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Cliven Bundy may be a racist, but he is neither a nutjob nor a terrorist (regardless of what some in Washington D.C. say)
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I'll let him speak for himself. Clearly a nut job...and at the very least he's broken the 10th commandment when he used his neighbour's land to graze his cattle for free.

From the rest of your post I get the very real impression that all this anti-government and pro-gun fever is more about the South not having gotten over losing the Civil War.

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Except that the BLM has gone to court over this issue several times and each time it won in the courts. But Bundy just sort of refuses to acknowledge those courts because he sort of refuses to acknowledge the US government. So, should the government just keep going to the courts, winning the court cases and then just have the guy they sued completely ignore the court rulings consequence free?

Talk to any US lawyer. Lien and Auction was the Next Legal step. I do understand Non-American's look at this thru their eyes/culture.

Hi KWSN..

You are possibly correct regarding the coming storm regarding overreach by the Federal Government.

TO NON-AMERICAN'S..

This is an internal American discussion regarding States Rights vs. Federal Authority.

Do understand your almost total ignorance regarding the Internal Workings of The United States of America. It may help if you thought of this Country's name as "The United Nations of America".

The States are Independent of the Federal Government. Internally, there is no American Government in the European sense. The USA has NO National Elections. Only National outcomes.
Even the US Presidential Elections are Internal State matters.

Another example, of many: The laws within the States are different. Commit the same crime in one State, and the penalty, including Death, will be different, depending upon the State. When a criminal flees one State to Another: He must be Extradited, as between Individual Nations.

Understand all the negative comments the above explanation's may bring. But...

USA = Controlled Chaos = Individual Freedom

Take a look a my freedom:

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Talk to any US lawyer. Lien and Auction was the Next Legal step. I do understand Non-American's look at this thru their eyes/culture.

Before you can auction off stuff you probably first need to gain physical possession over it. Which is where this whole thing went wrong, with Bundy threatening to shoot anyone who dared to touch his cattle.

TO NON-AMERICAN'S..

This is an internal American discussion regarding States Rights vs. Federal Authority.

Do understand your almost total ignorance regarding the Internal Workings of The United States of America. It may help if you thought of this Country's name as "The United Nations of America".

The States are Independent of the Federal Government. Internally, there is no American Government in the European sense. The USA has NO National Elections. Only National outcomes.
Even the US Presidential Elections are Internal State matters.

And that is also completely irrelevant here. The state of Nevada has explicitly granted the Federal government those lands. Its even in their state constitution. State rights are not at stake here, this is simply one ranchers throwing a fit over a law he does not like. But to bad for him, you don't get to pick and choose what laws you like and ignore the ones you don't like.

The Europeans in this discussion still don't understand what this internal discussion among American's is about.

Does anyone remember many Americans commenting on nuanced Internal matters regarding any European Country?

Plenty of times.

American's do understand their ignorance in these matters.

What is the problem with European's admitting their ignorance?

Perhaps the Europeans get a different perspective on the news that comes out of the US?

The reality is that American news and culture is spewed all over the globe. It is hard to escape from it. This means that often the rest of the world has a better grasp of what is going on in America than Americans do about what is going on in the rest of the world.

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Does anyone remember many Americans commenting on nuanced Internal matters regarding any European Country?

Yeah, you for one.

Wow, if true, some yanks need lobotomising quickly...

Student shot dead

"Mr Kaarma, a 29-year-old firefighter, has told investigators his home had twice been hit by burglars, and he told a hair stylist he had waited up at night to shoot intruders, prosecutors said." Can't be much cop as a firefighter then as lack of sleep could endanger his colleagues!

"On the night of the shooting, Mr Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager left their garage door open, and Ms Pflager left her purse in the garage in order to bait intruders, she told police." Had the police done that, the screams of entrapment would have been heard worldwide!

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Clyde, I never know what to do when I read your rants about "Europeans" not understanding how the government of the US functions - do I laugh, cry, or get angry? This is because you so obviously do not understand yourself!
The US, like many countries has a multi-layer system, with a lot of powers of laying own statute at a low level. Answer this very simple question - you pay various bits of your taxes to local ("city"), remote ("state") and Federal do you not?, and each of these can make laws within certain bounds - is that true or false?

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I didn't ask for an explanation, only a simple "TRUE"/ "FALSE".

I'd love to have had you as an auditee the other day - I could have saved so much time, just ask a yes no question, and get all the gory "facts", write the NCRs and go home... (Trouble is by answering questions that are not being asked you end up having to ask far more questions than you would have been asked)

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Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

It's why I've always said that getting an answer to a problem more often than not, leads to many more questions...

...with those questions either getting unanswered or lead off on tangents.

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That may be true in itself, but after the violations commenced 80 years ago, you're still getting them violated - Just what does that tell the world about the US & its people?

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Does Europe have separate Military Force's, swearing Allegiance to its individual State?

Yes. There is no European army.

No Foreign Treaty the Federal Government signs can be enforced internally, if it violates the Sovereign States Rights.

This is true in law but not in fact. Take this one example; the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration wanted a national .08 blood alcohol content limit for a presumptive driving under the influence. Without passing any laws the Federal Government forced states to pass laws making .08 the limit by threatening to withhold federal funding for highways; funding they get from the states in the first place.

This is a new one though; weed is illegal under federal law but not under Colorado law. The feds chose not to enforce their law or withhold federal funds from local police for not enforcing federal law. This is a Right Wing plot as stoners are easy to control and they don't occupancy Wall Street.

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Does the above apply to Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Etc.?

That depends. Britain and the Netherlands are not Federal systems, they do not consist of smaller states. If their respective governments sign a treaty, it applies everywhere in the Netherlands. Germany is different because they have a Federal system. Individual states can indeed have different laws and their federal government has limited say on what happens inside Germany.

However, if the EU were to adopt a regulation or directive, it applies to all states and supersedes national law. Of course, the EU can only adopt laws in specific policy fields, and all of that happens with the agreement of all Member States.

Also, you are wrong. The US federal government can enforce all international treaties if it so desires, even if they go against state rights. First of all, the US constitution recognizes that international treaties the US federal government signs become law of the lands. The US Supreme Court made a bit more difficult by making a distinction between the kind of treaties they can sign. The first become automatically 'law of the land' the other first needs to be transformed into a law by Congress. The case you are referring to was a case the US supreme court decided that it first needed to be transformed into a law by congress, which congress had not done.

Of course, it does mean that the US federal government can sign treaties, then never transform them into an implementing law which effectively allows them to ignore whatever the treaty tells them to do.

But in any case, if the Feds want, they can enforce every international treaty in every state regardless of what that state wants. They wouldnt be able to have an effective foreign policy if they can't even sign and enforce the treaties they sign.

That depends. Britain and the Netherlands are not Federal systems, they do not consist of smaller states.

Doesn't Britain or now the United Kingdom consist of different countries?

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That depends. Britain and the Netherlands are not Federal systems, they do not consist of smaller states.

Doesn't Britain or now the United Kingdom consist of different countries?

Yes, though we still have an overarching government meaning the UK can be treated as a single entity despite containing four countries, or possibly three after September.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

But in any case, if the Feds want, they can enforce every international treaty in every state regardless of what that state wants.

Negative.

All US Supreme Court Decisions, the latest "Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17." Refute this.

1 - Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution.

2 - Treaties cannot amend the Constitution.

3 - A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress (or by a sovereign State or States if Congress refuses to do so), when the State deems a treaty the performance of a treaty is self-destructive.

Does any Country in Europe operate by the above?

That does not actually mean that the US federal government cannot uphold its treaty obligations within the US. And again, the US constitution does say that the treaties the US signs become law of the land, and therefor apply to the states as well. Okay, so they need to be careful that the treaties they get involved with do not violate the constitution, that doesn't mean they cant sign any treaties at all.

And it works differently in Europe. EU law stands above all national laws, including constitutions (the German constitutional court is constantly battling with the European Supreme Court). Though honestly EU law generally does not touch upon the legal principles set in these constitutions and again, everything the EU does it does so because its member states allow it. If member states want out, they can, but it does mean leaving the EU completely. You can't pick and choose what EU laws you like and which ones you don't.

MOST Treaties are, of course, Ratified by the US Senate, and Accepted by The States. The US President is given great latitude in Foreign Affairs.

I looked up treaty law in the US of A and it takes a Philadelphia lawyer to figure out.

As for right or wrong might makes right; the several state armies were/are/will be nationalized at the stroke of the Commander-in-Chief's pen or a regular army general on the ground locking heels like General Honoré did in New Orleans after Katrina. The Louisiana National Guard had not yet been officially nationalized but Honoré was giving all the orders because he had to most stars.

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