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Message 1314124 - Posted: 12 Dec 2012, 3:42:46 UTC - in response to Message 1314091.

Be careful I.D. you say it is a letter to his grandson. So that would be someone with the surname Eppes or Randolph.

In the index of the nearly 500 page document you linked to, there are no letters to anybody by those names.

Now find the document you think you linked and post the correct link.

Or issue an apology right now or you will be red buttoned again.

Winter, please don't red x ID, his words need to be heard, they clearly expose the warped ideas he endorses.
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Message 1314129 - Posted: 12 Dec 2012, 4:13:37 UTC - in response to Message 1314126.

ID, I'm all for free speech, and the open exchange of ideas.
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Message 1314398 - Posted: 12 Dec 2012, 20:32:15 UTC - in response to Message 1314093.

Be careful I.D. you say it is a letter to his grandson. So that would be someone with the surname Eppes or Randolph.

In the index of the nearly 500 page document you linked to, there are no letters to anybody by those names.

Now find the document you think you linked and post the correct link.

Or issue an apology right now or you will be red buttoned again.


To who

Everybody that's tried to help you understand that the link you provided in the OP is not to the thing you believe it to be.

and for what?

For failing to realize the error you made, despite repeated attempts to draw your attention to it.

Bobby? I have him blocked and I can't see what he writes!

And yet you still appeared to suggest I read a book rather than use a browser search in order to find something that does not appear to be on the page you linked. You may think you've discovered a cunning plan to send others off on wild goose chases, or you may have made an error. At the moment I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and think the latter.

Please do as WK requested (see above in bold).
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Message 1314409 - Posted: 12 Dec 2012, 20:59:55 UTC

Also read the letter to his grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, written November 24, 1808, in which he gave advice on character and education.
. . . Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics. In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in fact or principle. . . . Get by them, therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of sense to dispute the road with such an animal. You will be more exposed than others to have these animals shaking their horns at you, because of the relation in which you stand with me.

TJ to gSon TJR

DEMON...HOT Link
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Message 1314464 - Posted: 12 Dec 2012, 23:30:06 UTC - in response to Message 1314409.

Also read the letter to his grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, written November 24, 1808, in which he gave advice on character and education.
. . . Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics. In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in fact or principle. . . . Get by them, therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of sense to dispute the road with such an animal. You will be more exposed than others to have these animals shaking their horns at you, because of the relation in which you stand with me.

TJ to gSon TJR

DEMON...HOT Link


There ya go my friend! THATS the one. And Im not shocked at all you seen it! Not at all!

Later that young man--[at the time], proved that his Grandfather helped write the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions!

I.D.--WHITE HOT!!!!! LOL!

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Message 1314487 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 0:58:11 UTC - in response to Message 1314464.

Also read the letter to his grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, written November 24, 1808, in which he gave advice on character and education.
. . . Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics. In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in fact or principle. . . . Get by them, therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of sense to dispute the road with such an animal. You will be more exposed than others to have these animals shaking their horns at you, because of the relation in which you stand with me.

TJ to gSon TJR

DEMON...HOT Link


There ya go my friend! THATS the one. And Im not shocked at all you seen it! Not at all!

Later that young man--[at the time], proved that his Grandfather helped write the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions!

I.D.--WHITE HOT!!!!! LOL!

So a letter that does not mention nullification or Kentucky, was not included in the book linked in the OP, is the one I.D. meant all along? Right! Oh and the Grandson did indeed help show his Grandfather's involvement in the writing of the Kentucky Resolution, though I believe it was Madison who provided most assistance with the one for Virginia, and Madison was not an advocate of nullification. Neither was Lincoln for that matter.
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Message 1314514 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 4:54:46 UTC - in response to Message 1314487.

... And it warns about dealing with fringe loonies?

Hmm kinda hard to argue with things like that..
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Message 1314522 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 5:54:50 UTC - in response to Message 1314514.

... And it warns about dealing with fringe loonies?

Hmm kinda hard to argue with things like that..

You wouldn't be suggesting we have our own group of fiery zealots would you?

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Message 1314549 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 9:02:44 UTC

You wouldn't be suggesting we have our own group of fiery zealots would you?


Yep. GOREbal Warming Zealots/Loonies. Solar/Wind Turbine Alt. Energy Zealots-Loonies. Hustlin' Hussein Making Better World Zealots/Loonies. Fossil Fuel Hatin' Zealots/Loonies. Union Thug Loving Zealots/Loonies. On and On. Yep.

DEMON...Zealots/Loonies On FIRE. aka as HOT.
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Message 1314562 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 10:20:55 UTC - in response to Message 1314522.

... And it warns about dealing with fringe loonies?

Hmm kinda hard to argue with things like that..

You wouldn't be suggesting we have our own group of fiery zealots would you?

I would not suggest such a thing at all Bobby. I am saying it outright.
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Message 1314681 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 16:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1314549.
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You wouldn't be suggesting we have our own group of fiery zealots would you?


Yep. GOREbal Warming Zealots/Loonies. Solar/Wind Turbine Alt. Energy Zealots-Loonies. Hustlin' Hussein Making Better World Zealots/Loonies. Fossil Fuel Hatin' Zealots/Loonies. Union Thug Loving Zealots/Loonies. On and On. Yep.

DEMON...Zealots/Loonies On FIRE. aka as HOT.



I'd have to call them zealots Demon. Ya, you're 100% correct. Im my state a man stood up in our Statehouse in Springfield [an elected man] and yelled "THERE WILL BE BLOOD!"

Made me think of another letter from Jefferson, to a different family member...

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."

- Thomas Jefferson, 1785

I.D. WHITE HOT and melting on the edges!

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Message 1314688 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 16:56:05 UTC - in response to Message 1314681.

I.D. WHITE HOT and melting on the edges!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl5gBJGnaXs
Yep, white hot, and frying on the edges.

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Message 1314723 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 17:41:32 UTC

I would not suggest such a thing at all Bobby. I am saying it outright.

That's my Janice :-) Sorry folks, have to agree.

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Message 1314741 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 18:06:59 UTC

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Message 1314747 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 18:14:24 UTC - in response to Message 1313750.

which part?

/me still wondering which part of those hundreds of pages I was supposed to get any idea on what the actual subject is supposed to be...
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Message 1314759 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 18:28:08 UTC - in response to Message 1314741.
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Message 1314787 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 19:00:11 UTC

"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."


-Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782)

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Message 1314819 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 19:41:50 UTC - in response to Message 1314787.

"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."


-Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782)

A case for agnosticism/atheism? Surely not :)
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Message 1314840 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 20:29:06 UTC

I.D. Please can you state where you are coming from?
In your earlier arguments you made lots of quotes from the federalist papers and especially James Madison, who today would be a Democrat.

But now you are quoting lots of Thomas Jefferson (Republican) who was an anti-federalist.

I am confused, unless all you think, is that anything before 1900 is good and everything after is bad.

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Message 1314895 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 22:50:48 UTC

It's called grasping at straws. He's pulling up old political figures that have nothing to do with modern genetic theory or Evolution and transplanting their words into some chimera of a plan perhaps intelligent but most certainly meandering
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