Maybe this would solve a lot of problems, but then again, it could open up all sorts of situations...

Contraception by remote control

My faith leads me to believe that forced vasectomies are the way to go. I will never hire a man who has not had a vasectomy. He has a choice to go elsewhere of course, but if there is high unemployment and the choice is between starving and having a vasectomy, well, thems the breaks right? Serves him right for being poor and male.

I will not even charge my employers for the vasectomies. My god tells me to do this.

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Before Obamacare Hobby Lobby was actually providing these contraceptives under their existing plan.

Source? If that is true I smell agenda.

My faith leads me to believe that forced vasectomies are the way to go.

OMG obfuscate much?

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People choose to have sex at the wrong time all the time. I personally don't know anyone who planned to have a child.
I bet its a laugh a minute at your house.

You should get your wife to post here. I'd love to hear her take on this.

We are of one mind.

FYI! NARAL, Planned Parenthood, African-American Women for Reproductive Freedom, Ayn Rand Institute, Feminist Abortion Network, Republicans for Choice, and National Abortion Federation, just to name a few of over 25 groups.

Were did you get such a stupid idiotic idea that there were no groups?

Those are pro choice groups. Not pro abortion. You do know the difference, right?

Nomenclature, that's the only difference. You know the word don't you? They kill children outright in some cases, by funding in others, nomenclature, that's the only difference.

I have noticed over the years that people who would celebrate life found on another planet, even one celled life, seem not to respect human life when human life is nothing more then a zygote. It's not a life, it's just a bunch of cells. Their logic is so wacked up it more then defies logic... ...it defies common sense.

Its not a human being. No matter what you say or believe. Its just not. The woman who you want to use to turn it into a human being, is a human being. She has rights. She has thoughts. She has feelings. She has hopes and dreams. She feels pain. She loves. She hates. The ball of cells does none of these things. Her rights should trump those of the proto-human. In a logical world. In a world where you recognise women as actual human beings.

Sorry, but the emotional plea to allow the killing of a child will not work on me. AS soon as the DNA mix comes into play of the zygote we have a human being with a unique finger print of DNA that screams---UNIQUE HUMAN LIFE!

Yet if them clippings were found on Mars and not to be yours? Anyhow..., ...you seem not to be able to get around that logic.

You'd be the bad guy in the Alien movies who wants to let Sigourney Weaver incubate the precious alien life no matter the personal cost to her. Me, I'd put the human being's rights over the alien's.

That was a synthetic life form that was the so called bad guy in that movie. Taking orders from the very government that has allowed abortion on demand. You want to be the final 'Arbiter' of what is human and you want the right to determine if that life will be allowed or not.

Judge, jury, and executioner...

Not true, I respect natural life from conception to natural death regardless of race, sex, creed or age, and I don't believe in the death penalty. I believe in the natural circle of life.

That's nice for you when you aren't the one who pays the cost.

That's some f*cked up logic you have there... The only other alternative is murder.

You have no respect for life, someone else's life anyhow. You are selfish, that ball of cells (a human life) seems to be an inconvenient truth for you.

I have more respect for it than you do. I respect actual human life and think woman are more than just incubators for your babies.

That's some f*cked up logic you have there... In a real relationship they are called "Our Children".

No matter how you twist it, just because something has human dna (such as my toenails) it doesn't mean it is yet a human. Your definition is simply wishful thinking.

You have no idea what life is and is not. You are not equiped for this argument. Your toe nails have your DNA "ONLY". The zygote is a human being fully with a potential---to be. You are wholly ignorant of a thing called a fact here.

I've asked you before how many pregnancies you've been through. I'll ask again. How many pregnancies have you been through that you feel so confident that you can expect a woman for whatever reasons to go through one when she doesn't want to?

Play by the rules, or pay for not following them. Goes for both sexes...

I can't imagine anything more inhumane and cruel. It certainly isn't in the best interests of any child that would be born.

WTF are you talking about?

You justify an act of what can only be called pure wickedness, because of your bizarre belief that a ball of cells is a person. If there was a god, I know whose side he'd be on on this.

How do you know God has a sex such as male or female? Would you have proof of this? Please be forth coming...

Let me know when your wife starts crunching. I really would like to hear if there really is no situation where she would rather die herself than go through an unwanted pregnancy. Which is what used to happen before woman were allowed control of their own bodies.

LOL, my wife will not be at this site! She does not bother herself with the likes of you. She would pray for you---if you like?

I know which side is morally right. I am sorry that all your so called christian beliefs never taught you right from wrong. :/

You have exchanged morals for ethics of the day. Note the difference carefully..., ...I have.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

You have no idea what life is and is not. You are not equiped for this argument. Your toe nails have your DNA "ONLY". The zygote is a human being fully with a potential---to be. You are wholly ignorant of a thing called a fact here.

hmm..technically my dna, because I am a person despite being female, is a mix of my father's and my mother's. Just like the egg I came from.

Play by the rules, or pay for not following them. Goes for both sexes...

What rules are those? And who decides them? You?

I can't imagine anything more inhumane and cruel. It certainly isn't in the best interests of any child that would be born.

WTF are you talking about?

Ahhh..and here we have the heart of the problem. I suspect you'd put more thought about whether to buy a dog than whether to bring a human being into the world. I guess I am more responsible than you.

How do you know God has a sex such as male or female? Would you have proof of this? Please be forth coming...

Oh..you want proof when it comes to god? When did you change the rules???

LOL, my wife will not be at this site! She does not bother herself with the likes of you. She would pray for you---if you like?

Oh please, I have lots of people praying for my soul already. She can join the crowd.

I know which side is morally right. I am sorry that all your so called christian beliefs never taught you right from wrong. :/

You have exchanged morals for ethics of the day. Note the difference carefully..., ...I have.[/quote]
Hmmm..through a very distorted blinkered lens.

The problem is, whatever you feel about this, you don't have the right to with hold medical treatment from people based on your beliefs. Unless of course you are living under the new American Taliban.

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You have no idea what life is and is not. You are not equiped for this argument. Your toe nails have your DNA "ONLY". The zygote is a human being fully with a potential---to be. You are wholly ignorant of a thing called a fact here.

Hmm well, with modern science its possible to take the DNA of someones toenail and grow a human being out of it. Does that mean that all DNA material has now been upgraded to 'potential human'.

Given that is a stretch. But, eggs and sperm are clearly full of potential human beings. All they need is to be matched with an egg and you have a human. So does that mean that masturbation, menstruation and even sex itself are wrong because they all represent potential humans gone to waste?

But, eggs and sperm are clearly full of potential human beings. All they need is to be matched with an egg and you have a human.

Hobby Lobby has no problem paying for contraceptives. So I'm confused by your statement as it is not germane to the topic.

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Clyde you're sounding very sexist to me especially seeing as Мишель is of our own gender.

Maybe you should follow your own advise about the heat. ;-)

Quite frankly both you and Batter Up sound like 2 peas in a pod.

Cheers.

Wiggo...

I am not the one calling people names.

I was responding to silly little name callers. Although they are much more dangerous than silly.

To turn their argument, by changing the groups attacked, has you believe I am...

Means I was correct in my assessment of them.

THANK YOU!

Note: I doesn't matter if any male attacks males for being (fill in the negative). To turn the argument: A Black Person attacks all other Black Person's for being (fill in the negative word). Would you say he was correct?

Clyde, you really need to take a good hard look at your assessments then as from here they look far from being correct ones. ;-)

Cheers.

But, eggs and sperm are clearly full of potential human beings. All they need is to be matched with an egg and you have a human.

Hobby Lobby has no problem paying for contraceptives. So I'm confused by your statement as it is not germane to the topic.

The issue is the grounds that they were made exempt on.

1) It was based on bad science.
2) It gave corporations more rights than actual people
3) It opened the door for similar exemptions such as the one Мишель just mentioned.

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A ZYGOTE HAS THE 'POTENTIAL "TO BE" HUMAN'!!!

CAN I STOP SHOUTING NOW!?! DID YOU HEAR ME!?!

I'm going to have to agree with Batter up: "So I'm confused by your statement as it is not germane to the topic."

Please stop----you're hurting me... Come up to speed or please stop.

It burns, it burns......

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A ZYGOTE HAS THE 'POTENTIAL "TO BE" HUMAN'!!!

Oh good, you are finally getting it. So you agree its not actually human yet?

Finally!

CAN I STOP SHOUTING NOW!?! DID YOU HEAR ME!?!

I'm going to have to agree with Batter up: "So I'm confused by your statement as it is not germane to the topic."

Please stop----you're hurting me... Come up to speed or please stop.

It burns, it burns......

No, we're good. You've finally understood the difference between a person and a zygote. That took a while, but I think it was worth it in the end.

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But, eggs and sperm are clearly full of potential human beings. All they need is to be matched with an egg and you have a human.

Hobby Lobby has no problem paying for contraceptives. So I'm confused by your statement as it is not germane to the topic.

The issue is the grounds that they were made exempt on.

1) It was based on bad science.
2) It gave corporations more rights than actual people
3) It opened the door for similar exemptions such as the one Мишель just mentioned.

So say you. Fortunately you are not the final word the SCOTUS are. Unless you want to call for a constitutional convention.

Fortunately Canadian's can't do that.

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And how would we type that? As POTENTIAL? Or, human life? It has a unique DNA human finger print. Human, homosapien, belonging to this unique human only.

You have no right to terminate. Nor do you have the right to force someone who thinks like me to be involved in any way shape or form. It is murder without trial or cause.

You have traded morals for the days ethics. I have noted...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

You have traded morals for the days ethics. I have noted...

Most of us can move with the times I.D. even if you would like to live in the past. ;-)

Cheers.

You have traded morals for the days ethics. I have noted...

Most of us can move with the times I.D. even if you would like to live in the past. ;-)

Cheers.

Now over 300 million must live with this Courts ruling. I'm Okay with it. And you will be too if you move to my Country. ;-)

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Me moving over there, or anywhere else, is never going to happen I.D. as I much prefer to stay here where things are much more sensible. ;-)

P.S. No one could even pay me enough for me to even consider doing such a stupid thing.

Cheers.

A ZYGOTE HAS THE 'POTENTIAL "TO BE" HUMAN'!!!

ID you closed your case.

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A ZYGOTE HAS THE 'POTENTIAL "TO BE" HUMAN'!!!

ID you closed your case.

Quite.

Corporations are just names, logos or brands. The problem with them is that they have their own rules & regulations.

The people employed by them see them as gods & depending what country they are based in, serve their respective god diligently. The gods being £ $ €

I think Tennessee Ernie Ford said it best...

You load sixteen tons, and whattaya get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
St. Peter don'cha call me, cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

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A ZYGOTE HAS THE 'POTENTIAL "TO BE" HUMAN'!!!

ID you closed your case.

Quite.

I thought he'd never get there.

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You're lucky, I'm still getting over the shock of that revelation!

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