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Ex Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 2883 Credit: 1,184,295 RAC: 985	Message 1302095 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 14:47:03 UTC
	That looks like a Republican Majority for 3/4ths of Bush's term. You were trying to prove a point that democrats were responsible for the economies downturn during BushII? 'Cause I'm not seeing it...? ____________ -Dave #2 3.2.0-33
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1227 Credit: 3,500,213 RAC: 922	Message 1302097 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 14:53:05 UTC - in response to Message 1302095.
	That looks like a Republican Majority for 3/4ths of Bush's term. You were trying to prove a point that democrats were responsible for the economies downturn during BushII? 'Cause I'm not seeing it...? Did I imply the SIMPLE MAJORITY of republicans for 1/2 of Bush 43's term were responsible? You do realize with a simple majority, the minority party in the senate can stop anything, right?
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10554 Credit: 5,256,792 RAC: 6,046	Message 1302129 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 15:57:42 UTC - in response to Message 1302075.
	@Gary's; shouldn't it be based on population, rather than physical size of the state? I mean really... Come on. You'd be giving greater power to states with much smaller populations. Which is an existing issue, with the senate IMHO. Then again some of us prefer thinking of the US as one country, and others want it to be 50 countries. It is 50 countries. Each state is a sovereign. And we would end up with the same mess the EU has. Now how about that third house with repeal power being based on property value owned by people not corporations? And only property owners can vote for them. All that huge block of disenfranchised Manhattan high rises ... ____________
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 23353 Credit: 4,628,783 RAC: 3,773	Message 1302132 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 16:10:49 UTC
	It is 50 countries. Each state is a sovereign. And we would end up with the same mess the EU has. Good point.
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10554 Credit: 5,256,792 RAC: 6,046	Message 1302190 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 18:01:16 UTC - in response to Message 1302132.
	It is 50 countries. Each state is a sovereign. And we would end up with the same mess the EU has. Good point. Might be a clue to the EU about how to get rid of their mess, if they so choose. ____________
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Es99 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 7339 Credit: 215,010 RAC: 100	Message 1302226 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 19:05:40 UTC - in response to Message 1302129.
	@Gary's; shouldn't it be based on population, rather than physical size of the state? I mean really... Come on. You'd be giving greater power to states with much smaller populations. Which is an existing issue, with the senate IMHO. Then again some of us prefer thinking of the US as one country, and others want it to be 50 countries. It is 50 countries. Each state is a sovereign. And we would end up with the same mess the EU has. Now how about that third house with repeal power being based on property value owned by people not corporations? And only property owners can vote for them. All that huge block of disenfranchised Manhattan high rises ... Why don't you just make it only white male property owners and take yourselves all the way back to the 1790s? ____________ In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 8970 Credit: 37,774,632 RAC: 42,792	Message 1302580 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 19:46:54 UTC - in response to Message 1302226.
	that was Ben Franklins Idea. ____________ Proud member of TSWB. End terrorism by building a school
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10554 Credit: 5,256,792 RAC: 6,046	Message 1302639 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 22:30:36 UTC - in response to Message 1302226.
	@Gary's; shouldn't it be based on population, rather than physical size of the state? I mean really... Come on. You'd be giving greater power to states with much smaller populations. Which is an existing issue, with the senate IMHO. Then again some of us prefer thinking of the US as one country, and others want it to be 50 countries. It is 50 countries. Each state is a sovereign. And we would end up with the same mess the EU has. Now how about that third house with repeal power being based on property value owned by people not corporations? And only property owners can vote for them. All that huge block of disenfranchised Manhattan high rises ... Why don't you just make it only white male property owners and take yourselves all the way back to the 1790s? You get one vote for every $1000.00 or part thereof you pay in tax, less any entitlement payments. Income tax, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax ... less earned income credit, TANF ... Franklin was a brilliant man ... :) ____________
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1163 Credit: 2,068,803 RAC: 2,259	Message 1302662 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 23:31:33 UTC - in response to Message 1302639.
	Gary, in the past a poll tax was effective in the disenfranchisement of large sectors of the populace, your proposal would work. ____________
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2480 Credit: 7,675,040 RAC: 7,731	Message 1302691 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 0:41:28 UTC - in response to Message 1302639.
	Excellent -- an oligarchy. But to make that really work, since corporations are people too, they also would get votes based on this. You get one vote for every $1000.00 or part thereof you pay in tax, less any entitlement payments. Income tax, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax ... less earned income credit, TANF ... Franklin was a brilliant man ... :)
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8871 Credit: 1,253,496 RAC: 1,190	Message 1302714 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 2:25:39 UTC - in response to Message 1302691.
	Excellent -- an oligarchy. But to make that really work, since corporations are people too, they also would get votes based on this. You get one vote for every $1000.00 or part thereof you pay in tax, less any entitlement payments. Income tax, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax ... less earned income credit, TANF ... Franklin was a brilliant man ... :) Plutocracy?
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soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6231 Credit: 27,539,044 RAC: 1,243	Message 1302737 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 4:59:49 UTC Last modified: 6 Nov 2012, 5:00:33 UTC
	I see anyone that thinks their vote should be more valuable than anyone elses as a trading opportunity. Buy them for what they are worth, sell them for what they think they are worth. Edit: I could make a lot of money on Romney. ____________ Janice
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 23353 Credit: 4,628,783 RAC: 3,773	Message 1302787 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 10:27:39 UTC
	The point is that whoever wins today, is only going to have the confidence of 50% of the American nation. is that a true mandate to govern?
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WinterKnight Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6985 Credit: 17,540,399 RAC: 15,394	Message 1302806 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 11:19:50 UTC - in response to Message 1302787. Last modified: 6 Nov 2012, 11:21:51 UTC
	The point is that whoever wins today, is only going to have the confidence of 50% of the American nation. is that a true mandate to govern? Probably not even 50%, because voter turnout in the USA tends to be low (<60% of eligible voters) by international standards. Also in most states people have to register first, a process that is not always easy. Have a look for republican or GOP suppression laws. Also if you are a republican is it worth voting in the large costal cities, of if you are a democrat is it worth voting in the bible belt.
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 23353 Credit: 4,628,783 RAC: 3,773	Message 1302810 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 11:24:56 UTC
	Soooooo, in which case, how much mandate does a USA President have to run the country, and presumably declare war on the rest of the world, in the name of the American people?
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WinterKnight Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6985 Credit: 17,540,399 RAC: 15,394	Message 1302813 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 11:47:41 UTC - in response to Message 1302810.
	Soooooo, in which case, how much mandate does a USA President have to run the country, and presumably declare war on the rest of the world, in the name of the American people? Good question, but you also didn't see that because of the Electoral College system that you don't have to win the most votes (they call it the popular vote). i.e. G.W. Even with all this rushing about by the two candidates, 23 states have only had a total of 5 visits between them, from both candidates. Because those states are cast-in-stone foregone conclusions.
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 23353 Credit: 4,628,783 RAC: 3,773	Message 1302823 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 13:06:54 UTC
	We have a system in the UK called "first past the post". This means that if in an election the votes for a local MP could be cast as follows. Candidate A 38% Candidate B 37% Candidate C 12% Candidate D 13% Candidate A wins with the most votes, but if there is a 50% turnout, they only really represent 19% of the area they are supposed to support. If there is a similar system in the USA, then the Western world is being run by people that the majority of the general public didn't vote for. No wonder the world is in trouble. At least we in the UK and others in Europe have a system where coalitions can take power in marginal cases.
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10554 Credit: 5,256,792 RAC: 6,046	Message 1302846 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 14:55:30 UTC - in response to Message 1302806.
	Also in most states people have to register first, a process that is not always easy. Have a look for republican or GOP suppression laws. Hard for some to understand but Americans aren't issued papers which they must carry with them at all times. So it becomes necessary to try and figure out who is who before you hand them a ballot they might not be entitled to. Except in Chicago where the motto is vote early and vote often. ____________
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 23353 Credit: 4,628,783 RAC: 3,773	Message 1302858 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 15:38:41 UTC
	In the UK, everyone is listed on the Electoral Register which is held at local Town Halls, and which is a mandatory requirement. Those on the register get sent an official polling card which they present at the polling station to receive their voting paper.
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John Clark Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 15957 Credit: 4,356,364 RAC: 5	Message 1302859 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 15:42:14 UTC Last modified: 6 Nov 2012, 15:43:27 UTC
	I thought you driver license, with photo ID, is such a document, and you are required to carry them when out driving ... Chris is correct, but the election card is not mandatory when voting, at least not here ... ____________ It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues
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