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Message 1338524 - Posted: 15 Feb 2013, 16:59:13 UTC - in response to Message 1338369.

Some of the other beliefs do not feel the need to push beliefs down peoples throat.

It would be REALLY nice if the same courtesy was extended, but it is not expected from the Abrahamic faiths.


I think I have always extended that courtesy. Although not shy about expressing my own beliefs, I don't recall ever having called anybody down for not accepting them as their own.

But i read you insisting that it be in schools and the government.

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Message 1338579 - Posted: 15 Feb 2013, 19:21:29 UTC - in response to Message 1338524.

Some of the other beliefs do not feel the need to push beliefs down peoples throat.

It would be REALLY nice if the same courtesy was extended, but it is not expected from the Abrahamic faiths.


I think I have always extended that courtesy. Although not shy about expressing my own beliefs, I don't recall ever having called anybody down for not accepting them as their own.

But i read you insisting that it be in schools and the government.

I said that I was in Catholic church school long ago, but it simply did not work for me. I also said the God was intrinsic in our nation's founding. And to have the government deny it is against the majority of the nation. Let me remind you........almost, very nearly almost........voted to cast this guy out on a shingle. Half the nation.

Religion should be taught to every son and daughter on the planet.
If the must amend their view about exactly who and what it was.......I shall personally help with their recovery.
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Message 1338606 - Posted: 15 Feb 2013, 20:28:49 UTC - in response to Message 1338579.

Religion should be taught to every son and daughter on the planet.

I'm so glad you want to teach Buddhism to every child at public expense.

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Message 1338636 - Posted: 15 Feb 2013, 22:10:26 UTC - in response to Message 1338579.

Religion should be taught to every son and daughter on the planet.
If the must amend their view about exactly who and what it was.......I shall personally help with their recovery.


No....no way. Offer it as a choice. If someone wants it-great they can take it. If not it should not be forced.
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Message 1338669 - Posted: 15 Feb 2013, 23:56:27 UTC - in response to Message 1338636.

Religion should be taught to every son and daughter on the planet.
If the must amend their view about exactly who and what it was.......I shall personally help with their recovery.


No....no way. Offer it as a choice. If someone wants it-great they can take it. If not it should not be forced.

But the opposite is true too, Blurf.
If one desires to know about the Christian belief, it should not be refused to them.

And I think this is exactly what the argument is about.
The freaking liberals and the ACLU wish to totally ban any talk about Christ of the church from publicly funded institutions. While trying to totally ignore the fact that many Christians have funded them in the first place.


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Message 1338673 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 0:10:12 UTC - in response to Message 1338669.

But the opposite is true too, Blurf.
If one desires to know about the Christian belief, it should not be refused to them.


And I think this is exactly what the argument is about.
The freaking liberals and the ACLU wish to totally ban any talk about Christ of the church from publicly funded institutions. While trying to totally ignore the fact that many Christians have funded them in the first place.


But going back to your statement of "Religion should be taught to every son and daughter on the planet" leads me to believe you want it forced on kids..mandatory. I disagree with that.

Yes keep it as an option.
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Message 1338679 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 0:25:52 UTC - in response to Message 1338669.

Religion should be taught to every son and daughter on the planet.
If the must amend their view about exactly who and what it was.......I shall personally help with their recovery.


No....no way. Offer it as a choice. If someone wants it-great they can take it. If not it should not be forced.

But the opposite is true too, Blurf.
If one desires to know about the Christian belief, it should not be refused to them.

And I think this is exactly what the argument is about.
The freaking liberals and the ACLU wish to totally ban any talk about Christ of the church from publicly funded institutions. While trying to totally ignore the fact that many Christians have funded them in the first place.


As we all have, Christian or not. Another point to ponder is which flavor of Christianity do you feel should be taught?
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Message 1338736 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 4:12:18 UTC - in response to Message 1338679.

As we all have, Christian or not. Another point to ponder is which flavor of Christianity do you feel should be taught?

Why FLDS of course. :)


If you teach religion, you teach religion, not A RELIGION. So you teach Buddhism, Shintoism, Wicca, Agnosticism, Atheism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Druid, Sun Worship, ... no favorites and equal time for all.

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Message 1338738 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 4:14:47 UTC - in response to Message 1338736.
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do not leave out Rastafarian, Scientology, Sub-Genius, and of course Pastafarian.

Edit: I would love to sit in on a class being taught by a Rasta
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Message 1338747 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 4:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 1338738.
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do not leave out Rastafarian, Scientology, Sub-Genius, and of course Pastafarian.

and dozens more ...
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Message 1338768 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 5:17:51 UTC

By teaching any one religion in a school you may be interfering with someone else's right to NOT be exposed to that religion. I think that's why it's easiest and best to NOT teach religion in schools. By doing so, you are ALLOWING the students freedom of their own religion!

Now, I'm all for teaching about religion in schools, as long as it's done on an equal and unbiased basis. But I don't believe any student should be forced into participating in any religion.

Now, parents that want to choose to send their child to a religious school, that's their right also, whether or not I or others agree with it is another issue entirely. But PUBLIC school systems, of course should be adhering to a no religion policy, for the above mentioned reason.

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Message 1338784 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 6:02:19 UTC - in response to Message 1338768.

students have always discussed religion in the hallways, and this will continue. And many students pray before each test, again.. No one is trying to take that away unless you consider encouraging to study intrusive. But being taught religion in the classrooms, and subjected to it as part of the education?
I am very much against it.

It would all be so confusing if all the religions were taught that not much else would get done. And to include just one view would violate the religious freedoms of anyone who did not share that view.
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Message 1338790 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 6:10:21 UTC - in response to Message 1338784.

students have always discussed religion in the hallways, and this will continue. And many students pray before each test, again.. No one is trying to take that away unless you consider encouraging to study intrusive. But being taught religion in the classrooms, and subjected to it as part of the education?
I am very much against it.

It would all be so confusing if all the religions were taught that not much else would get done. And to include just one view would violate the religious freedoms of anyone who did not share that view.


Not too hard to have a theology course in high schools I'd think... But then again I guess it could lead to problems.
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Message 1338808 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 8:01:02 UTC - in response to Message 1338673.

But the opposite is true too, Blurf.
If one desires to know about the Christian belief, it should not be refused to them.


And I think this is exactly what the argument is about.
The freaking liberals and the ACLU wish to totally ban any talk about Christ of the church from publicly funded institutions. While trying to totally ignore the fact that many Christians have funded them in the first place.


But going back to your statement of "Religion should be taught to every son and daughter on the planet" leads me to believe you want it forced on kids..mandatory. I disagree with that.

Yes keep it as an option.

No, I do not wish to force it on anybody, but I think, if given the option at a young age, most would go along with it.

My own experience with Catholic 'training' did not work for me. It took me many years of life experience, a lotta pain and suffering, and the loss of a brother to suicide to realize just what Christ was talking about.
And, Amen, I still have to talk to Him every day to assure myself that I have not somehow lost my way. Which I do often. It's kinda like dialling 911......
Bring, bring bring.....hello, this is Christ's hotline, how can I help you today?

Uh, I am soooooooo F'd up.......is this the right number?

Oh, yes, you have dialed right into the nation's best hotline for help.
Now, have you said a Hail Mary recently?

Heil who? I slept with a gurl named Mary last night...does that count?
No, I don't think so.
Have you prayed in the last month?

You calling me a predator....??? Well, I did kinda stalk that cute little thing down the street for a few weeks last month. Until she noticed. Then the cops kinda stalked me down the street for a few weeks this month.

How long since your last confession?
Uhh, dunno. That long?
Uhh, dunno. You cannot even tell me how long it has been since your last talk with a priest?

Oh, that was last night........I told the SOB to get out of my way or I'd nail him to the cross.

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Message 1338903 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 16:54:13 UTC

Do the people who insist religion should be taught in schools ask the question "what if?".

What if a young religious person with school age kids, was given a choice of moving to a place where all the schools are of a different religion or having to find a new job, at a time when jobs are in short supply.

Six people I know, I don't think any of them are religious by the way, worked for a firm, that decided to move all the prodution and distribution of it's products off shore, they were offered the choice of moving, with costs paid for and an increase in salary, which was enhanced as the new place had a lower cost of living, or enforced redundancy. The new place is 94% Roman Catholic.

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Message 1339068 - Posted: 17 Feb 2013, 3:46:44 UTC

Other than a brief moment of silence for personal prayer at the beginning of the school day I don't remember getting any religious education in the public schools I attended. My parents were members of the local Presbyterian Church and because of that I attended Sunday school and church services most Sundays. I do believe that as a tool for teaching people how they should get along with each other I think Christianity and most other religions serve a purpose but when any religion is perverted to start wars or inflame one group of people to hate another it has been taken too far. If Christianity is to be taught in schools other religions should get equal time. But if schools are tasked with teaching religion where would it end and when would they have time for reading and writing and arithmetic, along with the other subjects that are necessary for young minds to get along in the world.

Bottom line, parents and the Church are where Christianity should be taught, not the public school system.
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Message 1339330 - Posted: 18 Feb 2013, 6:13:17 UTC

I am not for the outright teaching of any religion in public K through 12 schools, but an explanation of religious issues would be critical in most history courses. I cannot think of any cultural group, past or present, in which an understanding of that culture's religious beliefs does not help one better understand that culture's history. In addition, a student's understanding of western art or music would be terribly compromised without at least a passing understanding of the religious themes that come up so often in these areas of study. I imagine the same is true for non-western art and music.

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Message 1339569 - Posted: 20 Feb 2013, 5:41:46 UTC

Teaching about how religion has affected history is different from teaching the belief structure of any one form of religion. But as a natural course of events some bias toward all religions since as they say history is taught by the winners.
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Message 1339616 - Posted: 20 Feb 2013, 7:19:29 UTC - in response to Message 1339330.

I am not for the outright teaching of any religion in public K through 12 schools, but an explanation of religious issues would be critical in most history courses. I cannot think of any cultural group, past or present, in which an understanding of that culture's religious beliefs does not help one better understand that culture's history. In addition, a student's understanding of western art or music would be terribly compromised without at least a passing understanding of the religious themes that come up so often in these areas of study. I imagine the same is true for non-western art and music.

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Message 1340037 - Posted: 21 Feb 2013, 22:08:14 UTC

The first amendment to the constitution, as follows

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Says that the us government can neither aid or appose religion.

so as long as pubic schools take federal money they must either teach no religion

or all of them as well as atheism and agnosticism.

down this slope would be the ruin of public education.

States can do as they like if they forgo federal money.

religions schools take no federal money and once again can do as they please.

If you want religion in your schools fund them locally that is all you have to

do, as long as you do not bar any one else from doing the same for their belief

system or lack there of.

then the fed will not have to pay for it helping to balance the budget.


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