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Message 1304785 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 5:29:46 UTC - in response to Message 1303275.

It has been my experience, at least in the SF Bay area, that crazy-busy people lean left.

Or at least independent!
Sure have to wonder about a few that have time to post so much, eh?

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Message 1304787 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 5:39:37 UTC - in response to Message 1304664.

And before you give me any ####, just remember that about 48% of the US voters agree with ME, you damned, ignorant, snotty liberals.

I may be "damned" and I may be "snotty", but I personally take issue with the charge of "ignorant".

+1.
And he and so many have so much figuring out who the true liberals are.

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Message 1304788 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 5:40:42 UTC - in response to Message 1304673.

Angela for Alameda County Board of Supervisors!

The nuclear wessels? In Alameda?

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Message 1304789 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 5:54:49 UTC - in response to Message 1302883.

Why do you think we burnt the White House down? You wouldn't listen then so what makes us think you'll listen now? :)


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I don't really know the game yet
I'm bent on submission
Religion is to blame
I'm the new messiah
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Speak to me the pain you feel
Speak the word
The word is all of us

I've given my life to become what I am
to preach the new beginning
To make you understand
To reach some point of order
Utopia in mind, you've got to learn
To sacrifice, to leave what's now behind

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Seven years of power
the corporation claw
The rich control the government, the media the law
To make some kind of difference
Then everyone must know
Eradicate the fascists, revolution will grow
The system we learn says we're equal under law
But the streets are reality, the weak and poor will fall
Let's tip the power balance and tear down the crown
Educate the masses, we'll burn the White House down
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Message 1304792 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 6:27:43 UTC

Back to the subject of the thread (not gonna touch the racist stuff).

Sorry I am a few days late posting this, but I've been busy. I also voted. I voted early on the second or third day of early voting. I had to drop off some library books I read to my kids, and the early voting location was in that building, so why not.

The more I think about the results of the Federal races, the more I can see only one mandate possible. The collective Will of the People voted to preserve a Republican majority in the House, a Democrat majority in the Senate, and to retain the current occupant of the White House (a Democrat).

The mandate was for the Status Quo. You know, partisan paralysis and gridlock. If the People wanted something done, they would have voted differently. If the People had favored the Republican's agenda, they would have given the Republicans the Senate and the White House. If the People had favored the Democrat's agenda they would have given the Democrats the House.

Why would the People want more partisan infighting and gridlock? I have no hard evidence, but I do have a couple of theories on the subject.

1. The People are depressed, and need more of the high comedy and political theater that has been coming out of Washington these last few years. In an era where many of the People get their news from Comedy Central, this makes as much sense as anything else.

2. The People do not approve of either the Democrat or the Republican agenda, and wish to keep Washington pretty much shut down until the People do figure out just exactly what that they do approve of. Sort of a 'keep the two beasts fighting each other until we can figure out how to get rid of them both' sort of thing.

3. The Democrats and the Republicans have each bought and paid for a portion of the electorate, and this is the way things shook out this time. <- this one is probably most likely, in my opinion.

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Now, in the few days since the election I have heard calls from both Republicans and Democrats to move towards the center and get things done. Why? This would be a direct perversion of the Will of the People.
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Message 1304801 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 7:38:08 UTC

MajorKong said:

3. The Democrats and the Republicans have each bought and paid for a portion of the electorate, and this is the way things shook out this time. <- this one is probably most likely, in my opinion.


The DEMON says:

50 percent of The Democrats paid with their Own Money and 50 percent of Democrats paid with monies provided by someone else.

80 percent of Republicans paid with their Own Money and 20 percent paid with monies provided by someone else.

DEMON...RED Hot and White Hot
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Message 1304826 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 9:33:06 UTC

2. The People do not approve of either the Democrat or the Republican agenda, and wish to keep Washington pretty much shut down until the People do figure out just exactly what that they do approve of. Sort of a 'keep the two beasts fighting each other until we can figure out how to get rid of them both' sort of thing.


I dont know about anyone else, Buts that how I damn well feel. All washington cares about is THEM. They dont gve a flying hoot about US.

Even though Im a rebuplican, I sure wish a man like Harry Truman would stand up and run. Im sick of the mealy mouthed sound bite play to the crowd idiots we have now.

Maybe then the buck would not get shoved up our posteriers.
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Message 1304859 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 11:16:14 UTC

Your comments about Governors appear to be based on a misunderstanding of how the States of the Union operate. An approximation might be your Mayor of London.

I do admit that I don't fully understand the USA system of elections with Primaries and the Electoral College. Our Mayor of London is a fairly recent experiment. We have always had a Lord Mayor which is mainly a ceremonial position, but not a working Mayor as such. What worries a lot of us is that through MOPAC, the Mayor will be directly accountable for police performance in the capital, setting the Met Police’s strategic direction and allocating resources. Operational policing will however remain the responsibility of the Metropolitan Police Commissioner.

I don't think it right that politics should come into policing. However it was seen that having a Mayor worked in New York, so we are trying it here. We will see.

Similarly your statements about a "hung parliament" also appear to be based on a misunderstanding of how the US Congress operates, where it is possible for a 3rd party to have the balance of power and form a coalition.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Has it ever happened?

After the 2010 UK election, no party won the 326 seats necessary from the 650 seats available, to form a majority government.

Tory 306 seats, 36%
Labour 259 seats, 29%
Lib Dem 57 seats, 23%



But look at the map above for land mass, 2/3 of the country voted Tory yet only achieved 1/3 of the popular vote. Much like your land mass results where 2/3 of the USA voted Romney but Obama won. We are having Boundary changed proposed and there are thoughts of increasing the college numbers for middle America. I don't think that either of our electoral systems truly reflect the wishes of the people. Then again we only get 60% turnouts, what do you get?

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Message 1304893 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 13:08:57 UTC
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Message 1304909 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 14:00:06 UTC - in response to Message 1304761.

Guy, yes ya found my bad.
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Message 1304919 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 14:27:02 UTC - in response to Message 1304859.

Your comments about Governors appear to be based on a misunderstanding of how the States of the Union operate. An approximation might be your Mayor of London.

I do admit that I don't fully understand the USA system of elections with Primaries and the Electoral College. Our Mayor of London is a fairly recent experiment. We have always had a Lord Mayor which is mainly a ceremonial position, but not a working Mayor as such. What worries a lot of us is that through MOPAC, the Mayor will be directly accountable for police performance in the capital, setting the Met Police’s strategic direction and allocating resources. Operational policing will however remain the responsibility of the Metropolitan Police Commissioner.

I don't think it right that politics should come into policing. However it was seen that having a Mayor worked in New York, so we are trying it here. We will see.

Similarly your statements about a "hung parliament" also appear to be based on a misunderstanding of how the US Congress operates, where it is possible for a 3rd party to have the balance of power and form a coalition.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Has it ever happened?

After the 2010 UK election, no party won the 326 seats necessary from the 650 seats available, to form a majority government.

Tory 306 seats, 36%
Labour 259 seats, 29%
Lib Dem 57 seats, 23%



But look at the map above for land mass, 2/3 of the country voted Tory yet only achieved 1/3 of the popular vote. Much like your land mass results where 2/3 of the USA voted Romney but Obama won. We are having Boundary changed proposed and there are thoughts of increasing the college numbers for middle America. I don't think that either of our electoral systems truly reflect the wishes of the people. Then again we only get 60% turnouts, what do you get?


we get about the same if not a bit lower

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/election-results-2012-voter-turnout-lower-than-2008-and-2004-report-says
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Message 1304923 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 14:43:23 UTC
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That is actually very interesting Skil.

USA
2012 57.5%
2008 62.3%
2004 60.4%
2000 54.2%

UK
2010 65.1%
2005 61.4%
2001 59.4%
1997 71.4%
1992 77.7%
1987 75.3%
1983 72.7%

Seems the world is now turned off by politics. Perhaps if politicians behaved in a more moral and decent fashion, the public might get engaged again.

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Message 1304937 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 15:12:41 UTC
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Message 1304946 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 15:27:52 UTC
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Message 1305040 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 19:43:50 UTC

Hello Friends,

I am reposting something that was justifiably hidden by a moderator, not because my post was not "kid friendly", but rather because I made the mistake of quoting another poster who used a hate term. I took some time crafting my response and wanted it to stand. I realize by reposting this it is out of order. Please mentally re-insert this post into yesterday's exchanges.

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Mark, my friend, you often ask others to understand you in light of the hellish things that life and fate have tossed your way. I do... well at least most of the time I try to. And so now I ask a favor of you.

Try to imagine life as a person who completely and totally feels he (or she) is in the wrong sex body. Imagine the social stigma that might occur from making those feelings public. Imagine how members of the public, and even family and friends who love you dearly might judge and misjudge you. Imagine the years of therapy people would push you to have. Imagine going through decades and decades of social pressure, coupled with decades and decades of still feeling like you are in the wrong body. On top of this, imagine facing years of hormone injections and a surgery that most would not consider to be... uh... "recreational".

Mark, how can you possibly think that a transgender person takes decisions like having a sex change operation lightly or that life as a transgender person is even remotely easy in our culture?

Now then, if you can possibly see this issue from a different vantage point, does it surprise you that this medical procedure might be covered by an insurance plan somewhere? It is not like people are going to be lining up around the block for this surgery. It is a surgery that may be medically warranted for some people some of the time. Such is the stuff ALL insurance plans are made of!!!

I beg you, Mark, to strive to exercise the same compassion for others that you so frequently beg us to exercise for you.

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Message 1305042 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 19:45:47 UTC - in response to Message 1305040.

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Message 1305095 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:37:24 UTC

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Angs post is OK in my book.

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Message 1305102 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:44:34 UTC
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Message 1305118 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 22:31:42 UTC

I'm probably going to get roasted for this.....

Comapssion is all good & proper, however, gender changes should not be paid for by the taxpayer.

You wanna be a girl/man, cough up the cash!
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