On a much lighter note, the babe photo in Dullnando's signature proves that if there is a God, he's One of the Guys :-)

No. No. No.

Being a New Poster Here, you can Be Forgiven My Son.

Around Here, They Don't Believe in GOD, and They Never, Never, Never mention DullNanDO, except with Derision.

Get with The Program Matey. You are Doing Good Otherwise.

ControlAltDeleteDullNanDO

p.s. Notice The Hot Babe has a book. Who reads books anymore?

Dull, ya think the lack of belief in god may be due to the fact that most people here are interested in science?

Nah, we're just a bunch of dirty liberals (of course, quite a few of us are not), and despite claiming a lack of belief in God himself, Dull would rather show us Brainiacs how we don't know everything.

Something tells me that Dull just likes to root for the underdog, and he sees ID and sometimes Guy as the underdogs on this forum. I have a hypothesis that if the situation were reversed, and we were on a forum filled with Religious Conservatives who were So Smug in their Certainty, Dull would be right there to create a wound and pour lemon juice in it.

Stev.

If you go up to the start of this thread and read Sirius B's post 1241448 at the top, you really get the impression that the Bible is synonymous with belief.

Why do we still have the the chapter relating to the "Revelation of John" included in the Bible? Is this chapter synonymous with belief, or is it synonymous with the totally opposite, or maybe it is rather dealing with something completely different?

BTW: 04:15 AM here now. I am off.

There is a way to look at this randomness we are in. If there was a design, some other design will always be an infinitesimal "better." If the design is random, given enough time all designs will be tried, thus assuring that the perfect design will happen. Not only that but is several designs are perfect with randomness and time all of them will happen. What could be more pure genius? But there is a catch 22. Some of those designs will exclude the possibility of God. If God doesn't exist for some, can he exist for any? You may have to redefine God.

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There is a way to look at this randomness we are in. If there was a design, some other design will always be an infinitesimal "better." If the design is random, given enough time all designs will be tried, thus assuring that the perfect design will happen. Not only that but is several designs are perfect with randomness and time all of them will happen. What could be more pure genius? But there is a catch 22. Some of those designs will exclude the possibility of God. If God doesn't exist for some, can he exist for any? You may have to redefine God.

Gary, that is a very interesting paradox you posit. If it is someone else's thought I still thank you.

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Gary, that is a very interesting paradox you posit. If it is someone else's thought I still thank you.

I don't remember reading it anywhere, but the mind is the second thing to go.

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Dull, ya think the lack of belief in god may be due to the fact that most people here are interested in science?

Most of The Posters Here do not Believe GOD Exists.

It is Amusing a Great Majority spend An InOrdinate Amount of Time providing Evidence Against GOD to So Few Believers.

Are People So Bored? Or can they Believe GOD does Not Exist, only if it is repeated Ad Nauseam to Like Minded, as some Brain Washing Mantra?

would rather show us Brainiacs how we don't know everything

Or, Do Braniacs constantly need Reinforcements? The Proof GOD does Not Exist is In The Bag. Proof Positive. The Method has Proved It.

Who is The Science Choir singing To Here. Themselves. ROTFLMAO.

Certainly such Proof can take The Whithering Rebuttals of someone like ID?

No? With Thousands of Posts against The Believers, it seems Not.

So, I Do Not Believe, You Scientists/Brainiacs/Profs/Educated Ones, Believe Your Proof.

Or, you have lots of time to kill after work, before bedtime, after you get up, during work breaks, lunch breaks, etc.

When I was a working lad digging ditches, man 'o live, a Break To Post, would of been a Luxurious Waste.

WastingMyTimeNowDullNanDO

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

I do wounder, to get any sense out of the bible one would need to also
study the Koran. Those who wrote the Koran most probably had more insight
into what was fact to what was fiction regarding the bible.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

I do wounder, to get any sense out of the bible one would need to also
study the Koran. Those who wrote the Koran most probably had more insight
into what was fact to what was fiction regarding the bible.

It does make for interesting reading. In fact, several of my customers actually admitted that I was more Islamic than they were - I found this surprising but also a nice compliment.

The problem with the Koran is that many different "sects" (not sure of the correct word here, so used sect), interpretate it as they see it. For example, & similar to ID's argument with regards to the word "Eros", there is no where in the Koran that explicitely states that the wearing of the full Burqa is a religious requirement.

Most kuffars(non-believers) & well as many within the islamic faith feel the same way.

This just shows me that my arguments on the "religion" aspects is valid - it's all down to how an individual interpretates "his/her" good book, with many using it for their own ends, which 9/10 is "for seeking absolute power".

:damn, I've either got to get my eyes sorted, or go back to school for spelling lessons :)

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So what we can deduce from all this is that God wrote the ten commandments
but had no input into the writing of the bible.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

So what we can deduce from all this is that God wrote the ten commandments
but had no input into the writing of the bible.

Asides from what Moses stated, how do we really know that "god" wrote them?

: Based on the scenes in the film "the Ten Commandments", how do we know that they weren't laser inscribed & all "THAT" entails?

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What happened to the stone that had the commandments written down upon it?

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

What happened to the stone that had the commandments written down upon it?

They ended up like we will eventually "ashes to ashes & dust to dust".

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What happened to the stone that had the commandments written down upon it?

They ended up like we will eventually "ashes to ashes & dust to dust".

It beggars belief that someone could have gone and lost or destroyed it then.
What with no fuss ever being made about this fact then can only lead one into
speculating that may be our religious leaders never believed it actually ever
existed in the first place.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

What happened to the stone that had the commandments written down upon it?

They ended up like we will eventually "ashes to ashes & dust to dust".

It beggars belief that someone could have gone and lost or destroyed it then.
What with no fuss ever being made about this fact then can only lead one into
speculating that may be our religious leaders never believed it actually ever
existed in the first place.

Well, since man has been on the planet for tens or hundreds of thousands or more of years, then why wait until relatively recent history to tell people what they can do and can't do. One would think rules like those would have been handed out with the first people......

Steve

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What happened to the stone that had the commandments written down upon it?

They ended up like we will eventually "ashes to ashes & dust to dust".

It beggars belief that someone could have gone and lost or destroyed it then.
What with no fuss ever being made about this fact then can only lead one into
speculating that may be our religious leaders never believed it actually ever
existed in the first place.

What I would like to know.. where are the 2 gold tablets? Or were they melted down & reused?

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Also this point:

At times we observe what we think is nature's perfectionism, like the spiral galaxy NGC 488.

For some reason nature makes order out of chaos, but it does not last for long or for ever. There are always other factors, like collisions between galaxies, which destroys the pretty picture.

We remember those picturesque scenes from islands in the Pacific. Even though we take these scenes for granted, no one knows for sure whether a hurricane passes by the next day, or an earthquake followed by a possibly tsunami strikes the following morning.

By means of re-building, either as seen from a human perspective (buildings and other infrastructure), or nature on its own (plants and trees returning back to places where there once were no such), what is supposed to be order once more return back in place. Order and chaos are competing side by side with each other all the time. Both these mechanisms are attributed to rules as defined by means of nature. Nature gives and nature takes, all the time.

Well with a T-Rex & Velociraptor onboard, don't think Cain & Abel would have happened.... :)

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Where in the Bible is Noahs ark being mentioned?

As far as I know the Bible as a whole for some reason does not get its best marks or characters right here.

Perhaps we should know the subject of history first, then the story of the Bible.

Also, if Cain and Abel were the sons of Adam and Eve (I really do not know, I am not a history expert), who then created Adam and Eve?

Again should we trust what the Bible is telling us about these things?

Where in the Bible is Noahs ark being mentioned?

As far as I know the Bible as a whole for some reason does not get its best marks or characters right here.

Perhaps we should know the subject of history first, then the story of the Bible.

Try Genesis Chapter 6

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If Noah's ark actually contained two of every animal, plant, bacteria, fungus, it would have been hundreds of miles long. What would all those animals eat? There would have been a huge problem with waste, and we would all be inbred, susceptible to deformities and diseases.

It was actually 7 pairs of every clean animal & 2 pairs of every unclean animal.

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