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Message 1285209 - Posted: 18 Sep 2012, 20:56:12 UTC

Prime Minister David Cameron said of the deaths today: ‘What we have seen is the absolutely despicable act of pure evil.

‘The cold blooded murder of two female police officers doing their job out there protecting the public - another reminder of the incredible risks and great work our police service does.

‘My thoughts and I think the thoughts of the whole country will be with their families at this impossibly difficult time.’

Asked if the killings would reopen the debate on arming police, he replied: ‘Well it certainly reminds us, it's a shocking reminder of what the police do on our behalf.

‘There are more armed police officers, there are more armed response units. But this was supposed to be the response to a domestic burglary and that wouldn't normally require armed officers"

You despicable muppet! Get off your high horse, leave that ivory tower you keep yourself cocooned in & make changes!

1: Stop cutting police numbers.
2: get rid of politicial correctness - they are a Police Force not a service! They are not there to service us, they are there to uphold the law.

2 Greater Manchester Police officers murdered

R.I.P ladies - Thank you for your service to the community
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Message 1285249 - Posted: 18 Sep 2012, 21:59:03 UTC - in response to Message 1285209.

Prime Minister David Cameron said of the deaths today: ‘What we have seen is the absolutely despicable act of pure evil.

‘The cold blooded murder of two female police officers doing their job out there protecting the public - another reminder of the incredible risks and great work our police service does.

‘My thoughts and I think the thoughts of the whole country will be with their families at this impossibly difficult time.’

Asked if the killings would reopen the debate on arming police, he replied: ‘Well it certainly reminds us, it's a shocking reminder of what the police do on our behalf.

‘There are more armed police officers, there are more armed response units. But this was supposed to be the response to a domestic burglary and that wouldn't normally require armed officers"

You despicable muppet! Get off your high horse, leave that ivory tower you keep yourself cocooned in & make changes!

1: Stop cutting police numbers.
2: get rid of politicial correctness - they are a Police Force not a service! They are not there to service us, they are there to uphold the law.

2 Greater Manchester Police officers murdered

R.I.P ladies - Thank you for your service to the community


You do stoop to the lowest sometimes. Lets blame David Cameron for the death of two police officers. Pathetic.



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Message 1285250 - Posted: 18 Sep 2012, 22:04:40 UTC - in response to Message 1285249.
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You do stoop to the lowest sometimes. Lets blame David Cameron for the death of two police officers. Pathetic.


that's rather pathetic of you when you can clearly see politicians pumping out soundbites without ever giving the electorate the services they deserve. Armed Forces/Medical Services/Emergency Services all have cuts in finances & manpower, yet they are expected to continue as if nothing has happened.

You natives of this one proud nation are despicable, especially when you make/post comments such as that.

No wonder many of you have emigrated - Says a lot about your pride in your own country!

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1: Stop cutting police numbers.
2: get rid of politicial correctness - they are a Police Force not a service! They are not there to service us, they are there to uphold the law.

R.I.P ladies - Thank you for your service to the community


Yet no comment or offer of condolences on this? Shame on you!
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Message 1285400 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 7:56:43 UTC
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I think we can all agree that we would like to see police numbers maintained, and if possible increased. We used to have a Fire Brigade, but it is now called the Fire & Rescue Service to more accurately reflect the role that they provide to the public, in rescuing them from life threatening situations. We have the Armed Forces as they are armed in the normal course of their job to fight conflicts.

Most countries have a Police Force as they are also routinely armed. This is not so in the UK, although we have specialist firearm officers who patrol 24/7. Traditionally they are called a Police Force from the early days of the Bow Street Runners, force meaning an organised and disciplined group tasked with upholding law and order in the community. But they also provide a service as much as anything by advising on security, road safety, attending RTA's etc.

I have just looked at the Surrey, London Met, and Greater Manchester police web sites, and none of them call themselves either a force or a service. I also send my deepest condolences to GMP and the bereaved families on this sad occasion.

I do think that your comments are extremely unfortunate sometimes, particularly on occasions like this, with two innocent female police officers losing their lives in the course of their duty. This is quite clearly not the time to attempt to use the situation to try to score cheap political points against the British or politicians.

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Message 1285413 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 9:04:15 UTC - in response to Message 1285250.
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You do stoop to the lowest sometimes. Lets blame David Cameron for the death of two police officers. Pathetic.


that's rather pathetic of you when you can clearly see politicians pumping out soundbites without ever giving the electorate the services they deserve. Armed Forces/Medical Services/Emergency Services all have cuts in finances & manpower, yet they are expected to continue as if nothing has happened.

You natives of this one proud nation are despicable, especially when you make/post comments such as that.

No wonder many of you have emigrated - Says a lot about your pride in your own country!

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1: Stop cutting police numbers.
2: get rid of politicial correctness - they are a Police Force not a service! They are not there to service us, they are there to uphold the law.

R.I.P ladies - Thank you for your service to the community


Yet no comment or offer of condolences on this? Shame on you!


My feelings about death are my own. I however feel that murder is the most despicable crime that one human can do to another. Personally I never have given my condolences to people I do not know. It has NEVER helped me feel any better when I have lost a loved one. I was devastated when I read the headlines yesterday and was unable to come to terms with the senseless loss of life. What I was criticising you for was making a political point over the deaths of two police officers. Say what you like about who you like, that's the freedom you have. Please just you have some respect. There was no need to have a go David Cameron in the same post as "paying your respects".

Also you don't know me, you do not know how I live and what I feel. You make a good point about "natives" perhaps we don't always show our pride at being English. Perhaps as a "foreigner" you would mind not running down your "adopted" country so much, leave that to the "natives".
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Message 1285466 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 12:40:45 UTC - in response to Message 1285413.

I'll be quite frank & honest at the same time. After the last 2 posts, I realised how my post could have & indeed seen as.

However, I do not, at any time, post on this board to score political points. Cameron is the man at the top, so the ultimate responsibity is with him, regardless of the actions of his underlings - Bob Diamond, Sir Fred Goodwin & others springs to mind.

As already stated, finances & manpower are being cut in essential services yet fatcat bonues & pay are not. Yet what do we see?

Del-boy & his cronies in photoshoots with criminal suspects, budget turnarounds & other laughable antics.

It's time we got tough laws, judges, magistrates with the police manpower to back them up.

What happened was despicable & no one can be sure it wouldn't have happened had we had the law & order we had in the past, but the laws & the police presence we had ensured that incidents such as we have seen over the past several years would be few & far between. Also, the police had the respect of the public.

As far as I'm concerned the main 2 issues here are the Human Rights Act & Bleeding Heart Civil Rights muppets.

If one breaks the rules/laws of one's society, you put yourself outside that society so those rights have been forfeited & one has to suffer the consequences. It's time we returned prisons to what they are meant for, not 3 star hotels.
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Message 1285471 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 12:54:47 UTC

If one breaks the rules/laws of one's society, you put yourself outside that society so those rights have been forfeited & one has to suffer the consequences. It's time we returned prisons to what they are meant for, not 3 star hotels.

For once I broadly agree with that statement. I would like to see attempts made to rehabilitate first offenders to try and get them back into society. However, whoever shot the two police women yesterday displayed tendencies best kept out of society forever. There are time when life should mean life. This is one of them.
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Message 1285475 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 13:03:59 UTC - in response to Message 1285471.

If one breaks the rules/laws of one's society, you put yourself outside that society so those rights have been forfeited & one has to suffer the consequences. It's time we returned prisons to what they are meant for, not 3 star hotels.

For once I broadly agree with that statement. I would like to see attempts made to rehabilitate first offenders to try and get them back into society. However, whoever shot the two police women yesterday displayed tendencies best kept out of society forever. There are time when life should mean life. This is one of them.


Agree 100%.

The way I see things at the moment, the UK has a fantastic opportunity to show the world how a nation can regain it's respect & strength. With the world currently sitting on a precarious clifftop, it'll only take one nation to say sod the world, we getting our own house in order economically & politicially, with tough laws & self/communal respect.

If that can be achieved then aid to others will available. With the UK being an island & outside the main sphere of Europe, she is uniquely in a position to achieve this - the point is though: -

Having the right people in the right place at the right time....

...unfortunately, we do not & the opportunity of a lifetime will soon pass us by!
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Message 1286591 - Posted: 22 Sep 2012, 9:49:59 UTC

"Small Fry" continues finding waste attagirl Justine

Cleggie threatens OY Nancy-boy, blackmail is a criminal offence

Elderly care in the trash bin Logan's run on the way?

Labour split Hmmmnnnn, worried the same will happen to them in the next election?

Planning revolt NIMBY's at work again

UK a tax haven? A new Monte Carlo - get your chips here....0% tax

I'll have your job for this I'm labelled "pathetic" while one of our glorious leaders..... How charming

UKIP demands "blood" committment nice one Nigel

Ozzie set to break his own rules run out of ideas then Ozzie?

Plan "V" sssshhhh, don't tell anyone I've been working......

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Hmmmnnn....quite a "Horribus Weekus" for politicians
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Message 1286731 - Posted: 22 Sep 2012, 17:44:19 UTC
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Government Chief Whips have to be rather nasty pieces of work to be able to do their job effectively, and as such are tolerated but universally despised.

Mr Mitchell launched a verbal assault on one police constable and stepped up his tirade when a second asked him to calm down. The second policeman, who has also filed a report, responded by threatening him with arrest.

The police report into Wednesday night’s incident – already being called ‘Gategate’ – details how Mr Mitchell said: ‘I’m the chief whip. I’m telling you open this gate. I’m the chief whip and I’m coming through these gates. Best you learn your ****ing place. You don’t run this ****ing government. You’re ****ing plebs.’ John Tully, of the Metropolitan Police Federation, confirmed last night that the quotes are a ‘correct’ account of the statement filed by the constable with his bosses in the SO6 diplomatic protection unit. He called for CCTV footage of the incident to be studied.

‘Mr Mitchell should resign and if not the Prime Minister should remove him,’ he insisted. ‘Someone who holds such high office and holds the police in such contempt is not deserving of such high office. It constitutes an offence under the Public Order Act, section 5. He’s very lucky not to have been arrested.’

His allies maintained that the police account of the incident is wrong, and the words ‘pleb’ and ‘moron’ were not used. ‘He 100 per cent, categorically denies that he ever said anything like that. It would be a complete lie to say anything of the sort,’ said a friend of the chief whip.

But one official added: ‘If Andrew was proved to be lying that would be a serious matter. It would be a game changer.’


However he is a senior government figure, and not likely to want to go quietly, and if he did, could make a bad enemy in the future. It would be easier to sack him for lying, whilst avoiding a downright dismissal for bad behaviour. In my own personal view that attitude is wrong, and he should be asked to resign immediately and if he refuses, he should be suspended pending a full inquiry.

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Message 1286752 - Posted: 22 Sep 2012, 18:41:00 UTC - in response to Message 1286731.

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Message 1287012 - Posted: 23 Sep 2012, 10:51:42 UTC

Hmmn, now admits to swearing, but not the words stated. Is this muppet that arrogant?

Mitchell did swear, say sources

"He is a former soldier who served as a UN peacekeeper in Cyprus in the 1970s". In that case, he should've known better
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Message 1287018 - Posted: 23 Sep 2012, 11:32:14 UTC

Just checked my Lotto tickets for the double rollover draw last night. got 5 numbers paying £1,701 & after the cheque clears my account, i'm going to put £1k on a bet that won't pay out until after the next cabinet reshuffle.

Justine Greening to get shifted again & the odds quoted was 7/2!

Overseas lottery Can I buy some tickets!
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Message 1287462 - Posted: 24 Sep 2012, 18:27:51 UTC

Just how stupid do these muppets think we are?

"Pleb" Minister receives No 10 backing

Everyone seems to be homing in on the word "Pleb"....

.....What I want to know & so far, no denials have been issued is...did he actually make these comments?

"Mr Mitchell is reported to have sworn at an officer during the incident on Wednesday evening - when police directed him away from the main gate to a smaller pedestrian gate - and said "learn your place" and "you don't run this government".

And this.....

"Asked about the differences, the spokesman said the PM "obviously accepts the statement" from Mr Mitchell".

So if Del-boy was told that the moon is indeed made of cheese, will he "obviously accept the statement?
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Message 1287637 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 8:49:08 UTC

It is quite clear that Downing Street believes he does a good job and despite this incident, don't want to lose him, but if he was found to have been lying they would have no choice but to let him go. I think the Whitehall machine has gone into overdrive here on a damage limitation exercise.

Whether of not the word pleb was used seems to me to be a smoke screen to deflect attention from other matters. The latest position seems to be that he now admits that he made most of the statements attributed to him, but he now says that was in reaction and frustration at the situation, and not personally directed at the officers on duty. He has apologised twice publicly, and also to the Sergeant of the gate and the police constable concerned, who have both accepted the apologies, and don't want to take the matter further. The Cabinet Secretary has ruled out an inquiry, and they hopefully think that will be enough to draw a line under it and move on. Quite frankly that simply won't do.

Is it likely that Mitchell would have addressed remarks like "you don't run this government" to an iron gate or to fresh air? How likely is it that the constable concerned has been spoken to by senior police officers and "advised" that it would not be "helpful" to take it further. How likely is it that Cameron requested that there be no inquiry?

It seems that they may have done just enough to scrape clear, but it all leaves a nasty taste and will remain a cloud over his future for a long time, and could impact upon his standing with back bench MP's when he tries to discipline them. I have always felt that the Whips Office wields far too much power and I would have liked to have seen them taken down a peg or two. I'm sure I'm not the only one. It all depends now on how hard the press and media want to witch hunt this matter, and we can be quite sure that all editors are being privately lobbied to drop it.



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Message 1287664 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 10:28:47 UTC - in response to Message 1287637.

Excellent reply, my views exactly.
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Message 1287698 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 13:04:58 UTC

Unfortunately, if the police log is correct, Del-boy has put himself into a position that could cost him the premiership & if not, then the next election.

Police log in full

Del-boy accused of cover up

Question mark of integrity in public life

This says it all for me......

"But what David Cameron should be really cross about is that he is being asked to draw a line under someone's dishonesty, which I suspect isn't the kind of politics he's keen on".
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Message 1287711 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 13:33:38 UTC - in response to Message 1287698.

I do find this incident a little amusing. Not that shouldn't have happened, but in all honesty calling the constable a Pleb, in classical terms was probably a promotion. As the Police can be identified by number should they be regarded as Capite censi - were literally, in Latin, "those counted by head".

Roman society classes were

Patrician - the elite familes of Rome, but later included high council officials,
Plebeians - middle class, could be very rich,
Capite censi - lower class,
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Message 1287732 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 14:00:46 UTC

It is a a bit more serious than that as we would all agree. But as an aside, in those far off days they didn't have yuppies etc. Whats makes me laugh is that nowadays I am apparently a Group 2 or Middle Middle class!!!

Gawd help us ....

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Message 1287735 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 14:38:54 UTC - in response to Message 1287732.

It is a a bit more serious than that as we would all agree. But as an aside, in those far off days they didn't have yuppies etc. Whats makes me laugh is that nowadays I am apparently a Group 2 or Middle Middle class!!!

Gawd help us ....

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Think I probably belong in the same group, but a few people try to put me in the upper middle class. Because I don't have a accent and am U, probably because most of my schooling was in Africa and the parents of the other Brit kids were mainly from the FO.

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