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Message 1237155 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 6:20:09 UTC - in response to Message 1237058.

How about doing so without using offensive words?

Synonyms.
Have a good list of Synonyms.
That is what got me through high school without being carted off to the principals office every half hour. Plus, synonyms are far more fun.
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Message 1237192 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 6:39:36 UTC - in response to Message 1237100.

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television), we'd be racists.

We do have White Entertainment Television. It's every station in the US, besides BET and Telemundo.

If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.

We do have white pride holidays, lots of 'em. Every US national holiday is anglo-saxon.

If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.

I believe we know that as March through January.

If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists.

Those organizations do exist. And they have a right to (it makes me sick, however). Perhaps you should find one of those groups and join it.


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Message 1237202 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 6:54:25 UTC

Other than stirring people's tempers up I'm not sure what can be gained from trying to discuss racism on a public forum like this. Nobody is going to convince anyone from the other side to change their mind. To me racism is one of the worst mindsets a person can have especially if that same person claims to be a Christian. So the best that can be gained is a continued realization that racism persists and to try to make sure we don't elect any to public office.
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Message 1237206 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 7:04:20 UTC

MS - I think it is about power in the US -- for the longest time, that power was purely concentrated with white anglos.

There were some small cracks in this in the early 19th century -- getting a reaction in the No-Nothing party which sought to stem the tide of German and Irish immigrants and some small amount of political power they were getting in a few cities.

There was a major *but temporary* crack after the Civil War in the Reconstruction South -- but that was put back to 'normal' in the Hayes/Tilden election deal which did a major 'undo' command regarding the rights of blacks.

There continued to be a trend starting in the late 19th century with the majoTr influx of non-anglo immigrants. Eventually, this was pushed back to a large degree by strong anti-immigration controls plus a lot of effictive assimilation.

In another thread we touched on the reduction in anglo *male* power as women got the right to vote.

Things stayed at this level -- still pretty much anglo (or northern European) male dominated into at least the late 50's and early 60's.

So it has only been in the past 50 years that the power of the anglo male has been truly (and increasingly) challenged. That challenge has increasingly resulted in reaction from those who have so long held power as well as those who so recently have some access to power.

The coming years are likely to see white anglo males forced increasingly to work with and accept other power groups. Ideally, it will also see increasingly that the non-white anglos work with the new minority.

On TV there are pandering shows of all sorts - some educate as well. Remember All in the Family?


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Message 1237221 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 7:33:03 UTC - in response to Message 1237205.

Other than stirring people's tempers up I'm not sure what can be gained from trying to discuss racism on a public forum like this. Nobody is going to convince anyone from the other side to change their mind. To me racism is one of the worst mindsets a person can have especially if that same person claims to be a Christian. So the best that can be gained is a continued realization that racism persists and to try to make sure we don't elect any to public office.

Oh, you want 'Don't ask, Don't tell..'
I understand you well.
Don't speak of the issue and it goes away.........
I just posted for a roust. Yeah.
I do happen to profess to be a Christian.

Therefore, I speak out about things I do have a problem with.

Please don't put words in my mouth that I did not utter. That is the cousin of racism. Having a sense of superiority.
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Message 1237233 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 7:59:09 UTC

I just hope you know that for the most part you are preaching to the choir here. What I have garnered from the posts of most of the members here does not point toward racism, maybe a little bigotry here and there. People can have widely different points of view and still not be either.
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Message 1237241 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 8:22:52 UTC

You can stop playing the "poor white me" card anytime now Mark.
Everything in our society is geared toward the white male. Why would you want to squawk when allowances are made to allow women and minorities a small piece of the pie?

There is a way to discuss racism on these boards without getting banned, you simply need to speak against it.
If you want to speak in favour of racism, go to the KKK boards.
The average Member of the SETI community has no time nor tolerance for racism.
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Message 1237246 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 8:27:12 UTC

I am 62 and I too have been through a lot. Even though I am what used to be referred to as a white anglo saxon person I have suffered through a life of being looked down upon not because of my race but because I was born disabled. I went to public schools where most of the other kids either shunned me or made fun of the way I walked. I didn't get to participate in many of the activities of the other children and those things that I could do I was never given a chance to prove I could. After graduating from college with a GPA only one tenth of a point off the deans list I was unable to secure a position as a teacher because it was assumed I couldn't handle the students. Even with these factors against me I was able to work in civil engineering eventually as a civil engineering designer working on CAD systems. Along the way I have met and dealt with racists and bigots. So I too think I'm in a good position to sense the mindset of many of our fellow members at Seti@home. I just hope and pray that when ET does phone home they are better than we are.
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Message 1237247 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 8:33:54 UTC - in response to Message 1237241.

You can stop playing the "poor white me" card anytime now Mark.

That itself is a racist comment. Proof: change the "white" to any other color and that post gets deleted. As always, great job.
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Message 1237258 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 8:51:02 UTC

Now see, I never once thought of the possibility that the original poster is a racist. Maybe I'm not so good at determining other peoples intentions as I thought I was.
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Message 1237265 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 9:06:53 UTC - in response to Message 1237247.

You can stop playing the "poor white me" card anytime now Mark.

That itself is a racist comment. Proof: change the "white" to any other color and that post gets deleted. As always, great job.


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As whites are the dominant race in North America, we have no basis for feeling hard done by. Everything has been geared toward our advantage from day one.
To express resentment toward any vehicles that attempt to even out the playing field in our society and allow minorities a chance at success is nothing more than backdoor racism.
We whites have no need for advocacy groups or laws that improve our stations in life because we were born into a culture with those advantages already built in.

Yes, it's true that all whites aren't living the high life, but within the economic groups we're born into, whites have the advantage when it comes to jobs and justice.

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Message 1237393 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 16:05:18 UTC

To answer Mark's question, yes there is a way to discuss it without getting banned of having posts hidden. That way is to go away from using knee jerk terms and start discussing real issues, which mostly will be socioeconomic ones.

Taking a clue from a couple recent posts in the UK Riots thread, and the issue that in the USA 28.5% male persons of African ancestry is or will be incarcerated, this is a worthy subject for discussion.

Consider what a typical white teenager has available when he "wants to be noticed." He may put glass packs on the muscle car daddy gave him for his 16th birthday. He may get some traffic infractions, but nothing that sticks with him for life.

Consider the typical ghetto or bario teenager when he "wants to be noticed." His options are limited perhaps to a spray paint can. Those are misdemeanors. They stick for life. Now he can't get a job. No job and what is left ... a life of crime.

Is it discrimination? To answer, consider a point raised by the Gay Marriage thread when is it alright for a dominate culture to define how all persons act, even those who are not part of or agree with the dominate culture?

When the reason for the spray paint can is the same as the reason for the glass packs, should the sentence be any different? Is it because the judge is from the dominate culture and remembers his own period of rebellion growing up? What options he had?

I suspect your answer will depend on your socioeconomic status as you grew up.

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