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Message 1377949 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 10:07:05 UTC

Oh and don't get me wrong, CreditNew does need looking at etc. pp. It's just that the great minds on this project cllectively shudder when they see that part of the code.
I mean, with an asbestos suit and a gasmask perhaps. And then after you've put it all on solid mathimatical feet and chased all of davis's bugs out of it you'll still nedd a pretty good rolling pin to actually get him to use it.


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Message 1377952 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 10:11:21 UTC - in response to Message 1377944.
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Or another beer.....

http://tinyurl.com/2jcyk7 :)

Hmm. That's a tough one.
I'll take Jord's beer and I'll do him a nice alcoholfree punch.

Bavaria has alcohol free beer that's very good. With summer finally having arrived, these cold ones drink particularly good. That said, yep, go have my beer.

And in a separate sentence: Anyone else walking away over their dropping RAC?
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Message 1377953 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 10:14:34 UTC - in response to Message 1377947.

Well, if all people care about is the completely arbitrary number called 'credit', than I think small loss to the project - we are crunching as fast as we can split anyway.

Not since v7, I think.

No matter. I have made it clear what I think about the credit situation.

I wish RAC were the same, but it is not.

I am not going to shut off any crunchers in it's epitaph.

Meow, down for the night.


Well it's an abritrary number. In a few weeks it should have stabilised to _something_.
I mean it's not like some people were getting 200 and others only 50 - the drop is for all. It's just finding a new arbritary equilibrium point.
The variance on credit allocated is plain ridiculous - but it's been like that ever since we got CreditNew.

The fuss people are making about those numbers is comepletely emotional.

It's like when we got the Euro and you suddenly had 1000€ instead of 2000 DM.

I could add something about starting to measure length in a different unit, that makes the number smaller, but I'll save my breath.
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Message 1377954 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 10:16:57 UTC - in response to Message 1377949.

Oh and don't get me wrong, CreditNew does need looking at etc. pp. It's just that the great minds on this project cllectively shudder when they see that part of the code.
I mean, with an asbestos suit and a gasmask perhaps. And then after you've put it all on solid mathimatical feet and chased all of davis's bugs out of it you'll still nedd a pretty good rolling pin to actually get him to use it.




I guess that is why no other gpu enabled project (that I know of)uses credit new
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Message 1377960 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 10:28:23 UTC - in response to Message 1377949.

Oh and don't get me wrong, CreditNew does need looking at etc. pp. It's just that the great minds on this project cllectively shudder when they see that part of the code.
I mean, with an asbestos suit and a gasmask perhaps. And then after you've put it all on solid mathimatical feet and chased all of davis's bugs out of it you'll still nedd a pretty good rolling pin to actually get him to use it.

May I make one comment from my asbestos suit and gasmask, please?

I am absolutely certain that Eric and the SETI@home project had no deliberate intention to reduce the absolute rate of credit as a part of this v7 rollout.

My posting style is not to make categoric statements without links to observable evidence, like message board posts or published source documents. There are none in this case - but I have worked with Eric and read his posts over many years. I was close enough to this particular rollout to get my name in the 'thanks' posting in the front page news: and I got not the slightest hint that Eric has any view that the previous rate of credit was too high.

This rollout has been a big strain on a lot of us, and I'm sure that extends to Eric, too. Once we're all sure that the new applications are working properly (and there's a bit of work to do in that direction yet), I look forward to working with Eric, David, William and anybody else interested in the reality behind credit to get this glitch sorted out, once and for all.

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Message 1377968 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 10:49:11 UTC - in response to Message 1377778.
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Edit: I am not much fond of beer, but would love some Guarana, which unfortunately is not available in this part of the world.

@Vipin - If someday i go to middle east i will leave some for you, it´s a promise, i just need to win the lottery before...

Back to topic, about the falling RAC, see the numbers falling realy dissaponit me but i continue to crunch 24/7 the same way, at least until my beer stock ends.

The only thing that realy annoying me is the sending of Vlars to be crunched by GPU´s because Vlars produces serious video lags (specialy in the multi GPU´s hosts) and make the hosts users unsatisfied to the point of they ask me the autorization to stop crunch Boinc on their hosts.
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Message 1377980 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 11:22:47 UTC - in response to Message 1377968.

@Vipin - If someday i go to middle east i will leave some for you, it´s a promise, i just need to win the lottery before...

Thanks for the offer Juan, however, I may just make another trip to Sao Paolo to meet my friends there and drop in to say Hi to you, provided I have saved enough, lol...

My RAC continues to fall, not that it bothers me, although it pains to see that lots of folk out there are in this just for the sake of credit and forget the true purpose behind all this - Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence.
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Message 1377982 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 11:30:33 UTC - in response to Message 1377980.

@Vipin - If someday i go to middle east i will leave some for you, it´s a promise, i just need to win the lottery before...

Thanks for the offer Juan, however, I may just make another trip to Sao Paolo to meet my friends there and drop in to say Hi to you, provided I have saved enough, lol...

That´s will be great, we could even plan and ask Firehawk to meet us and spend some good time.

My RAC continues to fall, not that it bothers me, although it pains to see that lots of folk out there are in this just for the sake of credit and forget the true purpose behind all this - Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence.

I agree with you is RAC falling is bad but is secondary to the science, the main focus for me is the Vlars on GPUs (at least on some Nvidias models) my hosts can´t realy handled them and i can´t find a way to automaticaly abort them.
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Message 1378023 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 13:42:55 UTC - in response to Message 1377941.

Did I really? I'd forgotten that.

We both need mental (or memory) strengthening meds, I think. :)

Or another beer.....

http://tinyurl.com/2jcyk7 :)

Apropos, my BOINC finally adjusted the Estimated times (remaining). Sobering to see 15h tasks be at 1h45m. :)

Okay, a rootbeer, then ... and continued success in your efforts....
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Message 1378025 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 13:46:24 UTC

Everything seems normal to me thus far.

Random number generator is generating random numbers.
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Message 1378055 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 14:47:28 UTC - in response to Message 1377960.

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I am absolutely certain that Eric and the SETI@home project had no deliberate intention to reduce the absolute rate of credit as a part of this v7 rollout.
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I think your standing on a desert island all by your self on this one.

first opinions are usually correct. if it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, it is a duck.
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Message 1378064 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:00:23 UTC - in response to Message 1378055.

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I am absolutely certain that Eric and the SETI@home project had no deliberate intention to reduce the absolute rate of credit as a part of this v7 rollout.
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I think your standing on a desert island all by your self on this one.

first opinions are usually correct. if it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, it is a duck.

Well not quite Richard has my company, I do not believe it is a deliberate plot to cut RAC.

Actually just typing that made me smile, lets try again "Eric and the team are involved in a deliberate plot to cut RAC". WHAT?
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Message 1378065 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 1378055.

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I am absolutely certain that Eric and the SETI@home project had no deliberate intention to reduce the absolute rate of credit as a part of this v7 rollout.
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I think your standing on a desert island all by your self on this one.

first opinions are usually correct. if it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, it is a duck.

Conversely, what is your reasoning or evidence for concluding it was deliberate?

My version of that saying is that if it looks like a cock-up, smells like a cock-up, then it probably was a cock-up.

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Message 1378075 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:13:20 UTC - in response to Message 1377953.

Well it's an abritrary number. [snip] ...The fuss people are making about those numbers is comepletely emotional.

It's like when we got the Euro and you suddenly had 1000€ instead of 2000 DM.


That would be true if V7 WUs had fewer floating point operations per task, so no... it's not the same. CreditNew may be a random number generator but it still has a Cobblestone heart. And a Cobblestone is just a randomly chosen yet constant amount of floating point operations.

To use your example: 1000€ cost 3000 DM all of a sudden because the exchange rate that was supposed to remain constant, got skewed.

I know you are good at math and know this stuff already, so I'm guessing its the schizophrenic nature of CreditNew that tripped you up:)

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Message 1378079 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:18:31 UTC - in response to Message 1378065.

Though on a more positive note, it does appear that at least my RAC's plunge is flattening out from a nose dive to more of a belly landing. So, there might be hope to be found in this mess after all.
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Message 1378088 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:32:22 UTC
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Though on a more positive note, it does appear that at least my RAC's plunge is flattening out from a nose dive to more of a belly landing. So, there might be hope to be found in this mess after all.
Hope that happens soon, so I can read about something other than CreditFew. My BoincTask graph looks like the one HAL900 posted in this message, except my decline looks worse since I only plot 3 months worth. No sign of flattening yet.

Still crunching, figure someone will address the issues someday.
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Message 1378097 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:39:06 UTC
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The RAC continues to fall at this rate because we try to find an ET base in the bottom of the sea...

Daily production of +/-140k with 7 hosts running 24/7 with a combination of 11 GPU´s (all Fermis and Kepplers, 580 and up), not mention the CPU Work, somebody must be kidding me... CreditNew is more than a Random Number Generator is a black hole for credits.

My only hope is because my beer stock is very big.
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Message 1378118 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 16:29:29 UTC - in response to Message 1378064.

I love it when Lemmings all stick together whilst happily jumping off bottomless cliffs.

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I am absolutely certain that Eric and the SETI@home project had no deliberate intention to reduce the absolute rate of credit as a part of this v7 rollout.
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I think your standing on a desert island all by your self on this one.

first opinions are usually correct. if it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, it is a duck.

Well not quite Richard has my company, I do not believe it is a deliberate plot to cut RAC.

Actually just typing that made me smile, lets try again "Eric and the team are involved in a deliberate plot to cut RAC". WHAT?


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Message 1378127 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 16:41:08 UTC - in response to Message 1377938.

Come on msattler please tell me this post was if nothing else tongue in cheek. SETI is at best pseudo "fringe" science whilst Einstein is peer reviewed rock solid science. Do you even know who Einstein was me wonders ???

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The ship is fine, man.

Only the representative RAC figures are going down.

I shall remain here, doing much more valid science than you are over at Einstein.

Ooops......I forgot, Einstein grants much more credit than Seti, therefore their work is much more valid....

Sorry.



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