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Message 1328035 - Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 19:32:58 UTC - in response to Message 1327906.  

Guy, I hope they don't find your hidden bunker.
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Message 1328040 - Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 19:49:31 UTC - in response to Message 1328035.  

Guy, I hope they don't find your hidden bunker.


I kinda hope they do.. but that aside I think we see the reason that at LEAST a certification of mental health is needed before firearms can be aquired.
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Message 1328042 - Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 19:55:20 UTC - in response to Message 1327782.  

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Number three is simple. Ban the crazy. If there are no crazies on the street then there are no crazies shooting up schools. -- Sounds about the same as banning guns to accomplish the same thing. The thing to remember is a crazy can go off with a knife or a bomb as well as a gun. Control the crazy and get better results.

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Ban the crazy? So crazy people are less than human and should be afforded no rights, no liberty? Should we go back to the Victorian era and lock them all away in asylums so no one has to look at them?

Or better yet, shall we go the way of Hitler and get rid of the mentally infirm using a more permanent method?

Mentally ill people are still people. Please try to remember that.
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Message 1328049 - Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 20:13:35 UTC - in response to Message 1328042.  

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Number three is simple. Ban the crazy. If there are no crazies on the street then there are no crazies shooting up schools. -- Sounds about the same as banning guns to accomplish the same thing. The thing to remember is a crazy can go off with a knife or a bomb as well as a gun. Control the crazy and get better results.

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Ban the crazy? So crazy people are less than human and should be afforded no rights, no liberty? Should we go back to the Victorian era and lock them all away in asylums so no one has to look at them?

Or better yet, shall we go the way of Hitler and get rid of the mentally infirm using a more permanent method?

Mentally ill people are still people. Please try to remember that.


Mental Disorders in America

Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year


The National Institute of Mental Health, The Numbers Count: Mental Disorders in America
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Message 1328074 - Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 21:05:39 UTC - in response to Message 1328042.  

Or better yet, shall we go the way of Hitler and get rid of the mentally infirm using a more permanent method?

I didn't expect Godwin's law out of you Es?

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Message 1328095 - Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 22:32:01 UTC - in response to Message 1328042.  

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Number three is simple. Ban the crazy. If there are no crazies on the street then there are no crazies shooting up schools. -- Sounds about the same as banning guns to accomplish the same thing. The thing to remember is a crazy can go off with a knife or a bomb as well as a gun. Control the crazy and get better results.

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Ban the crazy? So crazy people are less than human and should be afforded no rights, no liberty? Should we go back to the Victorian era and lock them all away in asylums so no one has to look at them?

Or better yet, shall we go the way of Hitler and get rid of the mentally infirm using a more permanent method?

Mentally ill people are still people. Please try to remember that.

I would recommend they be treated.. yes even forcibly if they present a threat.
But of course that would fit well with a national health plan. Extended to cover mental health.
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Message 1328115 - Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 0:30:26 UTC

Should not The People Surrounding Wyatt Earp, Today, been The Real Victims Of Firearm Crazyness? A bunch Of Young Black Men In Hoodies. They are dying at the rate of A Mass Killing A Week.

Especially In Wyatt Earp's Home Of Chicago. Pitiful.

Anyways, I Feel Safer Already. Don't You?

Yepper, it is Small, Incremental, DISCRETE Steps needed For Our Safety.

23 Federal Today. States Chiming In(NY) with theirs. Soon Soon Soon, Duck and Cover, like In The Nuke Scares Of Yesteryear, will Be A Thang Of The Past.

So, As Hustlin' Hussein, aka Wyatt Earp is Slowly Increasing Our Safety, maybe by Election Day 2016, The Gruesome Daily News, will Be History.

We Can Only Hope, For The Change.

PROFessor S. Say: High Noon Will Soon Be, Just Another Time For A Relaxing Drink and Tasty Meal.

May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!
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Message 1328132 - Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 1:57:39 UTC - in response to Message 1328074.  

Or better yet, shall we go the way of Hitler and get rid of the mentally infirm using a more permanent method?

I didn't expect Godwin's law out of you Es?


So, you're saying Hitler (or Stalin) made no such attempts?
Sorry, but most times, Godwin's Law probably applies. There are, however, times when the response is germane to the conversation.
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Message 1328146 - Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 3:13:26 UTC - in response to Message 1328074.  

Or better yet, shall we go the way of Hitler and get rid of the mentally infirm using a more permanent method?

I didn't expect Godwin's law out of you Es?

I was driven to it because what you were suggesting was so appalling...I am sure you are aware I wouldn't invoke a Hitler comparison lightly. Sometimes it is appropriate.
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Message 1328168 - Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 4:59:33 UTC - in response to Message 1328132.  

Or better yet, shall we go the way of Hitler and get rid of the mentally infirm using a more permanent method?

I didn't expect Godwin's law out of you Es?


So, you're saying Hitler (or Stalin) made no such attempts?
Sorry, but most times, Godwin's Law probably applies. There are, however, times when the response is germane to the conversation.


P.S.-when I asked you a few weeks back or so what experience you had with the mentally ill, and you responded with passing by them on the streets often enough (though I wonder if homeless and drunk or whatever is enough to make that designation), I meant what experience with family members or friends suffering a mental illness (to whatever degree).
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Message 1328197 - Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 6:29:40 UTC - in response to Message 1328168.  

Or better yet, shall we go the way of Hitler and get rid of the mentally infirm using a more permanent method?

I didn't expect Godwin's law out of you Es?


So, you're saying Hitler (or Stalin) made no such attempts?
Sorry, but most times, Godwin's Law probably applies. There are, however, times when the response is germane to the conversation.


P.S.-when I asked you a few weeks back or so what experience you had with the mentally ill, and you responded with passing by them on the streets often enough (though I wonder if homeless and drunk or whatever is enough to make that designation), I meant what experience with family members or friends suffering a mental illness (to whatever degree).

Personally I think there there is something very wrong with a society that would lock up innocent people for something they 'might' do rather than restrict access to guns.

So much for land of the free.
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Message 1328199 - Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 6:38:58 UTC - in response to Message 1328146.  

Or better yet, shall we go the way of Hitler and get rid of the mentally infirm using a more permanent method?

I didn't expect Godwin's law out of you Es?

I was driven to it because what you were suggesting was so appalling...I am sure you are aware I wouldn't invoke a Hitler comparison lightly. Sometimes it is appropriate.

I simply replaced the word GUN with CRAZY in the strident calls for gun control I hear. You are right that the thought process behind such bans is appalling.

I do see Obama addressed some of the Crazy recognition issues with his batch of orders. I also forgive you for not realizing in the USA how screwed up we are because of HIPAA and other such medical privacy laws in assessing crazies. Without the ability to share information -- never mind a requirement to do so -- on crazies it becomes impossible to evaluate them. Say there are 10 acts a person has done, but treated by 10 different professionals. Without the professionals permitted to share the 10 acts, each might assume that the person isn't crazy, just having a really bad day. Put them together and the picture may be "a clear and present danger to himself or others." That is the reason that it requires police action before many crazies are diagnosed and by the time the police become involved it is already too late.

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Message 1328523 - Posted: 18 Jan 2013, 4:30:14 UTC - in response to Message 1318917.  

This ID dude is seriously thinking that guys in the woods with guns are an army.

What good will a deer rifle do against heat-seeking, laser and satellite guided armed drones?
Does ID really think by squatting in a cave in the woods with that rifle, he will stave off the US army or a foreign invasion of troops using the latest military technology?

Pull your head out of your arse man! Do rightists ever think anything through to it's conclusion?


yes that is the way people thinking in the US you absolute right!!
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Message 1328541 - Posted: 18 Jan 2013, 6:59:20 UTC - in response to Message 1328199.  
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I simply replaced the word GUN with CRAZY in the strident calls for gun control I hear. You are right that the thought process behind such bans is appalling.

Who would treat people as if they were guns? I am afraid I don't understand your analogy.

I do see Obama addressed some of the Crazy recognition issues with his batch of orders. I also forgive you for not realizing in the USA how screwed up we are because of HIPAA and other such medical privacy laws in assessing crazies. Without the ability to share information -- never mind a requirement to do so -- on crazies it becomes impossible to evaluate them. Say there are 10 acts a person has done, but treated by 10 different professionals. Without the professionals permitted to share the 10 acts, each might assume that the person isn't crazy, just having a really bad day. Put them together and the picture may be "a clear and present danger to himself or others." That is the reason that it requires police action before many crazies are diagnosed and by the time the police become involved it is already too late.

You really are seriously talking about legislating people and tracking them rather than legislating and tracking guns?

Are you aware how bizarre that is?
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Message 1328615 - Posted: 18 Jan 2013, 12:10:28 UTC - in response to Message 1328199.  
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How do you classify people as crazy?
And if you do find a test that fits the hypothesis how will it work out?

Go see if you can watch a BBC Horizon program called "Are you good or Evil" and see if you idea's are valid. I very much doubt it, you would end up locking up 1000's just to stop a couple of "crazies". Amongst those you would lock up would be "Captains of Industry" and Scientists.

http://bilstonjay.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/bbc-horizon-are-you-good-or-evil-i-don%E2%80%99t-know-any-more-after-watching-your-documentary-maybe%E2%80%A6/

edit] Also go look up the warrior gene.
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Message 1328654 - Posted: 18 Jan 2013, 14:59:37 UTC - in response to Message 1328541.  

You really are seriously talking about legislating people and tracking them rather than legislating and tracking guns?

You want to lock guns up. Fine. Who gets the key? Suddenly we are back to people. It always has been about people. We might as well quit beating around the bush and accept that it is a people control/tracking issue.
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Message 1328656 - Posted: 18 Jan 2013, 15:02:13 UTC - in response to Message 1328615.  

WK, if the titans of the Banks would have been locked up, then it sounds like it is sorting correctly.

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