> Oh, nevermind. See you guys later!
>

Oh thanks for being one of the guys! Ok, been there before, in the parachuting club I also were one on the very few gals who were skydiving, so I became one of the guys there also ;-)

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> Layer 7: Application
> Layer 6: Presentation
> Layer 5: Session
> Layer 4: Transport
> Layer 3: Network, TCP/IP protocol
> Layer 2: Data Link, IP-adress
> Layer 1: Physical, Mac-adress

Now you've sent me scrambling for my old books. You're one layer off. MAC is data link, IP is network, and TCP is Transport.

OSI Model

> > Oh, nevermind. See you guys later!
> >
>
> Oh thanks for being one of the guys! Ok, been there before, in the
> parachuting club I also were one on the very few gals who were skydiving, so I
> became one of the guys there also ;-)
>

I just cannot understand jumping out of a perfectly good working airplane. ;-)

Timestamp: Saturday, 25 December 2004 - 12:36 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

L8R....

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> I'm no IP guru either - I just happen to understand the concepts better than
> their ennui and intricacies. IP addresses are independent of the hardware
> that the TCP/IP layering system (Can't think of the correct word) runs on.
>
> It's neither good nor bad to have the same IP assigned/leased after resetting
> or requesting - It may be that your ISP assigns you an address on a
> person-by-person, session-by-session, or constant basis. I'll guess that your
> ISP assigned an IP to you, the person, instead of why my ISP does which is
> assign an address on a case-by-case basis.
>
> ...and you also forgot that I go Jem Hadar on anyone who calls me "Neo" - But
> it's cool for today, being the holiday season and all. .o0(I should add that
> to my signature when I get a chance)
>

Watch it, or I'll cut off you Ketracel-white! ;-)

Timestamp: Saturday, 25 December 2004 - 12:40 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

L8R....

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> > Layer 7: Application
> > Layer 6: Presentation
> > Layer 5: Session
> > Layer 4: Transport, TCP/IP protocol
> > Layer 3: Network, IP-adress
> > Layer 2: Data Link, Mac-adress
> > Layer 1: Physical
>
> Now you've sent me scrambling for my old books. You're one layer off. MAC is
> data link, IP is network, and TCP is Transport.
>
> OSI Model
>

Yes, you are rigth!!! I didn't dig up my notes, so I just put on the layers, what I thought I remembered! Thanks! :-) I thought that the Mac-adress is connected to the computer, so that had to be the physical layer. And then the other were right above.

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>
> I just cannot understand jumping out of a perfectly good working airplane.
> ;-)
>

There is only one thing that is better than freefall ;-)

BTW: An old skydiver joke: People, who don't skydive, always ask: "What do you do if your parachute doesn't work?" "Then I draw my reserve!" "Yes, but what if that doesn't work either?" "Then I have 12 sec's to learn to fly!" Then the look at their faces!!! LOL!

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See - This is a problem.

If I said "Klingon", well... First off it's too clich&eacute. Second off, the best "Bad-ass" Kingon was Cisco in Apocalypse Rising...

[i]Cisco back-hands Worf across the face[/i]
[b]Cisco:[/b] [shouting] DO YOU DOUBT THE VORACITY OF MY PLAN?!?!
[b]Worf:[/b] Excellent, sir -- But did you intend to kill me?
[b]Cisco:[/b] [casually] Not at all!</br>[b]Worf:[/b] Then next time, hit me with a clenched fist.

Good stuff.

I could have said "Kazon" or "Hirogen", but let's face it: ST:V sucked. That's why I couldn't have said "Borg". What am I going to do, assimilate you?? Or how about "I'll go 8472 on you"?? That sounds pretty stupid when you say it out loud.

So that leaves the Q (Which I'm definitely not, though it would be highly entertaining), the Cardassians (Only if I had to torture you, which I wouldn't) and the Jem Hadar - Specifically Goran'Agar (The unaddicted one in "Hippocratic Oath"). But still, there's no bad-ass in him.

So what could I have said? "Don't make me go Ferengi on you"????

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Oh thanks for being one of the guys!
Again... what could have I said? "Y'all"???

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I once read that Dial-up connections had dynamic IPs while Cable and DSL have static. While in my 1st week of CCNA class my assigned partner told me that wasn't true. Brighthouse(then called Road Runner) rotates IP addresses ever so often on their customers w/ "Home" accounts. He worked for a company connecting Road Runner, AOL, and a couple other companies.
Sure enough about a month or so later my IP@ changed( I had Road Runner cable). I couldn't access my FTP server at home from class. I had to send all my notes to Email then DL them when I got home. We divided up note takeing tasks between us all and then shared notes via FTP. My job was to maintain A list of acronymns. Cisco classes are an overdose of acronymn soup.
Later in class I learned why the ISPs did it. Security for there customers in one and another is so that if "Home" users are running business websites then they get shut down(although usually only temporary).

> It's neither good nor bad to have the same IP assigned/leased after resetting >or requesting

That it true to a certain extent. Let's look at this from the ISP's point of view:
If one of the users gets "Zombied" (meaning that their box was taken over and used by the Evil Haxor to do his/her evil bidding) then changeing the IP@ of that customer can lock out the Evil Haxor. He/she then has to do a scan within range to find that users box again in order to use it. For the ISP it cuts down on bandwidth used by the Zombied user's box thus freeing up bandwidth for other users.
Rather than use up bandwidth to scan all customers, it is easier to just rotate IP@ of many automatically.

True satic IPs are usually reserved for businesses. They require them for monetary tranactions. Credit cards, Paypal that sort of thing.
Truthfully though. the above doesn't address the issue stated by the thread and that is hijacking accounts at SETI.(Or createing simular looking)
It seems that some holes have been found in the Forum server's system and settings that should be addressed. When it seems that nobody at Berkeley is listening then what do u think we can do to fix this?
Anyone have E-Mail address that we can tell them about it. maybey someone in this forum in southern Cali that can go down to Berkeley and knock on their forehead to get the word to them?

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Well said. As for the Zombies, it's Dawn of the Dead over in the NYNEX corridor... :-(

Anyone have E-Mail address that we can tell them about it.
abuse@ISP.com ? abuse@WW.xxx ?

Seriously, WillyWanker is his own admin, and NetPCI probably couldn't give less than two shits and a fart about it as long as Bible Boy pays his bills...

BTW: If he's got a static IP... [evil grin]

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> I once read that Dial-up connections had dynamic IPs while Cable and DSL have
> static. While in my 1st week of CCNA class my assigned partner told me that
> wasn't true. .....
> Sure enough about a month or so later my IP@ changed( I had Road Runner
> cable). I couldn't access my FTP server at home from class. I had to send all
> my notes to Email then DL them when I got home. We divided up note takeing
> tasks between us all and then shared notes via FTP. My job was to maintain A
> list of acronymns. Cisco classes are an overdose of acronymn soup.
> Later in class I learned why the ISPs did it. Security for there customers in
> one and another is so that if "Home" users are running business websites then
> they get shut down(although usually only temporary).
>
> > It's neither good nor bad to have the same IP assigned/leased after
> resetting >or requesting
>
> That it true to a certain extent. Let's look at this from the ISP's point of
> view:
> If one of the users gets "Zombied" (meaning that their box was taken over and
> used by the Evil Haxor to do his/her evil bidding) then changeing the IP@ of
> that customer can lock out the Evil Haxor. He/she then has to do a scan within
> range to find that users box again in order to use it. For the ISP it cuts
> down on bandwidth used by the Zombied user's box thus freeing up bandwidth for
> other users.
> Rather than use up bandwidth to scan all customers, it is easier to just
> rotate IP@ of many automatically.
>

Thanks for the info! I just looked on my account page here, and found this

192.168.X.XXX (I put in the X'es!)
(same the last 657 times)

So, even I am handed a dynamic IP-adress, it seems pretty static!

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Hey Lena...

Thanks for the info! I just looked on my account page here, and found this

192.168.X.XXX (I put in the X'es!)
(same the last 657 times)


That's your internal address, your wan ip (external toward ISP) is probably still dynamic.


NeoAmsterdam...


Seriously, WillyWanker is his own admin, and NetPCI probably couldn't give less than two shits and a fart about it as long as Bible Boy pays his bills...

BTW: If he's got a static IP... [evil grin]



Try this...

http://202.128.69.135:7777


Regards

chip
w3range.net

Is that like playing ping-pong without the pong?

Hi Chip!!!

>
> > Thanks for the info! I just looked on my account page here, and found this
> >
> > 192.168.X.XXX (I put in the X'es!)
> > (same the last 657 times)
> >
>
> That's your internal address, your wan ip (external toward ISP) is probably
> still dynamic.
>
Thanks for the info! As I've said before I'm not a network wizard, so I think I'll leave this discussion to all you who are :-)

>
> Try this...
>
> http://202.128.69.135:7777
>

Just did! Gave me the shivers! It said, so help me, "Welcome to our latest visitor from Denmark"! Is he monitoring the visitors, where they come from? How can he do this??? This is really creepy!!!

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> Thanks for the info! I just looked on my account page here, and found this
>
> 192.168.X.XXX (I put in the X'es!)
> (same the last 657 times)
>
> So, even I am handed a dynamic IP-adress, it seems pretty static!
>

I would not worry about this info

mine says
IP address 127.0.0.1
(same the last 112 times)

going around in loops dead end 112 times

> Just did! Gave me the shivers! It said, so help me, "Welcome to our latest
> visitor from Denmark"! Is he monitoring the visitors, where they come from?
> How can he do this??? This is really creepy!!!

Dont worry about it. I get the welcome from US message. It may be reading the Nation setting from your OS. When installing Windows its one of the first questions the new installation askes you is for your country.

> See - This is a problem.
>
> If I said "Klingon", well... First off it's too clich&eacute. Second off,
> the best "Bad-ass" Kingon was Cisco in Apocalypse
> Rising...

[i]Cisco back-hands Worf across the
> face[/i]
[b]Cisco:[/b] [shouting] DO YOU DOUBT THE VORACITY OF MY
> PLAN?!?!
[b]Worf:[/b] Excellent, sir -- But did you intend to kill
> me?
[b]Cisco:[/b] [casually] Not at all!</br>[b]Worf:[/b] Then next time,
> hit me with a clenched fist.

Good stuff.
>
> I could have said "Kazon" or "Hirogen", but let's face it: ST:V sucked.
> That's why I couldn't have said "Borg". What am I going to do,
> assimilate you?? Or how about "I'll go 8472 on you"?? That sounds
> pretty stupid when you say it out loud.
>
> So that leaves the Q (Which I'm definitely not, though it would be highly
> entertaining), the Cardassians (Only if I had to torture you, which I
> wouldn't) and the Jem Hadar - Specifically Goran'Agar (The unaddicted one in
> "Hippocratic Oath"). But still, there's no bad-ass in him.
>
> So what could I have said? "Don't make me go Ferengi on you"????
>

Point well taken.... Remember this: There is no bad Star Trek, it's just that some are better than others.

Timestamp: Saturday, 25 December 2004 - 06:27 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

L8R....

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> I once read that Dial-up connections had dynamic IPs while Cable and DSL have
> static. While in my 1st week of CCNA class my assigned partner told me that
> wasn't true. Brighthouse(then called Road Runner) rotates IP addresses ever so
> often on their customers w/ "Home" accounts. He worked for a company
> connecting Road Runner, AOL, and a couple other companies.
> Sure enough about a month or so later my IP@ changed( I had Road Runner
> cable). I couldn't access my FTP server at home from class. I had to send all
> my notes to Email then DL them when I got home. We divided up note takeing
> tasks between us all and then shared notes via FTP. My job was to maintain A
> list of acronymns. Cisco classes are an overdose of acronymn soup.
> Later in class I learned why the ISPs did it. Security for there customers in
> one and another is so that if "Home" users are running business websites then
> they get shut down(although usually only temporary).
>
> > It's neither good nor bad to have the same IP assigned/leased after
> resetting >or requesting
>
> That it true to a certain extent. Let's look at this from the ISP's point of
> view:
> If one of the users gets "Zombied" (meaning that their box was taken over and
> used by the Evil Haxor to do his/her evil bidding) then changeing the IP@ of
> that customer can lock out the Evil Haxor. He/she then has to do a scan within
> range to find that users box again in order to use it. For the ISP it cuts
> down on bandwidth used by the Zombied user's box thus freeing up bandwidth for
> other users.
> Rather than use up bandwidth to scan all customers, it is easier to just
> rotate IP@ of many automatically.
>
> True satic IPs are usually reserved for businesses. They require them for
> monetary tranactions. Credit cards, Paypal that sort of thing.
> Truthfully though. the above doesn't address the issue stated by the thread
> and that is hijacking accounts at SETI.(Or createing simular looking)
> It seems that some holes have been found in the Forum server's system and
> settings that should be addressed. When it seems that nobody at Berkeley is
> listening then what do u think we can do to fix this?
> Anyone have E-Mail address that we can tell them about it. maybey someone in
> this forum in southern Cali that can go down to Berkeley and knock on their
> forehead to get the word to them?
>

I will check my IP address in a month and come back to this thread to report my findings, one way or the other. This is the first I have heard that ISP can put IP addresses on rotation so that their users do not always have the same one.

Timestamp: Saturday, 25 December 2004 - 06:34 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

L8R....

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> How can he do this??? This is really creepy!!!
>
> Dont worry about it. I get the welcome from US message. It may be reading
> the Nation setting from your OS. When installing Windows its one of the first
> questions the new installation askes you is for your country.
>

Ok! Phew!!!

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> Hi Chip!!!
>
> >
> > > Thanks for the info! I just looked on my account page here, and
> found this
> > >
> > > 192.168.X.XXX (I put in the X'es!)
> > > (same the last 657 times)
> > >
> >
> > That's your internal address, your wan ip (external toward ISP) is
> probably
> > still dynamic.
> >
> Thanks for the info! As I've said before I'm not a network wizard, so I think
> I'll leave this discussion to all you who are :-)
>
> >
> > Try this...
> >
> > http://202.128.69.135:7777
> >
>
> Just did! Gave me the shivers! It said, so help me, "Welcome to our latest
> visitor from Denmark"! Is he monitoring the visitors, where they come from?
> How can he do this??? This is really creepy!!!
>

Lena, where did you see the "Welcome...." text on the site? I went there and saw nothing at all, no reference of a "Welcome...." whatsoever. I did see WW mentioned on the site, though.

Timestamp: Saturday, 25 December 2004 - 06:47 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

L8R....

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath