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Message 1252184 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 17:56:16 UTC

This continues from "An argument for the existence of God: First formulation…"


The first formulation was getting very full, so here's a second pass...

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If someone asks a direct question a direct answer is preferred to one that says nothing but derides the question - this is a request, not a rule, but....



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Message 1252275 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 21:09:57 UTC

Thanks Rob, a new continuation thread makes sense.

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Message 1252280 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 21:20:41 UTC - in response to Message 1252275.

I disagree.
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Message 1252290 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 21:40:43 UTC

Why?

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Message 1252296 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 21:54:25 UTC

This Thread just gives Me a headache.
Can't people just believe as they choose on This Subject Without Bickering?!.
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Message 1252306 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 22:07:46 UTC
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I do not have to explain WHY I believe.
Just know that I do.

If that ties your undies in a knot, so be it.
Get some ointment.

Belief is something that sometimes cannot, or should not, be dissected into little bits.

It is the whole of it, which I know confounds some of you.

It's just the way it is.

I do believe in a higher power. Call him, she, or it.....God, or whatever you want to.

Or do not wish to.....your choice.
I have stated this stand before. More than a few times.
I am not gonna argue the point with anybody.

Simply stated,
I believe. The same as I believe that entity made other life forms in this universe, which I have spent a lot of money and time looking for on behalf of the project in whose forums some of you are now expressing disbelief.

And no, Jim, I don't think this subject can be discussed without bickering.
Some are true trolls, and some are expressing their true disbelief, to which they are entitled.
I shall not try to enumerate which are which.

It becomes apparent after a few posts.

I have made my statement, which you all know by now to be true.
Like it or not, I have laid it out.

Done with the 'argument'.
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Message 1252308 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 22:10:49 UTC

It would be nice Jim. I saw this new thread as an opportunity to stop all that, with a fresh start, and enter into some sensible discussion. If it turns out not to be, then the participants know that it will likely be closed. It's their choice.

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Message 1252383 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 0:08:02 UTC - in response to Message 1252306.

Mark -- actually -- you've laid it out quite well.

It is a *belief* in the existence of God (or whatever you wish to call a deity). It is not something that can be proved -- or disproved for that matter.

When some folks who *believe* they have disproved the existence of a deity run up against some folks who *believe* they have proved the existence of a deity, what you observe is lots of bytes tossed back and forth to no purpose.

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Message 1252388 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 0:12:24 UTC

For anyone here that is not aware of my postings to these forums in the last year and a half, here is a refresher;

1. I found God. Quite literally, i actually FOUND him!
2. God left a "Book" behind as he was leaving several thousand years ago. I was carrying out some research down in the middle east when i discovered the book. Its was hand written by God himself.
3. I am currently decoding and translating the book (very time consuming). I have been working on this full time for the last year and a half.
4. The book is a written account of what happened before the biblical "book of Genesis", and during the Genesis event itself.
5. As a side note, at the same time i discovered this book God left behind, i also solved some of the greatest problems in physics. In particular problems relating to Gravity.

Any questions?

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Message 1252396 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 0:18:22 UTC - in response to Message 1252383.

Mark -- actually -- you've laid it out quite well.

It is a *belief* in the existence of God (or whatever you wish to call a deity). It is not something that can be proved -- or disproved for that matter.

When some folks who *believe* they have disproved the existence of a deity run up against some folks who *believe* they have proved the existence of a deity, what you observe is lots of bytes tossed back and forth to no purpose.

I, of course, have no proof.
The bible laid up to my head is no proof.
Nothing I have seen to date is any 'proof'.
My faith, given to me by my parents, my teachings, my church, is good enough for me.

Why I need proof of little green men wandering the stars is quite another thingy.
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Message 1252403 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 0:38:43 UTC
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Apparently this thread was started by a current moderator.

No need to say anything else. Just idiots around.

I guess some numbers went to the thrash. What about the rest?

Like Mark, I am supposed to be an idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtuR-tMQ1oU

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Message 1252413 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 0:55:42 UTC - in response to Message 1252403.

Apparently this thread was started by a current moderator.

No need to say anything else. Just idiots around.

I guess some numbers went to the thrash. What about the rest?

Like Mark, I am supposed to be an idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtuR-tMQ1oU

Short ending.

I do not ever suppose to be an idiot.
I am not. What kind of a statement was THAT??????



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Message 1252439 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 2:02:48 UTC - in response to Message 1252383.

Mark -- actually -- you've laid it out quite well.

It is a *belief* in the existence of God (or whatever you wish to call a deity). It is not something that can be proved -- or disproved for that matter.

When some folks who *believe* they have disproved the existence of a deity run up against some folks who *believe* they have proved the existence of a deity, what you observe is lots of bytes tossed back and forth to no purpose.

That pretty much says it all. Subject closed. NEXT

:-) (just kidding)
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Message 1252441 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 2:05:18 UTC - in response to Message 1252396.
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Mark -- actually -- you've laid it out quite well.

It is a *belief* in the existence of God (or whatever you wish to call a deity). It is not something that can be proved -- or disproved for that matter.

When some folks who *believe* they have disproved the existence of a deity run up against some folks who *believe* they have proved the existence of a deity, what you observe is lots of bytes tossed back and forth to no purpose.

I, of course, have no proof.
The bible laid up to my head is no proof.
Nothing I have seen to date is any 'proof'.
My faith, given to me by my parents, my teachings, my church, is good enough for me.

Why I need proof of little green men wandering the stars is quite another thingy.


A very respectable statement as well. Nice one kittyman, and you know I would never tell you or others otherwise. Arguing beliefs is one thing, telling you and others not to believe, is not something I would never do, I respect faith.
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Message 1252443 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 2:07:05 UTC - in response to Message 1252411.

K, back to debate:

This is how I would like to start, more words to follow...



Those dark ages appear to be much longer than seven days... Input, thoughts?
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Message 1252452 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 2:26:22 UTC
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How long is a day for God?


The Bible was written of men, for men. Would they not have used the same units for "days" that men understood?

If the term "days" is up for interpretation, how much more of the Bible is up for interpretation?...

Who decides what's solid truth in the Bible, and what's up for interpretation?
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Message 1252459 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 2:56:45 UTC
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God's days are forever, my friend.......
We only try to measure them in our little minds of time.

Infinity is the one thing my mind has always had a problem with......
As in....always was, always has been.

I cannot fix this for you or myself...........
I just do not know.

He does. And shall explain when I get there.........

I am sure some of you laugh at me for my pure belief.
It makes me smile sometimes.
And cry at others.
Mostly smile.......and sigh for what is to come.

Only a few of us believers can see or imagine what is to come..........................................................

And yes, John knew.......
He knew.
Imagine....he DID.
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