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Message 1323436 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 1:36:43 UTC - in response to Message 1323430.  

At which point the entire lab goes offline for a quarterly outage to rebuild fragile electrical infrastructure again.

January looks to be a rather depressing month for SETI addicts.




I suspect one of the guys came in to do a restart, but things are not coming back up smoothly. Hope it all gets sorted soon, but if not, I've got enough work to last until Thursday.

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Message 1323437 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 1:44:26 UTC - in response to Message 1323436.  

At which point the entire lab goes offline for a quarterly outage to rebuild fragile electrical infrastructure again.

January looks to be a rather depressing month for SETI addicts.

I suspect one of the guys came in to do a restart, but things are not coming back up smoothly. Hope it all gets sorted soon, but if not, I've got enough work to last until Thursday.

Oh, yeah. Well, then I hope we can get work Wednesday. If not, I'll have to open the vent damper into my study, and let the furnace heat the room instead of my two Wintel crunchers. My ancient Mac G4s in the dining room have enough work to last until Monday.
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Message 1323443 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 2:19:21 UTC - in response to Message 1323435.  
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TBar wrote:
Interesting. So, using your logic, we shouldn't use the optimized Apps at all. Seeing as how they drastically reduce the work time and result in reduced credits and all. If I wasn't using the optimized Lunatics CPU app, that CPU 603 task would take close to 5 hours instead of the 2 hours it does with the optimized CPU app. Do you recommend not using the optimized Apps? How about faster video cards/CPUs, they also drastically reduce work time... I'm really not interested in any other Projects.


No.

If your PC calculate with the stock project apps they have their own:
Host/Application details/'Average processing rate'
.. after 10 granted results, the Credits 'should' be correct.
E.g. 'SETI@home Enhanced 6.03 windows_intelx86'.

After installation of the opt. project apps they get their own:
Host/Application details/'Average processing rate'
.. after 10 granted results, the Credits 'should' be correct.
E.g. 'SETI@home Enhanced (anonymous platform, CPU)'.

If you rename the WUs in BOINC (CPU -> GPU, GPU -> CPU), the SAH server don't get info about this.
Online the WUs are still CPU WUs, the calculation time is much shorter than the estimated calculation time, with the result of less Credits.

No, if you rename GPU WUs to CPU WUs, you don't get more Credits.

After introduction of the new Credit system 'CreditNew' at SAH, Fred added the info:
Warning, rescheduling may result in less credits, for you or your wing man.
Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.



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Message 1323452 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 3:23:36 UTC - in response to Message 1323443.  

TBar wrote:
Interesting. So, using your logic, we shouldn't use the optimized Apps at all. Seeing as how they drastically reduce the work time and result in reduced credits and all. If I wasn't using the optimized Lunatics CPU app, that CPU 603 task would take close to 5 hours instead of the 2 hours it does with the optimized CPU app. Do you recommend not using the optimized Apps? How about faster video cards/CPUs, they also drastically reduce work time... I'm really not interested in any other Projects.


No.

If your PC calculate with the stock project apps they have their own:
Host/Application details/'Average processing rate'
.. after 10 granted results, the Credits 'should' be correct.
E.g. 'SETI@home Enhanced 6.03 windows_intelx86'.

After installation of the opt. project apps they get their own:
Host/Application details/'Average processing rate'
.. after 10 granted results, the Credits 'should' be correct.
E.g. 'SETI@home Enhanced (anonymous platform, CPU)'.

If you rename the WUs in BOINC (CPU -> GPU, GPU -> CPU), the SAH server don't get info about this.
Online the WUs are still CPU WUs, the calculation time is much shorter than the estimated calculation time, with the result of less Credits.

No, if you rename GPU WUs to CPU WUs, you don't get more Credits.

After introduction of the new Credit system 'CreditNew' at SAH, Fred added the info:
Warning, rescheduling may result in less credits, for you or your wing man.
Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.



* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)
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Message 1323453 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 3:25:01 UTC - in response to Message 1323293.  

Sounds like I should just let my 295s do 1 at a time then. Thanks for the information.

1 wu per 2xx gpu is advised.
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Message 1323489 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 6:32:12 UTC

It's funny, but S@H isn't the only project with Ghosts, Einstein is also Haunted... But I'm too sleepy... Night y'all.
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Message 1323569 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 13:00:10 UTC

Well all of my 200 wu are ready to report and waiting for more work.
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Message 1323600 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 14:22:12 UTC

Just wonder if the staff will kick start the project a bit today after the outage (if they do it) so we can get a little chunk of WU's before all closes down over the weekend...
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Message 1323613 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 14:46:44 UTC - in response to Message 1323452.  

TBar wrote:
This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)


It's the point of view ..

For you - if you reschedule WUs around in BOINC - your PC can crunch a few minutes/hours longer/faster SAH WUs.
But then, all WUs calculated, no new WUs from SAH?
Maybe for you it's OK to get less Credits for the results.
This is your decision.

Other members/your wingmen look to their online overviews and are confused why a few results get less Credits - than normally.
It's not their decision.
They need to tolerate it because someone other rescheduled WUs in his BOINC?
They get less Credits. This is fair?

I used the BoincRescheduler tool before 'CreditNew'.
Since then never again, because I think it's not fair towards my wingmen.

For a long time I had EMail contact with the SETI@home Director Dr. David P. Anderson and he said:
'Since the new Credit System 'CreditNew' you shouldn't longer use a reschedule tool for to send CPU WUs to GPU or GPU WUs to CPU.'


* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *
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Message 1323623 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 15:31:54 UTC - in response to Message 1323613.  

TBar wrote:
This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)


It's the point of view ..

For you - if you reschedule WUs around in BOINC - your PC can crunch a few minutes/hours longer/faster SAH WUs.
But then, all WUs calculated, no new WUs from SAH?
Maybe for you it's OK to get less Credits for the results.
This is your decision.

Other members/your wingmen look to their online overviews and are confused why a few results get less Credits - than normally.
It's not their decision.
They need to tolerate it because someone other rescheduled WUs in his BOINC?
They get less Credits. This is fair?

I used the BoincRescheduler tool before 'CreditNew'.
Since then never again, because I think it's not fair towards my wingmen.

For a long time I had EMail contact with the SETI@home Director Dr. David P. Anderson and he said:
'Since the new Credit System 'CreditNew' you shouldn't longer use a reschedule tool for to send CPU WUs to GPU or GPU WUs to CPU.'


* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

Take all your concern over some arbitrary numbers, plus a few 100 billion of those arbitrary numbers, and see what they will buy you. I'm afraid they won't buy much, and they certainly won't help you find ET any faster. I'm here for results, which means completing as many units as my means will allow. If I could afford it, I would buy the latest and greatest gear and not worry about any associated cost. I certainly wouldn't worry about some arbitrary number someone decided to 'grant' me. Those numbers will not help you in your final quest. I'm here to find results, not to amass some useless number. I'm sorry if your goal is not the same.
Have a good day.
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Message 1323626 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 15:40:53 UTC

I am not transferring any work around between CPU and GPU.
All 9 rigs are running, have all run out of GPU work, and a least a few have also crunched up all the CPU work they had.
So, it would be pretty pointless to transfer CPU work to the GPUs just to run out a little faster...LOL.

I'll be letting them idle hoping to get some more Seti work today and tomorrow, and then the kitties will open up the GPUs to Einstein during the weekend power repair outage.

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Message 1323635 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 16:14:32 UTC

I have my machines in full backup project mode with Primegrid at 0% resource.

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Message 1323638 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 16:24:14 UTC

I guess I'm kind of glad I have a non-GPU machine. I had a full 10-day cache even with the limits, so I should have enough work to last until the 10th. I just went ahead and suspended network activity anyway. I'll wait until after the scheduled down-time to report and upload.
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record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)
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Message 1323639 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 16:30:51 UTC - in response to Message 1323635.  

I have my machines in full backup project mode with Primegrid at 0% resource.

Three of my faster machines have already failedover to Prime. Not sure when. I haven't been checking on things with the holidays & such. However most of my machines are still sporting a 5-7 day cache. As they are rather slow.
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Message 1323655 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 17:09:03 UTC
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What machine needs to be running to allow reports for completed tasks? Over 90% of my machine's caches are empty and I have over 14,000 tasks that are uploaded but stay at "Ready to report".

Edit: of course as soon as I posted this the "scheduling server" (Synergy) switched to running and my machines started reporting all their completed task.
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Message 1323659 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 17:24:45 UTC - in response to Message 1323623.  

TBar wrote:
This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)


It's the point of view ..

For you - if you reschedule WUs around in BOINC - your PC can crunch a few minutes/hours longer/faster SAH WUs.
But then, all WUs calculated, no new WUs from SAH?
Maybe for you it's OK to get less Credits for the results.
This is your decision.

Other members/your wingmen look to their online overviews and are confused why a few results get less Credits - than normally.
It's not their decision.
They need to tolerate it because someone other rescheduled WUs in his BOINC?
They get less Credits. This is fair?

I used the BoincRescheduler tool before 'CreditNew'.
Since then never again, because I think it's not fair towards my wingmen.

For a long time I had EMail contact with the SETI@home Director Dr. David P. Anderson and he said:
'Since the new Credit System 'CreditNew' you shouldn't longer use a reschedule tool for to send CPU WUs to GPU or GPU WUs to CPU.'


* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

Take all your concern over some arbitrary numbers, plus a few 100 billion of those arbitrary numbers, and see what they will buy you. I'm afraid they won't buy much, and they certainly won't help you find ET any faster. I'm here for results, which means completing as many units as my means will allow. If I could afford it, I would buy the latest and greatest gear and not worry about any associated cost. I certainly wouldn't worry about some arbitrary number someone decided to 'grant' me. Those numbers will not help you in your final quest. I'm here to find results, not to amass some useless number. I'm sorry if your goal is not the same.
Have a good day.

As I understand this, you have a bunch of CPU tasks and you're out of GPU tasks, and you want to reassign the CPU tasks to the GPU so they'll get done faster. What's the point? Let's say you have 80 hours' worth of work and you transfer it and it gets done in 12 hours instead, but the servers are still down and you still can't get any more work? What have you gained? Nothing that I can see.

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Message 1323676 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 18:07:28 UTC - in response to Message 1323659.  

TBar wrote:
This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)


It's the point of view ..

For you - if you reschedule WUs around in BOINC - your PC can crunch a few minutes/hours longer/faster SAH WUs.
But then, all WUs calculated, no new WUs from SAH?
Maybe for you it's OK to get less Credits for the results.
This is your decision.

Other members/your wingmen look to their online overviews and are confused why a few results get less Credits - than normally.
It's not their decision.
They need to tolerate it because someone other rescheduled WUs in his BOINC?
They get less Credits. This is fair?

I used the BoincRescheduler tool before 'CreditNew'.
Since then never again, because I think it's not fair towards my wingmen.

For a long time I had EMail contact with the SETI@home Director Dr. David P. Anderson and he said:
'Since the new Credit System 'CreditNew' you shouldn't longer use a reschedule tool for to send CPU WUs to GPU or GPU WUs to CPU.'


* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

Take all your concern over some arbitrary numbers, plus a few 100 billion of those arbitrary numbers, and see what they will buy you. I'm afraid they won't buy much, and they certainly won't help you find ET any faster. I'm here for results, which means completing as many units as my means will allow. If I could afford it, I would buy the latest and greatest gear and not worry about any associated cost. I certainly wouldn't worry about some arbitrary number someone decided to 'grant' me. Those numbers will not help you in your final quest. I'm here to find results, not to amass some useless number. I'm sorry if your goal is not the same.
Have a good day.

As I understand this, you have a bunch of CPU tasks and you're out of GPU tasks, and you want to reassign the CPU tasks to the GPU so they'll get done faster. What's the point? Let's say you have 80 hours' worth of work and you transfer it and it gets done in 12 hours instead, but the servers are still down and you still can't get any more work? What have you gained? Nothing that I can see.

Except that just as my nVidia card finished the last non-vlar, the servers came back up and now it is back to working 609s without losing a beat. I still had over half a days worth of vlars I was about to begin with the CPUs. As I see it, there was a point. I actually had done the math and considered the servers coming back up today a strong possibility. Years ago, when it wasn't really needed, Fred constructed an App to do basically what I had done. Why did Fred construct such an App back before the current Limits? What do you suppose was his motivation? I wasn't aware this project was filled with as many credit junkies as it appears to be. The last time I worked SETI all that mattered was Units completed and Hours spent. Maybe this project should revert to it's original intent.
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Message 1323683 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 18:23:54 UTC
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The crickets live!

And have you seen the numbers of results ready to send?
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Message 1323687 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 18:30:09 UTC
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My 303 reports spread across here an Beta disappeared in a flash!!

Unfortunately here has "No tasks available"
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Message 1323691 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 18:35:42 UTC - in response to Message 1323687.  

My 303 uploads spread across here an Beta disappeared in a flash!!

Unfortunately here has "No tasks available"

All my machines managed to report just after 1700 UTC but only two were able to get any new tasks before a tap was turned off somewhere.
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