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Message 1280470 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 1:43:37 UTC - in response to Message 1280466.

Orgil you may be correct, but the big multinational corporations will do nothing but prosper in the short term. It is the populous that will be bled.
IMO you are putting too much emphasis on the politics and not enough on the economics which are driving the politics.
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Message 1280471 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 1:51:20 UTC
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But in the east it is politics over rule economy as long as russia china concerned.

Thanks to chinese political shift some billionares in the west managed to pocket few billion dollars through cheap labor thing but in turn they lost their macro balances so they slipped into recession or depression whatever thing.

Maybe that housing bust was added spice.
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Message 1280472 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 1:53:08 UTC - in response to Message 1280471.

Orgil you confim my point.
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Message 1280477 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 2:58:51 UTC

What is being overlooked is that all the cash the "1%" have is sitting in share portfolios, hedge funds and off shore bank accounts. It is not being used to "create jobs".

If they got off their backsides and invested in actually producing something rather than speculation then the "dribble down" theory might have some validity.

The more money that is tied up in the hands of a few, the less there is available for the rest to spend on anything but the essentials of food and shelter. This effects a wide range of manufacturers of non-essential goods and retailers who then either have to cut staff/close down. Thus the downward spiral continues

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Message 1280479 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 3:01:57 UTC

NO 99% with out the 1%.....yeah no peasants without the King's and Queen's....I think your twisted position is well understood.

I seemed to have missed the bread lines.
I own all I pay for.
You need to go read a book..starting with the definitions of(socialisum) the things you accuse others of being.

Oh and nice calling anyone that disagrees with you a "Communist/Socialist/DEMLib".

I am not so much a democrate as I am anti republican...as I have only meet a few hardcore liberals in my entire 35 years on this planet but have meet fare to many right wing crazys like you.
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Message 1280482 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 3:30:48 UTC - in response to Message 1280432.

Dear SETI, I have found The Aliens and they are here on this forum. You Gots to be from Another World to Believe in Take Take Take.

99% of the people you are talking to are giving.
Guess when you hitched across the good ol US in the 70s, you didn't walk a mile in anybody's shoes but your own.
Guess you missed out on the jog with Forrest, eh?

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Message 1280494 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 5:14:12 UTC

This thread is about the forth coming election in a small, insignificant country somewhere on the wrong side of the Atlantic., NOT the how/who/where various people from other insignificant countries have hidden their money.
Get back on topic or the topic will be heading into the invisibility of the freezer.
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Message 1280499 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 6:19:41 UTC - in response to Message 1280494.
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This thread is about the forth coming election in a small, insignificant country somewhere on the wrong side of the Atlantic., NOT the how/who/where various people from other insignificant countries have hidden their money.
Get back on topic or the topic will be heading into the invisibility of the freezer.


In the beginning, this that and the other thing was created, and this made a lot of people angry, because they didn't want this, or that, or the other thing, or some combination of all three, or wanted someone else entirely.
Some happening really zarkingfarkworthy dude (or dudette) came up with a solution to make everyone happy, which involved little green slips of paper and moving them around, but in general the little green slips of paper were feeling just fine, while the people moving them around found little joy in the transactions.
Briefly, the powers-that-be decided to demote Pluto to a dwarf planet as a way to wag the dog and divert people's attention. (Surprisingly, this trivial thing has met with large success!)
Meanwhile, back on Earth, people are scratching their heads over the above comment (and threat) for discussing one of the campaign issues IN THE SAME COUNTRY in question (whether it should be a campaign issue or not, IT IS one), with the poster acting as if people have dragged things off topic (as if they're talking about people from some other country) when in fact they have NOT.
Seriously: just which country, which election and which person do you think they're talking about?!?
Mark asked, what shall we do about Obama. When people respond with comments about someone's money (a US citizen's money) hidden in accounts in other countries, we know who they are talking about, and we know they have strong doubts about the main alternative against Obama that is being provided.
That sure as heck IS on topic.
Now, if you believe the attacks against Romney are unfair, not being presented in full context,whatever, you can discuss that. Explain to Mark and others why you think Romney is an acceptable choice ... IF you believe that. Because, again, Mark asked what do about Obama.

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Message 1280505 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 7:02:31 UTC - in response to Message 1280477.

What is being overlooked is that all the cash the "1%" have is sitting in share portfolios, hedge funds and off shore bank accounts. It is not being used to "create jobs".

If they got off their backsides and invested in actually producing something rather than speculation then the "dribble down" theory might have some validity.

The more money that is tied up in the hands of a few, the less there is available for the rest to spend on anything but the essentials of food and shelter. This effects a wide range of manufacturers of non-essential goods and retailers who then either have to cut staff/close down. Thus the downward spiral continues

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Message 1280519 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 9:11:58 UTC - in response to Message 1280505.

The "money" is not sitting in an account. It went to purchase a stock, bond or commodity future. The issuer of these instruments receive capital which it invests in plant, people and equipment. If cash sits in a bank --it isn't really there; it has been lent to someone to buy a house --an action that also creates capital.

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Message 1280528 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 9:51:34 UTC

North America's best years were when the working class had stability and a voice in the country's direction. Now, it's money that does the talking.

Agreed, but that could equally well be applied to any Western world country these days. So the question remains, what do we do about it?

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Message 1280538 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 10:51:36 UTC

I am not so much a democrate as I am anti republican...as I have only meet a few hardcore liberals in my entire 35 years on this planet but have meet fare to many right wing crazys like you.


Broheim, I do Feel The Love.

OBlahBlahBlah and His Zombies living on The Economic Plantation, with its Enabler Overloads living outside, will vote Wholeheartily for him. Notice at The DNC, only these people are the Audience of Their Speeches. Not the whole of America. Pitiful.

At The RNC, The Whole of America were being Spoke to. To let Everyone know they can be Free to Work and have Their American Dream. Through REAL Leadership and Fiscal Responsibility/Fiscal Stewardship. A way to Leave The Communist/Socialist/DEMLib Economic Plantation.

You need to go read a book.


My Kindergarten, 1st and 2nd Grade teachers in Germany did a Great Job teaching me to read. And with A Library in my home of 4000 books, I do them proud.

So, I will continue to believe the 99% can be released from Their Incarceration from The Economic Plantation(perpetuated by The Enabler Overloads-OBlabby Incorporated and their Entitlement Subsidiaries).

R & R for America.

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Message 1280620 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 15:59:15 UTC - in response to Message 1280519.

The "money" is not sitting in an account. It went to purchase a stock, bond or commodity future. The issuer of these instruments receive capital which it invests in plant, people and equipment. If cash sits in a bank --it isn't really there; it has been lent to someone to buy a house --an action that also creates capital.


Where are these new plants?
Where's the equipment?
Where are the houses?
Where are the new home owners?
WHERE ARE THE JOBS?!?

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Message 1280621 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 16:00:39 UTC - in response to Message 1280538.

R & R for America.

Rest & Relaxation? Great economic recovery plan there, brouddy.

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Message 1280632 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 16:54:23 UTC - in response to Message 1280519.

The "money" is not sitting in an account. It went to purchase a stock, bond or commodity future. The issuer of these instruments receive capital which it invests in plant, people and equipment. If cash sits in a bank --it isn't really there; it has been lent to someone to buy a house --an action that also creates capital.

WM, capital is defined as a tool used to make something. The word is often misused by lay people. A house is the product of the three factors of production, land, labor and capital. That is the only correct answer in all economics classes. To belabor the point, a house is consumption.
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Message 1280660 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 17:44:29 UTC

Right on, Betreger.
So, folks, let's consume those houses that were built 2002-2006, with very few people filling them.
Consume, consume, consume! Make Dull, GWB and Mitt happy! :)

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Message 1280669 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 18:00:39 UTC - in response to Message 1280519.

The "money" is not sitting in an account. It went to purchase a stock, bond or commodity future. The issuer of these instruments receive capital which it invests in plant, people and equipment. If cash sits in a bank --it isn't really there; it has been lent to someone to buy a house --an action that also creates capital.

Wm, further thought on you post concerning the use of the word investment. An investment is only the purchase of new capital. Building a new factory is a capital investment, purchasing an existing factory is not. The capital investment was made at the time of construction.
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Message 1280680 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 18:07:10 UTC

Where are these new plants?
Where's the equipment?
Where are the houses?
Where are the new home owners?
WHERE ARE THE JOBS?!?


As Long As The OBlabby Gravy Train is still running, they wait for The Moola to be Handed Out.

Once Election Night sees OBlabby Inc. defeated, they will stop being Dogs Looking For Hand-Outs and become Wolves On The Prowl.

And they will start "Building That" will this Large Cache Of Dough everyone says they have.

Once R & R is Leading The Way, ALL WILL KNOW it is Time To Build It with Your Own Minds, Hands, and Money, 'cause The Gravy Train Is Derailed. Daddy Government will Part The Sea and The Chariots Of Industry will be Kicking Up The Dust to The New America. YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Capiche? Good.

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Message 1280697 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 19:12:18 UTC
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Message 1280698 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 19:28:15 UTC - in response to Message 1280697.

Guy the Great, check your meds please -- doses need to be doubled or halved, current medication level simply is not doing well for you.

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