Good reason for that, religious schooling can lead to sectarian divisions in society.

I acknowledge that some schools run by religious organisation are very good, and frequently the best schools in an area. But when the parents are religious, rarely mix with others outside their religion and send there kids to a school run by that religion the kids can end up brainwashed before they have been educated about the real world and allowed to make their own decisions.

Gary, wasn't it on Reagan's watch that we opened the asylums in order to save money?

I thought the doors swung open due to alleged abuses and some court cases giving mentally ill greater rights than normal people.

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odd, because there have been quite a few shootings at religious schools.

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I'm not too agree with you, Chris. Working in law enforcement always involves self-control and do its work against all odds. The police are the beacons of society. It can not and must not waver. Of course, all this is only theory and everyone is human. But a police officer must be above feelings and not let it affect by them. In any situation. If not, who is the guarantor of public order ? But be careful, I don't judge the American forces. Far from me the idea and I don't allow it. I speak as a whole.

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Two more multiple shootings in Alabama, one at a Hospital.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10574693

I'm not giving links here but if you look up church-goers by state and firearms deaths by state, there are some interesting similarities.

Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi appear in the top ten on both lists.

I'm not giving links here but if you look up church-goers by state and firearms deaths by state, there are some interesting similarities.

Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi appear in the top ten on both lists.

When you are ordered to be ethical because of a mythical god it is easy to discard ethics, especially when your religion encourages sin by saying a few prayers and you will be saved again.
When you self discover ethics as an atheist does, it is much harder to discard ethics as it is part of you. Atheism doesn't have exceptions.

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[quote]odd, because there have been quite a few shootings at religious schools.

And why do you think that is?

BTW, can you google and find more than one? (Oakland, CA)

August 5, 2012. Six Sikh temple members were killed when 40-year-old US Army veteran Wade Michael Page opened fire in a gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Four others were injured, and Page killed himself.

September 15, 1999. Larry Gene Ashbrook opened fire on a Christian rock concert and teen prayer rally at Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. He killed 7 people and wounded 7 others, almost all teenagers. Ashbrook committed suicide.

March 12, 2005. A Living Church of God meeting was gunned down by 44-year-old church member Terry Michael Ratzmann at a Sheraton hotel in Brookfield, WI. Ratzmann was thought to have had religious motivations, and killed himself after executing the pastor, the pastor’s 16-year-old son, and 7 others. Four were wounded.

October 2, 2006. An Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, PA was gunned down by 32-year-old Charles Carl Roberts, Roberts separated the boys from the girls, binding and shooting the girls. 5 young girls died, while 6 were injured. Roberts committed suicide afterward.

April 2, 2012. A former student, 43-year-old One L. Goh killed 7 people at Oikos University, a Korean Christian college in Oakland, CA. The shooting was the sixth-deadliest school massacre in the US and the deadliest attack on a school since the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.

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Should there be more religion in schools and clubs, and would it have prevented this dreadful massacre, Maybe not to both questions.

I actually find that quite offensive. Morals aren't necessarily associated with religion at all. Morals are to with empathy and compassion for your fellow man.

Personally, I'd be very upset if anyone tried to brainwash my kids. The closest I have come is that when my youngest was 4 the only after school care I could get was from a group at the local Christian Church. They showed him the cartoon video of Moses and totally traumatised him. I had to find another childcare quickly because was having nightmares that God was going to kill him because he was the first born.

That's the bible right there viewed though innocent eyes.

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Something people might want to read and consider in light of the latest at Sandy Hook school in Newtown.

http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.co.uk/

Something people might want to read and consider in light of the latest at Sandy Hook school in Newtown.

http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks, that's very thought provoking. If the mental health service is that bad in the US, then there is a huge argument for tackling the problem this way.

My own opinion is that a terrible problem like the US has needs to be dealt with pragmatically and from all directions. Better mental health provision, and better gun control so the mentally ill can't do so much damage when they do have dangerous episodes.

My best friends mother in law was stabbed to death by a schizophrenic she had befriended and was trying to help. While the mental health services in the UK are better than in the US things like this will happen if a mentally ill person comes off their medication. The murderer was in the system, he was getting help, however it was at the height of the "care in the Community" program and he probably should have been in an institution. That said, he killed one person with a knife and seriously wounded another.

Imagine if he'd been able to get hold of a gun? My friends mother in law was baby sitting my son the night before she was killed. Perhaps he would be dead too now, and my friend, and her daughter...

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Something people might want to read and consider in light of the latest at Sandy Hook school in Newtown.

http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks, that's very thought provoking. If the mental health service is that bad in the US, then there is a huge argument for tackling the problem this way.

What mental health service? The US does not have ANY! I've said it before and been ignored. That is the root cause of the problem. Solve it and 90% or more of the terrible mass killings go away. The hard part will be keeping a damn fool bleeding heart do gooder from attacking and dismantling the system, as happened in the past, by deciding these defectives can be integrated into society with full rights and privileges. Violent mental illness is life in a rubber room or forced treatment for life. There are no other options.

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Something people might want to read and consider in light of the latest at Sandy Hook school in Newtown.

http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks, that's very thought provoking. If the mental health service is that bad in the US, then there is a huge argument for tackling the problem this way.

What mental health service? The US does not have ANY! I've said it before and been ignored. That is the root cause of the problem. Solve it and 90% or more of the terrible mass killings go away. The hard part will be keeping a damn fool bleeding heart do gooder from attacking and dismantling the system, as happened in the past, by deciding these defectives can be integrated into society with full rights and privileges. Violent mental illness is life in a rubber room or forced treatment for life. There are no other options.

So why doesn't it have a mental health service? Are you telling me that capitialism doesn't provide everything? That some things need to be provided by the government?

Perhaps its time the US got off its fear of socialism kick and starting to wake up to the costs of letting ideologues set the agenda.

I'm totally with you on the mental health care, but again, you simply cannot ignore how extreme the US gun culture is and how it absolutely is to blame for what has happened.

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So why doesn't it have a mental health service?

Funny thing is it used to. Then bleeding heart do gooders came along. They decided that the mental health system was abuse. So they went to court and fought and won rights for the mentally ill. Now the mentally ill person has the right to refuse all treatment. As soon as they could refuse treatment they did and everyone was out of a job. End of mental health system.

I think there is only one exception, and that is if they want to put you on trial. In that case they can forcefully medicate you to make you sane enough to understand the charges so they can try and convict you.

http://psychrights.org/states/Maine/InvoluntaryCommitmentbyAliciaCurtis.htm

For mental health professionals, the law can seem exceptionally frustrating when we are working with patients who are tormented and debilitated by their illness and unable or unwilling to receive treatment in the community. A patient who hears voices constantly, who exists in a state of fear about people she believes are trying to kill her, who does not take any medicines because she believes they are poisoned, and who is too distracted by her illness to cook meals or take showers, could probably not be committed to a hospital involuntarily. For those of us who entered a helping profession in order to help people who are suffering, this fact often feels like a tremendous failure of the system. Dr. Paul Chodoff, who has written several articles on the topic, points out that the focus of the involuntary commitment law on "imminent harm" as the main criterion for commitment, leads psychiatrists to feel frustrated that their work is aimed more at serving the police state in keeping dangerous people off the streets than in carrying out the aims of psychiatry. He argues that the involuntary commitment law should be broadened to allow commitment of those with a mental illness who need hospitalization due to the severe state of their illness, whether they are dangerous or not.

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All problems of correct morals not taken in, in concern of Church shootings or any other that has taken innocent lives. Not because because morals were taught, but, incorrectly understood. Could be they were not hammered home correctly? Who knows? But in each case morals were not taken in correctly.

There is a difference between morals and ethics. They are for sure NOT the same thing. Morals are a reflection of God's Commands, they are spiritualistic and based in Natures God. Ethics are a man made law coming from materialism, materialistic, based in nature alone. No where do they meet in the middle, other then a man made attempt without God, at order. They fail because they cannot force order from the chaos of man who can only reflect chaos without the order of God. This is due to freewill.

Really?
ethics: 1)Motivation based on ideas of right and wrong

morals: 1)Motivation based on ideas of right and wrong

Sure looks like it is EXACTLY the same thing in this dictionary.

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