully at that.

To find not one but at least 3 in one's own family including one's mother...

What is so surprising is how often this works out for him.

That is what shook me up last year. Just how people like that can continue getting away with it & successfully at that.

To find not one but at least 3 in one's own family including one's mother...

Its more common that we realise. I think because most people here psychopath or sociopath and immediately think of a serial killer. He gets away with things because people don't believe that other people do stuff like that. He would just ignore the societal norms and rules that most of us follow in order to get along. I still hope that one day it will come back to bite him on the backside, but I have a feeling that it won't.

I had realised that the best way to deal with him was to just not engage, to get out of the relationship I had to cut my losses and give him what he wanted, because you cannot win a fight with someone like that. The minute he thought he had power over you in the slightest way he would try to use that to his advantage. There is no compromise with people like that. They just see it as weakness.

If you really do have family members like this, you simply need to not show them any weakness at all. Smile and nod and do not get involved.

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Thinking a bit, if we are all evil, why is there a word for evil? If it was universal then there shouldn't be a word "good."

Hmm... We have words for 'nothing' and 'something'.
But 'nothing' doesn't exit, so why is there a word for 'nothing'?
Now things starts to be very complex:)
Humans seems to use reasoning what is called dualism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism
Absolute dualism is a generic term for the belief system that thinks that the world is controlled by two opposing forces, usually a fully good such and a consistently evil force.
warm and cold.
good and evil.
left and right.

because you cannot win a fight with someone like that. The minute he thought he had power over you in the slightest way he would try to use that to his advantage. There is no compromise with people like that. They just see it as weakness.

Took me 20 years to realise that at great cost.

If you really do have family members like this, you simply need to not show them any weakness at all. Smile and nod and do not get involved.

Did that on March 30th this year, & since 28th April, the calls I've been getting from those who know them & myself & thought something was wrong as my temperament & character was totally at odds with what they were portraying.

They had to wait 30 years for the answers. Each & everyone stated well done. That shook me up also, as I was unaware as to just how much damage they had done.

Ah well, that old quote comes in handy here...

"better late than never".

The NeoCortex has to Constantly Battle The Lizard Brain and The Old Mammalian Brain.

If your NeoCortex is Damaged or Badly Formed, Evil can Take Hold. 'specially if you've Learned The Wrong Things.

I'm Battling Right Now.

I do hope your neocortex one day allows you to better connect your fingers to your brain and allow you to refine your typing skills.
Whether you realize it or not...or care.

Your betwixt and between posting style belittles what I think may be a fine mind.
You have opinions. And are certainly not an idiot. Why post like one.
Take this in stead, my friend.
You have castigated me many times for my posting abilities or lack of same at times.

I mean this to be a constructive suggestion to you.
Revise what you think might be humorous or amusing and start posting how you really think, man.
I believe you have a lot to offer without the nonsense of trying to glean what you are trying to say within the chaff.

You can do this, I know.

Give it a try, maybe?
It may mean giving up a little, but you can rise above that.

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msattler said:

I do hope your neocortex one day allows you to better connect your fingers to your brain and allow you to refine your typing skills.
Whether you realize it or not...or care.

Your betwixt and between posting style belittles what I think may be a fine mind.

You have opinions. And are certainly not an idiot. Why post like one.
Take this in stead, my friend.

You have castigated me many times for my posting abilities or lack of same at times.

I mean this to be a constructive suggestion to you.

Revise what you think might be humorous or amusing and start posting how you really think, man.

I believe you have a lot to offer without the nonsense of trying to glean what you are trying to say within the chaff.

You can do this, I know.

Give it a try, maybe?
It may mean giving up a little, but you can rise above that.

Dat Be Funny.

I Am Saying Wat I Tink. JEST Like You.

fO shO fOevA

Got...Whatever He Said?

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

The NeoCortex has to Constantly Battle The Lizard Brain and The Old Mammalian Brain.

If your NeoCortex is Damaged or Badly Formed, Evil can Take Hold. 'specially if you've Learned The Wrong Things.

I'm Battling Right Now.

I do hope your neocortex one day allows you to better connect your fingers to your brain and allow you to refine your typing skills.
Whether you realize it or not...or care.

Your betwixt and between posting style belittles what I think may be a fine mind.
You have opinions. And are certainly not an idiot. Why post like one.
Take this in stead, my friend.
You have castigated me many times for my posting abilities or lack of same at times.

I mean this to be a constructive suggestion to you.
Revise what you think might be humorous or amusing and start posting how you really think, man.
I believe you have a lot to offer without the nonsense of trying to glean what you are trying to say within the chaff.

You can do this, I know.

Give it a try, maybe?
It may mean giving up a little, but you can rise above that.

His posts are pure genius. Genius, I tell you, man! We bow before his mighty brain. May we ever hope to be able to post something one-tenth as brilliant as he.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

Thinking a bit, if we are all evil, why is there a word for evil? If it was universal then there shouldn't be a word "good."

Hmm... We have words for 'nothing' and 'something'.
But 'nothing' doesn't exit, so why is there a word for 'nothing'?
Now things starts to be very complex:)
Humans seems to use reasoning what is called dualism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism
Absolute dualism is a generic term for the belief system that thinks that the world is controlled by two opposing forces, usually a fully good such and a consistently evil force.
warm and cold.
good and evil.
left and right.

+1 You have my line of thinking on this matter, Janne:)

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The NeoCortex has to Constantly Battle The Lizard Brain and The Old Mammalian Brain.

If your NeoCortex is Damaged or Badly Formed, Evil can Take Hold. 'specially if you've Learned The Wrong Things.

I'm Battling Right Now.

I do hope your neocortex one day allows you to better connect your fingers to your brain and allow you to refine your typing skills.
Whether you realize it or not...or care.

Your betwixt and between posting style belittles what I think may be a fine mind.
You have opinions. And are certainly not an idiot. Why post like one.
Take this in stead, my friend.
You have castigated me many times for my posting abilities or lack of same at times.

I mean this to be a constructive suggestion to you.
Revise what you think might be humorous or amusing and start posting how you really think, man.
I believe you have a lot to offer without the nonsense of trying to glean what you are trying to say within the chaff.

You can do this, I know.

Give it a try, maybe?
It may mean giving up a little, but you can rise above that.

His posts are pure genius. Genius, I tell you, man! We bow before his mighty brain. May we ever hope to be able to post something one-tenth as brilliant as he.

Hi Sarge! Good to see you here:)

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Yes that is an interesting link. However I think there is a very fine line between being a psychopath & a sociopath. After receiving some disturbing information last year, sought professional help for the 1st time in my life as I could not understand why the family continued with their jealousy & hatred for so long.
She helped more than she realised & one point she pointed out was a link to read at home. I read it & it answered many questions, but it still did not reduce the pain & heartache.
Physchology Today - May 2013: confessions of a sociopath
I found it scary on many levels. This woman is a lawyer & a Sunday school teacher - just what damage is she imparting to the children?
As for my emboldened quote - that report does not answer the question at all. It has been suggested that it is in the genes so my question still stands:
Why do some people's genes have such strong morality whiles others lack all morality & empathy?
What determines who gets what genes (& if someone mentions Parents, then the question still remains}.

Very interesting article.
I found out my ex was either a sociopath or psychopath (not sure which, the psychiatrist who called me wouldn't be specific) after we broke up. Everything made sense after I found that out. He was a pathological liar, so much so that I'm not sure now how much of his past is true. Just the stuff I could verify with his mother. He is not a killer though, but he can manipulate and switch on the charm when he wants to. I can see him ending up as a cult leader. He uses people, steals and ignores the law when it suits him. What is so surprising is how often this works out for him.

Is a sociopath or a psychopath person always evil and lacks all morality & empathy?
I don't think so. I guess most businessmen man/woman and some politicians could be qualified to have this disorder.

His posts are pure genius. Genius, I tell you, man! We bow before his mighty brain. May we ever hope to be able to post something one-tenth as brilliant as he.

Sarge, I'm sorry this summer has been so hard on you.

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A good book, I've mentioned in other threads, you might consider:
"The Wisdom of Psychopaths", by Kevin Dutton (His father was one -- but,
was a good father, and a successful businessman.).

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I happen to believe that it's more a case of 'nuture' rather than 'nature'.

Do you mean nurture Mark? I really don't believe that. I know some good people who had a lousy mother... I also don't think it has something to do with society's indoctrination rather the perception of it by the individual...

Just come across a report that highlights your comment...

I am not different, just human like you

I happen to believe that it's more a case of 'nuture' rather than 'nature'.

Do you mean nurture Mark? I really don't believe that. I know some good people who had a lousy mother... I also don't think it has something to do with society's indoctrination rather the perception of it by the individual...

Just come across a report that highlights your comment...

I am not different, just human like you

BBC link again Sirius:( Will look at it at home tonight.

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I happen to believe that it's more a case of 'nuture' rather than 'nature'.

Do you mean nurture Mark? I really don't believe that. I know some good people who had a lousy mother... I also don't think it has something to do with society's indoctrination rather the perception of it by the individual...

Just come across a report that highlights your comment...

I am not different, just human like you

BBC link again Sirius:( Will look at it at home tonight.

Sorry, try this one instead...

Don't look down on me

I happen to believe that it's more a case of 'nuture' rather than 'nature'.

Do you mean nurture Mark? I really don't believe that. I know some good people who had a lousy mother... I also don't think it has something to do with society's indoctrination rather the perception of it by the individual...

Just come across a report that highlights your comment...

I am not different, just human like you

BBC link again Sirius:( Will look at it at home tonight.

Sorry, try this one instead...

Don't look down on me

Our computers don't have any sound here, looks interesting though:)

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