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Message 1323420 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 0:57:27 UTC - in response to Message 1323413.
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There has to be something I'm missing...
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Perhaps this.
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Message 1323422 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 1:01:08 UTC - in response to Message 1323413.
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Just a note ..

If you do something like this, you (not only for this WUs, maybe also for a few following) and your wingmen will get less Credits.

The tasks are still online marked as CPU WUs, but finished much faster (on the GPU) than the CPU WUs normally do, so you get less Credits.
Because SAH grant the lowest Credits of the paired results of one WU, the wingmen of all this WUs get also lower Credits granted.

Because of this it's not longer recommended to use e.g. BoincRescheduler since CreditNew.

E.g. let crunch secondary BOINC projects and let the client_state.XML file like it is - and don't edit the app_info.XML file.


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Message 1323430 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 1:18:51 UTC
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As many of us know, the Cricket graphs tanked at about 1850 PST Monday night. Something crashed hard.

At about 1100 PST today, I got bounced out of the Cafe forum with the message "Project is temporarily down for maintenance." The SSP showed everything except the 4 main databases as "Disabled". About 1500 PST many of the server functions were back online, and I was able to return to the Forums. As of now more functions are showing green, including the upload, download, and Scheduler, but the Feeder is still off-line and the Cricket graphs are still down in the noise.

I suspect one of the guys came in to do a restart, but things are not coming back up smoothly. Hope it all gets sorted soon, but if not, I've got enough work to last until Thursday.
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Message 1323432 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 1:22:20 UTC - in response to Message 1323420.

There has to be something I'm missing...
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Perhaps this.

Hummm, that sounds more complicated than simply adding that version entry to the nVidia entry, then removing it when the servers are back...

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Message 1323435 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 1:34:30 UTC - in response to Message 1323422.

Just a note ..

If you do something like this, you (not only for this WUs, maybe also for a few following) and your wingmen will get less Credits.

The tasks are still online marked as CPU WUs, but finished much faster (on the GPU) than the CPU WUs normally do, so you get less Credits.
Because SAH grant the lowest Credits of the paired results of one WU, the wingmen of all this WUs get also lower Credits granted.

Because of this it's not longer recommended to use e.g. BoincRescheduler since CreditNew.

E.g. let crunch secondary BOINC projects and let the client_state.XML file like it is - and don't edit the app_info.XML file.


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Interesting. So, using your logic, we shouldn't use the optimized Apps at all. Seeing as how they drastically reduce the work time and result in reduced credits and all. If I wasn't using the optimized Lunatics CPU app, that CPU 603 task would take close to 5 hours instead of the 2 hours it does with the optimized CPU app. Do you recommend not using the optimized Apps? How about faster video cards/CPUs, they also drastically reduce work time... I'm really not interested in any other Projects.

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Message 1323436 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 1:36:43 UTC - in response to Message 1323430.

At which point the entire lab goes offline for a quarterly outage to rebuild fragile electrical infrastructure again.

January looks to be a rather depressing month for SETI addicts.




I suspect one of the guys came in to do a restart, but things are not coming back up smoothly. Hope it all gets sorted soon, but if not, I've got enough work to last until Thursday.

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Message 1323437 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 1:44:26 UTC - in response to Message 1323436.

At which point the entire lab goes offline for a quarterly outage to rebuild fragile electrical infrastructure again.

January looks to be a rather depressing month for SETI addicts.

I suspect one of the guys came in to do a restart, but things are not coming back up smoothly. Hope it all gets sorted soon, but if not, I've got enough work to last until Thursday.

Oh, yeah. Well, then I hope we can get work Wednesday. If not, I'll have to open the vent damper into my study, and let the furnace heat the room instead of my two Wintel crunchers. My ancient Mac G4s in the dining room have enough work to last until Monday.
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Message 1323443 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 2:19:21 UTC - in response to Message 1323435.
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Interesting. So, using your logic, we shouldn't use the optimized Apps at all. Seeing as how they drastically reduce the work time and result in reduced credits and all. If I wasn't using the optimized Lunatics CPU app, that CPU 603 task would take close to 5 hours instead of the 2 hours it does with the optimized CPU app. Do you recommend not using the optimized Apps? How about faster video cards/CPUs, they also drastically reduce work time... I'm really not interested in any other Projects.


No.

If your PC calculate with the stock project apps they have their own:
Host/Application details/'Average processing rate'
.. after 10 granted results, the Credits 'should' be correct.
E.g. 'SETI@home Enhanced 6.03 windows_intelx86'.

After installation of the opt. project apps they get their own:
Host/Application details/'Average processing rate'
.. after 10 granted results, the Credits 'should' be correct.
E.g. 'SETI@home Enhanced (anonymous platform, CPU)'.

If you rename the WUs in BOINC (CPU -> GPU, GPU -> CPU), the SAH server don't get info about this.
Online the WUs are still CPU WUs, the calculation time is much shorter than the estimated calculation time, with the result of less Credits.

No, if you rename GPU WUs to CPU WUs, you don't get more Credits.

After introduction of the new Credit system 'CreditNew' at SAH, Fred added the info:
Warning, rescheduling may result in less credits, for you or your wing man.
Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.



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Message 1323452 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 3:23:36 UTC - in response to Message 1323443.

TBar wrote:
Interesting. So, using your logic, we shouldn't use the optimized Apps at all. Seeing as how they drastically reduce the work time and result in reduced credits and all. If I wasn't using the optimized Lunatics CPU app, that CPU 603 task would take close to 5 hours instead of the 2 hours it does with the optimized CPU app. Do you recommend not using the optimized Apps? How about faster video cards/CPUs, they also drastically reduce work time... I'm really not interested in any other Projects.


No.

If your PC calculate with the stock project apps they have their own:
Host/Application details/'Average processing rate'
.. after 10 granted results, the Credits 'should' be correct.
E.g. 'SETI@home Enhanced 6.03 windows_intelx86'.

After installation of the opt. project apps they get their own:
Host/Application details/'Average processing rate'
.. after 10 granted results, the Credits 'should' be correct.
E.g. 'SETI@home Enhanced (anonymous platform, CPU)'.

If you rename the WUs in BOINC (CPU -> GPU, GPU -> CPU), the SAH server don't get info about this.
Online the WUs are still CPU WUs, the calculation time is much shorter than the estimated calculation time, with the result of less Credits.

No, if you rename GPU WUs to CPU WUs, you don't get more Credits.

After introduction of the new Credit system 'CreditNew' at SAH, Fred added the info:
Warning, rescheduling may result in less credits, for you or your wing man.
Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.



* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)

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Message 1323453 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 3:25:01 UTC - in response to Message 1323293.

Sounds like I should just let my 295s do 1 at a time then. Thanks for the information.

1 wu per 2xx gpu is advised.
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Message 1323489 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 6:32:12 UTC

It's funny, but S@H isn't the only project with Ghosts, Einstein is also Haunted... But I'm too sleepy... Night y'all.
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Message 1323569 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 13:00:10 UTC

Well all of my 200 wu are ready to report and waiting for more work.
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Message 1323600 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 14:22:12 UTC

Just wonder if the staff will kick start the project a bit today after the outage (if they do it) so we can get a little chunk of WU's before all closes down over the weekend...
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Message 1323613 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 14:46:44 UTC - in response to Message 1323452.

TBar wrote:
This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)


It's the point of view ..

For you - if you reschedule WUs around in BOINC - your PC can crunch a few minutes/hours longer/faster SAH WUs.
But then, all WUs calculated, no new WUs from SAH?
Maybe for you it's OK to get less Credits for the results.
This is your decision.

Other members/your wingmen look to their online overviews and are confused why a few results get less Credits - than normally.
It's not their decision.
They need to tolerate it because someone other rescheduled WUs in his BOINC?
They get less Credits. This is fair?

I used the BoincRescheduler tool before 'CreditNew'.
Since then never again, because I think it's not fair towards my wingmen.

For a long time I had EMail contact with the SETI@home Director Dr. David P. Anderson and he said:
'Since the new Credit System 'CreditNew' you shouldn't longer use a reschedule tool for to send CPU WUs to GPU or GPU WUs to CPU.'


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Message 1323623 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 15:31:54 UTC - in response to Message 1323613.

TBar wrote:
This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)


It's the point of view ..

For you - if you reschedule WUs around in BOINC - your PC can crunch a few minutes/hours longer/faster SAH WUs.
But then, all WUs calculated, no new WUs from SAH?
Maybe for you it's OK to get less Credits for the results.
This is your decision.

Other members/your wingmen look to their online overviews and are confused why a few results get less Credits - than normally.
It's not their decision.
They need to tolerate it because someone other rescheduled WUs in his BOINC?
They get less Credits. This is fair?

I used the BoincRescheduler tool before 'CreditNew'.
Since then never again, because I think it's not fair towards my wingmen.

For a long time I had EMail contact with the SETI@home Director Dr. David P. Anderson and he said:
'Since the new Credit System 'CreditNew' you shouldn't longer use a reschedule tool for to send CPU WUs to GPU or GPU WUs to CPU.'


* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

Take all your concern over some arbitrary numbers, plus a few 100 billion of those arbitrary numbers, and see what they will buy you. I'm afraid they won't buy much, and they certainly won't help you find ET any faster. I'm here for results, which means completing as many units as my means will allow. If I could afford it, I would buy the latest and greatest gear and not worry about any associated cost. I certainly wouldn't worry about some arbitrary number someone decided to 'grant' me. Those numbers will not help you in your final quest. I'm here to find results, not to amass some useless number. I'm sorry if your goal is not the same.
Have a good day.

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Message 1323635 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 16:14:32 UTC

I have my machines in full backup project mode with Primegrid at 0% resource.
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Message 1323638 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 16:24:14 UTC

I guess I'm kind of glad I have a non-GPU machine. I had a full 10-day cache even with the limits, so I should have enough work to last until the 10th. I just went ahead and suspended network activity anyway. I'll wait until after the scheduled down-time to report and upload.
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Message 1323639 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 16:30:51 UTC - in response to Message 1323635.

I have my machines in full backup project mode with Primegrid at 0% resource.

Three of my faster machines have already failedover to Prime. Not sure when. I haven't been checking on things with the holidays & such. However most of my machines are still sporting a 5-7 day cache. As they are rather slow.
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Message 1323655 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 17:09:03 UTC
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What machine needs to be running to allow reports for completed tasks? Over 90% of my machine's caches are empty and I have over 14,000 tasks that are uploaded but stay at "Ready to report".

Edit: of course as soon as I posted this the "scheduling server" (Synergy) switched to running and my machines started reporting all their completed task.
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