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Message 1336477 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 1:48:32 UTC - in response to Message 1336470.

ID, so you believe socialism is more than what your definition states.


It isn't MY DEFINITION. I credited the source. We can call it a start, that is what this thread is for.

ID, since many would like to understand what your words mean, please give us your definition, otherwise you just make no sense.

I've been defining the word since I got here. Please keep up with me.

ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish.

You should know by now he never gives his opinion or his definition. Just spouts another source. And lets you quess what his stance is.
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Message 1336497 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 2:27:04 UTC - in response to Message 1336477.

ID, so you believe socialism is more than what your definition states.


It isn't MY DEFINITION. I credited the source. We can call it a start, that is what this thread is for.

ID, since many would like to understand what your words mean, please give us your definition, otherwise you just make no sense.

I've been defining the word since I got here. Please keep up with me.

ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish.

You should know by now he never gives his opinion or his definition. Just spouts another source. And lets you quess what his stance is.


There is no need to guess, not quess what I am and where I stand. I have said so many times now. What you fail to see and understand is the Rule of Law and the explanation of that rule called the Federalist Papers. I'm a Constitutionalist.
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Message 1336510 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 4:58:59 UTC - in response to Message 1336497.

ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish.
Quote "There is no need to guess, not quess what I am and where I stand. I have said so many times now. What you fail to see and understand is the Rule of Law and the explanation of that rule called the Federalist Papers. I'm a Constitutionalist.", does not address the question. Please explain.
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Message 1336522 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 6:17:37 UTC - in response to Message 1336510.

ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish.
Quote "There is no need to guess, not quess what I am and where I stand. I have said so many times now. What you fail to see and understand is the Rule of Law and the explanation of that rule called the Federalist Papers. I'm a Constitutionalist.", does not address the question. Please explain.


Oh, I beg to differ. Telling you what I am tells you what I am not.


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Message 1336550 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 8:46:15 UTC

ID, I am still awaiting to see your definitions of "right wing" and so on.
I can but assume you are incapable of such a definition, so must also be incapable of understanding the definition you provided for "socialism" is not the same as the extended definition you are using.
From your own words I see your definition of "Socialism" as being something like "A socio-political concept that exists to control all economic function, all social interaction and all political activity by the deployment of either mental or physical force. Further, in-extremis, all opponents (real or perceived) of the state will be eliminated from society either by physical other means".

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Message 1336706 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 17:50:26 UTC - in response to Message 1336522.

ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish.
Quote "There is no need to guess, not quess what I am and where I stand. I have said so many times now. What you fail to see and understand is the Rule of Law and the explanation of that rule called the Federalist Papers. I'm a Constitutionalist.", does not address the question. Please explain.


Oh, I beg to differ. Telling you what I am tells you what I am not.


ID, I did not ask you what you are! I asked you for your definition of socialism.
What you claim to be does not address the question. Doesn't circumlocution make you dizzy?
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Message 1336717 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 18:17:37 UTC - in response to Message 1336550.

ID, I am still awaiting to see your definitions of "right wing" and so on.
I can but assume you are incapable of such a definition, so must also be incapable of understanding the definition you provided for "socialism" is not the same as the extended definition you are using.
From your own words I see your definition of "Socialism" as being something like "A socio-political concept that exists to control all economic function, all social interaction and all political activity by the deployment of either mental or physical force. Further, in-extremis, all opponents (real or perceived) of the state will be eliminated from society either by physical other means".

Not quite, but a good start.

Socialism, as I have told you here at this site got it's start at Jekyll island with a Duck Hunt that start the Federal Reserve. This wasn't the first time the state go in bed with Banksters, but it was the first time that it happened with a soon to come changes (look at the dates of changes made in 1913) in our Constitution forced by Woodrow Wilson. This is REAL, real history, not made up nor is it part of my over worked imagination. I will call it socialism for now because it did not come with a "exalts nation" as Fascism does.

Fascism, as I have posted here is very close to socialism. But it is a weird twist of "exalts nation", and race. It does NOT have to come with exalts race, but of late it does seem to come with race baiters from all sides.

And here is where all you poor people at this site seem to get all mixed up and confused. I blame the public education you all had. The common thread of all this is a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader. Which all of you who bothered left out. True, at times it was stronger then others. But never the less strong central government with lobbiest for Big Biz.

Further more, I have told you here many times that I'm a Constitutionalist. The very word tells a story of LIMITED power, divided up within the states.


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Message 1336719 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 18:19:10 UTC - in response to Message 1336706.

ID, since I have reread your posts and was unable to find your definition would you cite which message you defined socialism otherwise please give us your definition. Anything less is confusing to those of us who want to understand what you are trying to say, hence gibberish.
Quote "There is no need to guess, not quess what I am and where I stand. I have said so many times now. What you fail to see and understand is the Rule of Law and the explanation of that rule called the Federalist Papers. I'm a Constitutionalist.", does not address the question. Please explain.


Oh, I beg to differ. Telling you what I am tells you what I am not.


ID, I did not ask you what you are! I asked you for your definition of socialism.
What you claim to be does not address the question. Doesn't circumlocution make you dizzy?

There is a reason I have you on my ignore list. Thank you for the reminder...

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Message 1336802 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 20:12:19 UTC

I did NOT ask for a history of your version of socialism, but a definition of the same, along with one for "right wing", "left-wing".
As ever you evade direct questions by the provision of so called historic answers.
If you want a historic perspective on socio-political and socio-economic theories you must go back a long way before 1913, rather back to the pre-Grecian era in about 1000BCE. Indeed it could be argued that the roots of socialism are to be found in the first few books of the Bible, in the 10 Commandments - which can be boiled down as "treat others as you would wish to be treated", which after all is one of the foundations of socialism - all men are equal.
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Message 1336810 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 20:28:07 UTC - in response to Message 1336802.
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I did NOT ask for a history of your version of socialism, but a definition of the same, along with one for "right wing", "left-wing".
As ever you evade direct questions by the provision of so called historic answers.
If you want a historic perspective on socio-political and socio-economic theories you must go back a long way before 1913, rather back to the pre-Grecian era in about 1000BCE. Indeed it could be argued that the roots of socialism are to be found in the first few books of the Bible, in the 10 Commandments - which can be boiled down as "treat others as you would wish to be treated", which after all is one of the foundations of socialism - all men are equal.



I did, you missed it. Left, socialism. Right, Fascism. I had to give you the basics so you could follow along. It seems that I should have been MORE basic for you.
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Message 1336818 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 20:34:13 UTC

Incomplete, as you must surely know - I asked for YOUR definition of the two, as socio-political, or socio-economic concepts or states.
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Message 1336822 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 20:41:14 UTC

Aside, some class "fascism" as left wing socio-political, while being right wing socio-economic (With this in mind one could be very provocative and deduce that since fascism is both "left" and "right" it must be of the centre). As I said we need YOUR (working) definitions, not their relationships to each other.
In some thinking there is a third point in the same plane, but displaced from the socio-political/socio-economic axis, this point being (for want of a better word) "totalitarian" - I think we would both agree that "fascism" is a long way in that direction.

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Message 1336826 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 20:46:40 UTC - in response to Message 1336818.

Incomplete, as you must surely know - I asked for YOUR definition of the two, as socio-political, or socio-economic concepts or states.


I WILL give as much as I want when I want. I ALLOW others to fill in THEIR own blanks.

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Message 1336828 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 20:48:39 UTC - in response to Message 1336822.

Aside, some class "fascism" as left wing socio-political, while being right wing socio-economic (With this in mind one could be very provocative and deduce that since fascism is both "left" and "right" it must be of the centre). As I said we need YOUR (working) definitions, not their relationships to each other.
In some thinking there is a third point in the same plane, but displaced from the socio-political/socio-economic axis, this point being (for want of a better word) "totalitarian" - I think we would both agree that "fascism" is a long way in that direction.

"totalitarian"--yes we agree.

However, the flip side of that coin is socialism with Communism as end game.
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Message 1336831 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 20:51:44 UTC

No, think about South Africa in the apartheid era, a highly capitalistic society, very much "non-communist", but very totalitarian in its approach to a large proportion of its community (and I'm not only talking about its approach to the "non-white" community)
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Message 1336848 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 21:35:20 UTC - in response to Message 1336719.

ID, is your refusal to answer the question of what is your definition of socialism because you don't have a coherent answer?
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Message 1336862 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 22:16:25 UTC - in response to Message 1336831.

No, think about South Africa in the apartheid era, a highly capitalistic society, very much "non-communist", but very totalitarian in its approach to a large proportion of its community (and I'm not only talking about its approach to the "non-white" community)


You should see what we have now!
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Message 1336954 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 5:28:44 UTC - in response to Message 1336831.

No, think about South Africa in the apartheid era, a highly capitalistic society, very much "non-communist", but very totalitarian in its approach to a large proportion of its community (and I'm not only talking about its approach to the "non-white" community)

That was Fascism...
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Message 1337016 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 11:23:57 UTC
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So your coin has at least three faces?
Admit it, you are out of your depth, unable to define most of the words you use to belittle another society, or part thereof.
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Message 1337035 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 14:07:23 UTC - in response to Message 1337016.
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So your coin has at least three faces?
Admit it, you are out of your depth, unable to define most of the words you use to belittle another society, or part thereof.


Nope, wont do such a thing. Not true.

What's the matter. don't like Webster? LOL!

Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Constitutionalist....Id have to say the coin many sides.

In this Country there is room for only one. That would be Constitutionalism.
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