You have no respect for life at all.

You cannot see a child, you see cells.

You see no rights of that child, just your own.

The pain of child birth has no bearing on the matter, you offer a canard.

I suggest you go and sit on an ice pick.

That is to the point.

Are you worried he might find it "inconvenient" to do so?

He may like it.

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You have no respect for life at all.

You cannot see a child, you see cells.

You see no rights of that child, just your own.

The pain of child birth has no bearing on the matter, you offer a canard.

I suggest you go and sit on an ice pick.

That is to the point.

Are you worried he might find it "inconvenient" to do so?

Not the least bit worried.

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You have no respect for life at all.

You cannot see a child, you see cells.

You see no rights of that child, just your own.

The pain of child birth has no bearing on the matter, you offer a canard.

I suggest you go and sit on an ice pick.

That is to the point.

Are you worried he might find it "inconvenient" to do so?

He may like it.

Batter are you suggesting ID has deviant values?

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Batter are you suggesting ID has deviant values?

Never; I'm much to nice to ever do that.

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Okay. I've been reading this thread for some time folks and it's time to muddy some waters I think. Hello everyone :) How are you all? Well I hope! :)

ID - this might burn, if so, I'm sorry :( but if you can, give it some thought.

As a product of marital rape I can honestly say I wish my mother had had the option of an abortion... It would have given her the opportunity to choose:
- whether she could find it within herself to love her twins when they were born...
- or know that she could not...

Instead, with no point at which she could reach a decision where she might have been able to try to start to love us whilst her body still nurtured us, all that was left for her to do was suffer the nightmare of having something growing inside her that degraded her in every sense of the word... go through the agony of giving birth to what should never have been conceived... and then been emotionally torn apart by it every day of the rest of her life :(

It took her well over thirty years to even begin to get over that... So from her point of view:
- She most absolutely definitely should have had that pregnancy terminated;
- From my point of view - given what I went through - she most absolutely definitely should have had that pregnancy terminated.
- My twin? :) Well she would probably disagree - now... but I did shield her from so much... and she always had me to love her :)

Any woman who doubts whether she will be able to provide a loving, secure, and healthy physical and emotional environment for a baby-to-be, whatever the reasons are, and who then chooses to seek an abortion, is acting with far greater responsibility than any man has to at the zygote stage. It is never about convenience. It is her body and only she knows the path she walks. I think that makes me somewhat pro-choice... As to when a zygote is "human"... this collection of cells reached that much exalted pinnacle around the age of twenty three :)

Look, sorry about your life---what else could I say....

Rape, almost never results in a child. But, what did the child do to get the death sentence for someone else's crime?

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The pain of child birth has no bearing on the matter, ....

We disagree; it is written.

Genesis 3:16
To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you."

The child committed no crime other then being inconvenient to the parents. Hardly reason for killing the child...

Do you know what you can do with your Bible quotes? I'm sure you can find a dark hole...

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Yet you say..."For one, that creature is alive and reached the stage where its self sustaining.", as is the zygote, if left along will develop into a fully functional human being. The DNA of said zygote says fully human individual. Truly a human being. The only thing stopping this human from drawing their first breath is another human who has been inconvenienced by its presence by no actions of his own but by the actions of the woman carrying it.

It has the possibility of becoming a human but it is not human, not even alive at the moment you abort it. Hence, not murder, not immoral and not unethical.

The famous non-answer, answer. Wanna try again there pal? The possibility, is a female egg and male sperm. After the two meet we have a unique human that you nor anyone else has the right to take the life from without the benefit of our rule of law. Find a crime this person has committed and make the charge...

As for what DNA says, if you take my toe nails and check its DNA it also says its fully human. Does that mean that throwing my toe nail clippings in the garbage bin equals criminal neglect? Of course not. The DNA argument has no merit.

Yeap, it points right back at you.

Your toenail DNA is not a unique human, it points right back at you. The DNA argument has full validity.

Ah, your death now prevents us from seeing you on the street or court system! How very God Damned magnanimous of you! On the other hand you could dig in your pocket, or give of YOUR time, but no, you have the perfect solution, lets just give you the death penalty now, no trial, no jury. Sorry, I'm all about the individual, and his or her freedom. I could care less about any damned group of people.

In order for something to die it first needs to be alive. A clump of cells is just as much alive as my toe nail clippings. They both grow as long as they are connected to my body and they both stop growing once I sever the connection.

The clump of cells is a unique human with full rights of the law.

The only rights you see is the mother of the child, not the child.

The only rights that matter here are the rights of the mother given that the child is not a child yet. And if you care so much about those unwanted children that you force to be born, how much of your money do you donate to mothers who can't afford their children? How much of your time have you spend taking care of those unwanted children so their mothers can go to work or college? I find that most of you pro life people instantly lose interest in said 'life' the moment its born.

How do you know that I don't foster children? How do you know I have not adopted?

What gives you the right to make baseless accusations?

Key word---needlessly. The child did nothing to get a death sentence and being human deserves all laws applying to being a human.

How is the multicellular organism on Mars deserving law that applies to humans only?

Just as the law does not apply to anyones toe nail clippings, neither does that law apply to a bunch of cells.

And the law of not killing things needlessly does not just apply to humans, it applies to all living creatures (and before you react, zygotes are not counted as living creatures). I wouldn't want you to kill a cat or a dog or a fish or a cow or a spider for no particular reason either.

I believe in human exceptionalism. The start of life is at conception and it ends with a natural death.

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Dat Guy from GreenLand said:

...makes one wonder about the human race sometimes.

Vrold is Full Of Angels and Demons, Everythang In Between. What's to Wonder About?

HuWoMan Bad. Extinction GOod.

'cept fO da Animal, Insect, etc. Kingdoms.

Yeah, The Wo of HuWoMan get Shat On Constantly. Seen The Kalifornia Senators? 'specially dat one from SF. Ooooba. Only 5 Men Bad?

heeeheeeheee

Got Microbe? Contraception?

' '

She misspoke, and I'm sure she wont be backtracking her ignorance.... Vote the dingbat out... LMAO!

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Rape, almost never results in a child...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Please don't tell me you really are that stupid.

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Reality Internet Personality

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Rape, almost never results in a child...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Please don't tell me you really are that stupid.

I'm very sane, and I am correct.

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Rape, almost never results in a child...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Please don't tell me you really are that stupid.

I'm very sane, and I am correct.

Where do you get your information from?

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Rape, almost never results in a child...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Please don't tell me you really are that stupid.

I'm very sane, and I am correct.

Where do you get your information from?

I do think girls who get pregnant because of rape are more inclined to do an abortion?

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Rape, almost never results in a child...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Please don't tell me you really are that stupid.

I'm very sane, and I am correct.

Where do you get your information from?

I do think girls who get pregnant because of rape are more inclined to do an abortion?

I am wondering if he hasn't realised that, and thinks they just don't get pregnant. It is standard to offer rape victims who report the rape a morning after pill. Those are just the ones that are reported though. Many rapes go unreported.

Rape-related pregnancy: estimates and descriptive characteristics from a national sample of women.

"among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year."

Hardly a small number.

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Rape, almost never results in a child...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Please don't tell me you really are that stupid.

I'm very sane, and I am correct.

Where do you get your information from?

He gets his data from the simple fact that women have a cycle and can only get pregnant some of the time. And once they reach a point in their life they stop having the cycle. So the intellectually dishonest uses that as part of his justification that acts of rape don't result in babies. So yes, he is that stupid.

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Over the years I've been involved in the support of three rape victims and their families. Two of the victims were impregnated as a result of the rape, the third was way too old. I am not claiming that this is representative as it is based on a very small sample.
Further think about the numerous war-rape victims, women who were raped until pregnant, then raped until they miscarried or died...

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Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

The last three post were by ignorant/stupid people...

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1996 by the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, which determined a national rape-related pregnancy rate of 5.0 percent per rape among victims between the ages of 12 and 45. The study was based on a survey of 4008 adult women, over a three-year period, which covered a range of questions on drug and alcohol abuse but also included questions intended to draw out information on sexual assaults.

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All told, there were 315 rape victims of reproductive age in this sample, resulting in 20 rape-related pregnancies. In an interview, Dean. G. Kilpatrick, one of the researchers and director of the National Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center at the Medical University of South Carolina, acknowledged that, given the sample size, it might have been appropriate to provide a confidence interval. Still, he added, “most people who have looked at the methodology were pretty satisfied that this is a reasonable way to go about it.”

The study concluded that in one year, this rate would result in more than 32,000 rape-related pregnancies, which Kilpatrick said would be about 50,000 a year when adjusted to today’s population. RAINN, using the same incidence rate, calculates about 3,200 pregnancies.

Though the study is nearly two decades old, it has not been updated. The 5 percent figure is a little higher than a separate study that estimates the chance of getting pregnant from a single act of unprotected sex was 3.1 percent; a European study pegged the chances of getting pregnant as 25 percent at two days before ovulation but a 5 percent average over the rest of the cycle, though the possibilities rapidly dwindled within days of ovulation.

Indeed, a 2002 study speculated that the incidence of pregnancy from rape could be even higher — 6.4 percent — in part because women have no choice in refusing sex, whereas in consensual sex a woman may refuse if she thinks the chances of pregnancy are higher.

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The last three post were by ignorant/stpid people...

You're the only ignorant/stupid person that I can see posting here recently I.D. ;-)

Cheers.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/jun/18/do-rapes-result-fewer-pregnancies-consensual-inter/

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