BBC reports highly variable Maths standards in the US when compared State by State against other countries.

US 'in denial' over poor maths standards

Southern states Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana are among the weakest performers, with results similar to developing countries such as Kazakhstan and Thailand.
If Massachusetts had been considered as a separate entity it would have been the seventh best at maths in the world.Minnesota, Vermont, New Jersey and Montana are all high performers.

I know why and so do educators but non dare speak.

IQ of high performers;
MASSACHUSETTS...104.3
MINNESOTA.......103.7
VERMONT..........103.8
NEW JERSEY.......102.8
MONTANA..........103.4

IQ of low performers;
MISSISSIPPI.......94.2
ALABAMA...........95.7
LOUISIANA.........95.3

The question is not how to improve education but how to increase IQ.

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BBC reports highly variable Maths standards in the US when compared State by State against other countries.

US 'in denial' over poor maths standards

Southern states Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana are among the weakest performers, with results similar to developing countries such as Kazakhstan and Thailand.
If Massachusetts had been considered as a separate entity it would have been the seventh best at maths in the world.Minnesota, Vermont, New Jersey and Montana are all high performers.

I know why and so do educators but non dare speak.

IQ of high performers;
MASSACHUSETTS...104.3
MINNESOTA.......103.7
VERMONT..........103.8
NEW JERSEY.......102.8
MONTANA..........103.4

IQ of low performers;
MISSISSIPPI.......94.2
ALABAMA...........95.7
LOUISIANA.........95.3

The question is not how to improve education but how to increase IQ.

You increase IQ with better nutrition and early education intervention. Students with middle class parents who begin teaching their children at home often score higher on IQ tests. Also, students who have English as a second language will perform poorer on IQ tests as they are culturally biased.

So you need to include more data on these population rather than raw IQ data.
Remember also that IQ is a narrow measure of only a certain type of intelligence.

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Society's Role in Education.

I think that education from Kindergarten to graduation from a Doctoral programmes should be paid for by the government (taxpayer) in regard to tuition.

In Finland no tuition fees are charged for Bachelor’s and Doctoral programmes, regardless of your nationality. Master's programmes are in general for free for students from EU/EEA member countries but also students outside of the EU can study for free in most cases. In the academic year 2013/14 just selected study programmes charge tuition fees for non-EU/EEA students of EUR 2,500-12,000 per year. One exception are Erasmus Mundus programmes that do have a tuition fee that ranges from about EUR 3,000-20,000. Here, non-EU/EEA students usually pay a higher fee than EU students. However, Erasmus Mundus Scholarships and other financing options are available for these studies.

http://www.mastersportal.eu/articles/405/tuition-fees-at-universities-in-europe-overview-and-comparison.html

BBC reports highly variable Maths standards in the US when compared State by State against other countries.

US 'in denial' over poor maths standards

Southern states Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana are among the weakest performers, with results similar to developing countries such as Kazakhstan and Thailand.
If Massachusetts had been considered as a separate entity it would have been the seventh best at maths in the world.Minnesota, Vermont, New Jersey and Montana are all high performers.

I know why and so do educators but non dare speak.

IQ of high performers;
MASSACHUSETTS...104.3
MINNESOTA.......103.7
VERMONT..........103.8
NEW JERSEY.......102.8
MONTANA..........103.4

IQ of low performers;
MISSISSIPPI.......94.2
ALABAMA...........95.7
LOUISIANA.........95.3

The question is not how to improve education but how to increase IQ.

Increase health, those numbers are a pretty good reflection of the mortality and obesity rates.

But quick question do all state use the same IQ test?

You increase IQ with better nutrition and early education intervention.

How do you force this? How do you stop them from selling their food stamps for malt liquor, cigarets and lottery tickets? Do you round up all the truants and put them in a 24/7 school or round them up every day? Whatever you do there will be a march in protest.

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You increase IQ with better nutrition and early education intervention.

How do you force this? How do you stop them from selling their food stamps for malt liquor, cigarets and lottery tickets? Do you round up all the truants and put them in a 24/7 school or round them up every day? Whatever you do there will be a march in protest.

Well I suspect that they aren't selling their food stamps for malt liquor or cigarettes as much as you seem to think for a start. I'd like to see your actual evidence for that. I can understand desperate people spending their money on lottery tickets. Maybe they believe it is a good investment?

When you are poor, and I've been poor and on welfare, so I know just how horrible a situation it is, it is a fact that bad quality non-nutritious food is cheaper. Vegetables are more expensive. If, like you, you are anti-government and anti-school because you watch nothing but Fox News, then you won't want to go to a school where they force you to learn such liberal ideas such as nutrition, or statistical probabilities, for these are liberal mind control conspiracies.

So rather than rounding up people and forcing them to go to school, I would start by changing the culture so that it is not so ignorantly anti-school and anti authority and show people how to respect teachers and value what they can gain from an education.

Next time you watch Fox News, note down how many articles support teachers and their work and how many put them down. That might help you understand why people don't value school. Perhaps there should be a "Support Our Teachers" campaign? They do very valuable work that benefits every, single person.

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You centralize power and control as much as possible and for those who follow the rules, you give them special treatment when they inform on those who are not following the rules.

Is this on topic?

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BBC reports highly variable Maths standards in the US when compared State by State against other countries.

US 'in denial' over poor maths standards

Southern states Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana are among the weakest performers, with results similar to developing countries such as Kazakhstan and Thailand.
If Massachusetts had been considered as a separate entity it would have been the seventh best at maths in the world.Minnesota, Vermont, New Jersey and Montana are all high performers.

I know why and so do educators but non dare speak.

IQ of high performers;
MASSACHUSETTS...104.3
MINNESOTA.......103.7
VERMONT..........103.8
NEW JERSEY.......102.8
MONTANA..........103.4

IQ of low performers;
MISSISSIPPI.......94.2
ALABAMA...........95.7
LOUISIANA.........95.3

The question is not how to improve education but how to increase IQ.

Forget the IQ man... Education has a lot to do with EQ as well.

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Society's Role in Education. I think that education from Day care for single Moms and single Dads and Kindergarten to graduation from a Doctoral programme should be paid for by the government (taxpayer) in regard to tuition.

You centralize power and control as much as possible and for those who follow the rules, you give them special treatment when they inform on those who are not following the rules.

Is this on topic?

Absolutely. And how would you...

...start by changing the culture

Well, you would centralize power and control as much as possible and for those who follow the rules, you give them special treatment when they inform on those who are not following the rules. That's how you could change the culture.

Really? This is an excellent model of what happens now to promote anti-education and anti-teacher views through use of corporate funded propaganda and media control. e.g. Fox News.
So perhaps by actually promoting the truth I could change the culture. I would start by promoting critical thinking.

And as for

a qualified, well trained teacher will be able to adjust to anyway.

Yes, a qualified teacher would adjust to maximize the learning potential of the kid from Bay Springs, Mississippi and the kid from Boston, Massachusetts would suffer.

...and thus you prove how little you know about teaching.

Least common denominator. Been there. Done that. Don't like doing it.

It is simply bad teaching. Fortunately at the liberal college I went to and the liberal way I was taught to teach based on all the liberal research done at the liberal universities, we are taught something called "differentiation" anyone with any teacher training at all has been taught and is expected to do this. If you were not doing it in your classroom then you are quite simply, by definition, a bad teacher.

The real solution of separating the high achievers from the low achievers so all could reach their highest level of achievement in different classrooms is... is... not politically correct. Therefore, dumbing down America to the lowest academic standard is the liberal answer.

At the liberal universities I went to where I was taught how to be a liberal teacher and use liberal teaching practices, there is a massive liberal debate on what is the best method of differentiating students. Streaming (the method you describe) is just one of the liberal methods that is discussed by liberals who want to best educate students. There are liberal arguments for and against this liberal teaching method. The liberal research suggests there pros and cons to using this liberal teaching method that need to be weighed up and adjusted to the individual situation. A lot of liberal professionals like to use this and other liberal methods to differentiate for pupils. The liberal method of streaming works better in some subjects and situations than others.

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You centralize power and control as much as possible and for those who follow the rules, you give them special treatment when they inform on those who are not following the rules.

Of course a central committee who's children go to private schools. My local school district survived that experiment back in the 80s.

Well I suspect that they aren't selling their food stamps for malt liquor or cigarettes as much as you seem to think for a start. I'd like to see your actual evidence for that.

Next time you are in Newark I'll take you to any number of bodegas where customers who are buying food will pay cash, discounted, for a swipe from a government food only card. I don't sit in a homogenous ivory tower pontificating. I have friends and acquaintances from many cultures. In fact you sound like a right wing plant.

The only reason I would watch Fox News is the attractive anchors in short skirts. BTW, I also watch PMSNBC even though there no hot babes.

Society's Role in Education. I think that education from Day care for single Moms and single Dads and Kindergarten to graduation from a Doctoral programme should be paid for by the government (taxpayer) in regard to tuition.

Great, do what you want but keep it out of my country. People like you get Reagan types elected.

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How little I know?

Ya, well, it's one thing to talk about it when comparing *two* students and it's another thing to actually do it with dozens and dozens of students.

I taught high school for one year. Three preps, four classes.

I've taught high school for over 10 years. I am not sure how your time pans out with 3 preps and 4 classes. Are you saying that you get 3 free classes to prepare for 4 lessons? I must be misunderstanding because that seems like an awful lot of prep time, so you'll have to clarify. For example, in the UK I one school I taught at there were 25 timetabled classes in a week and I would teach 21 and supposedly get 4 for prep time. Each class had 30 pupils in. Some were streamed and some were not. Some were full of special needs kids and some were not. Some weren't even my subject, but they needed someone to teach them. I was expected to differentiate for all of them. If I had support for the special needs kids this was easier to do. I certainly taught more than 86 students in a week.

According to you I was a bad teacher because I wasn't able to create 86 different lesson plans ("differentiation" for 86 students) from 3 different subjects (Computer Science AP, Computer Programming and Computer Maintenance) 5 times a week.

No. According to me you are a bad teacher because you seemed to think that you didn't need to differentiate. You have now made it clear that you are aware that you do, but because you were not being supported properly in your job, you couldn't do it. There are schools that expect you to produce a separate lesson plan for each student, but that is clearly unworkable, but there are plenty of other methods of differentiation that will work. Now, is it the liberals who want to cut taxes and cut funding for education? You knew in your heart what was best and right for your students, but you realised that there was no way you could do it because people don't want to pay for it. That's the reality.

I worked my @55 off and had students who actually passed the COMPTIA A+ exam and students who scored 3's on the Computer Science AP exam at the end of the year. First time any teacher had done that in that school district from a long list of others before me. And this was my *first* year of teaching high school. My AP students were going to compete at state level UIL, score 4's and 5's on the AP exam, and more computer maintenance students were going to pass the COMPTIA A+ exam next year if I was going to do it again. This was my first and last year teaching. My principal offered me everything she could to get me to sign another contract. I said no. Why?

Because she had no choice but to give me five preps and seven classes next year.

Five preps and seven classes?

No way in "h" "e" double hockey sticks anybody can get good results trying to do that much... with or without "differentiation."

...and suddenly he realises what is wrong with education.
No one wants to pay for it. They just want to cut, cut, cut taxes and give handouts to corporations. Its not a priority. You know how hard teachers work to make it work. You can't hack it, not many can. I've had to take breaks from it because it is brutal and heartbreaking.

So, either do it the liberal way where no one actually learns anything or do it the way that actually teaches something of value.

Yet again, your conclusions are not based on what you said. Teachers go to college to learn how to be good teachers, they learn how the brain works, what sort of environment is best to learn in, they learn how to create interesting lessons that maximise how students learn and how they transfer that learning. They learn how to encourage critical thinking, they learn how to nurture the students natural inquisitiveness, they learn how account for different cultures in their classrooms, they learn how to account for different abilities. This is all the stuff you label as "Liberal" as if it is somehow a dirty word rather than evidence based research on how people learn. You label it "Liberal" because the "liberal" way of teaching costs money and no one wants to spend money on education, because education doesn't make profits. Not only do you label it "Liberal" (and if it is liberal then I'm damm proud to be a liberal) you act like its some sort of brainwashing rather than a real attempt to bring out the best in the students in our class.

Don't worry, people like me are no longer teaching high school. I'm teaching computers at a local college now, where there is very little politics, absolutely no problems with discipline and where students are actually given a chance to learn because of teachers like me.

It looks like you didn't learn the lesson you needed to. The problem isn't with the way that students learn best, its that the education system is so squeezed and politicised that no one wants to allow that to happen. Whatever your theories, (and if you are getting the results your students deserve by whatever methods then clearly you are doing something right), you seem to think that the problem is "liberal" thinking rather than the opposite.

Federal control of our education system is not in our constitution. There's a reason for that, but you liberals will never understand what big government always leads to. And our big government is successfully seizing control of education system through blackmail.

Again, you are making links and assumptions that aren't there. Do you really think the local governments haven't totally politicised education? Some school boards are trying to take evolution off the science curriculum. Whatever system America has clearly isn't working. Big government, small government, its nothing to do with being a "liberal".

Another thing you liberals will never understand is the diversity which exists in the U.S.

Considering that the whole idea of recognising diversity is a liberal idea I find that laughable.

The only educational standards that will work will drag down our highest potential achievers, which is what the ruling class is trying to do as fast as possible and is successfully doing through our liberal media and people like you parroting what the ruling class wants you to parrot.

You'll have to show me this liberal media you speak of. Maybe this is why you are confused about what a liberal actually is if you think your media is liberal. From now on every time you misuse the word "liberal" I'll replace it with "right wing reactionary" and then your posts will make a whole lot more sense.

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Three preps, four classes = three SUBJECTS, four CLASSROOMS full of KIDS

Some weren't even my subject,

so, you taught ONE PREP. I notice you're not mentioning what that was. I'm afraid to ask you what your PREP was.

I'm still not clear on the definition of prep. In the UK it would stand for preparation time, so you can understand my confusion. You are totally welcome to ask me what subjects I teach. Its no secret. My speciality is physics. I taught what is called Physics 'A' level (grades 12 and 13). I taught general science, grades, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 and I also taught grade 10 math for a while. The subjects they made me teach which I were not my subject was a citizenship class and some other health style class. I guess that is technically 8 or 9 different "prep" (do I have that right?) classes. I had more than one of each, but it varied. Sometimes I would have as many as 3 grade 10 or 11 classes. One year I refused to teach grade 8s because they were particularly horrible. Now I teach physics 11 and 12 in Canada, although they have me teaching Math 12 precalculus this term.

but you realised that there was no way you could do it because people don't want to pay for it. That's the reality.

No, it's because the students would rather play Halo on the computers in my classroom. It became my experience that many of my students grew to learn that if it wasn't given to them, then they didn't want to work for it. Some of them even learned to complain.

You seem surprised that you had to force them to do what they were supposed to do. Don't you remember being at school?

There's too much money in education now. Football coaches get paid more than principals. Money is parsed out based on what public perception will be. Bond elections (A.K.A. raising taxes) are brought up during mid-mid-term elections over and over again until they pass 230 yeahs to 215 neahs. Readin', ritin' and rithmetic are the last things money is spent on. If you want to improve the educational system, you must turn it into something kids can't have unless they put some effort into it. You can't squeeze blood from a turnip, you can't make a horse drink water, and you can't force an education on kids who are brought up by parents teaching them what they need to do to qualify for more welfare benefits.

Paying football coaches lots of money is not the same as paying teachers. I am sorry you got disillusioned with working with children and teenagers. They are a difficult group, but have always been like that. If you had remained in teaching long enough you would have had visits from those kids who you were so sure would amount to nothing and discovered that some of them had gone on to do well at university, or excelled in other areas.

This stupid insistence that education can be reduced to readin', ritin' and rithmatic is just like insisting that a medical doctor only uses leaches to heal his patients because that's what people have always done. Perhaps people should start to value their teachers and the skills they have and let them teach. Children learn through example. The example that is set to them everyday is that teachers are stupid and shouldn't be listened to. Can you really expect the children to behave somehow differently from the adults all around them?

"Liberal" *is* big government. Period.

No, liberal is not big government. Liberal is trying to find complex solutions for complex problems and putting people first. Your solutions are simplistic and knee jerk. You don't even seem to understand the problems.

Recognizing diversity in a politically correct way (the way the ruling class wants you to recognize it) is dumbing down standards so the smart kids don't learn and the dumb kids think they learned something. This helps move more middle class down into the poor class. The poor class is easier to deal with by the ruling class.

This is absolute nonsense. Diversity is recognising that to help everyone achieve their potential you have to meet them where they are and take into account who they are.

Liberal media? Well, to start off, I already know your idea of what middle of the political spectrum is. So, I can't show you what liberal media is.

America does not have one. You have a strange idea of what liberal is as a consequence.

You keep doing what you do and I'll keep doing what I do. When your likes begin to force me to do things I absolutely disagree with, then you'll see the real mess I'm capable of creating.

I don't understand who this threat is aimed at, or what the purpose of it is, or even what you think I am forcing you to do.

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BTW; Reagan made "liberal" a dirty word in the US of A. They now call themselves "progressives".

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Students need to Learn to Study and Study to Learn. Takes Time and Effort. 'It' 'is' Hard Work and Extremely Boring at times.

Are Teachers teaching this? Effort is time consuming and hard.

Or are Teachers using Some Kind of Happy Time Magic?

There There One Moment and Gone Gone the next.

Gindstoning and Mental Sweat Out of Fashion.

Good Luck DEM/Libs.

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