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Message 1234377 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 3:50:09 UTC - in response to Message 1234366.
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Ummm, you two just accused me of something that isn't so.

So, I can go with this one of two way's.

1st way, go to the Party website. Look at the Party Planks.

2nd way, follow first way.

Since I don't think either one of you are worth my time, and I know this to be true because neither of you bothered to go look, neither of you are worth my time.

Please, by all means--continue to be ignorant.

ID, this is not a good thing.

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The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

The Constitution of these United States provides that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on all those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.

The U.S. Constitution established a Republic rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are Constitutionally elected by the citizens. In such a Republic all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules"
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Message 1234387 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 4:18:32 UTC - in response to Message 1234377.

Ummm, you two just accused me of something that isn't so.

So, I can go with this one of two way's.

1st way, go to the Party website. Look at the Party Planks.

2nd way, follow first way.

Since I don't think either one of you are worth my time, and I know this to be true because neither of you bothered to go look, neither of you are worth my time.

Please, by all means--continue to be ignorant.

ID, this is not a good thing.

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The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

The Constitution of these United States provides that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on all those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.

The U.S. Constitution established a Republic rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are Constitutionally elected by the citizens. In such a Republic all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules"


Yes, it is a good thing......
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Where do you think morals came from in the first place? Look what the exchange of morals for [modern day] ethics have gotten us so far. The 180 from the above. Culture of Death, and culture of debt.

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Message 1234395 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 5:18:39 UTC - in response to Message 1234387.

Ummm, you two just accused me of something that isn't so.

So, I can go with this one of two way's.

1st way, go to the Party website. Look at the Party Planks.

2nd way, follow first way.

Since I don't think either one of you are worth my time, and I know this to be true because neither of you bothered to go look, neither of you are worth my time.

Please, by all means--continue to be ignorant.

ID, this is not a good thing.

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The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

The Constitution of these United States provides that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on all those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.

The U.S. Constitution established a Republic rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are Constitutionally elected by the citizens. In such a Republic all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules"


Yes, it is a good thing......
[smile]

Where do you think morals came from in the first place? Look what the exchange of morals for [modern day] ethics have gotten us so far. The 180 from the above. Culture of Death, and culture of debt.

ID, Do you think you get to define my morals? Who appointed you God?
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Message 1234397 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 5:22:35 UTC - in response to Message 1234395.
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Ummm, you two just accused me of something that isn't so.

So, I can go with this one of two way's.

1st way, go to the Party website. Look at the Party Planks.

2nd way, follow first way.

Since I don't think either one of you are worth my time, and I know this to be true because neither of you bothered to go look, neither of you are worth my time.

Please, by all means--continue to be ignorant.

ID, this is not a good thing.

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The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

The Constitution of these United States provides that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on all those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.

The U.S. Constitution established a Republic rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are Constitutionally elected by the citizens. In such a Republic all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules"


Yes, it is a good thing......
[smile]

Where do you think morals came from in the first place? Look what the exchange of morals for [modern day] ethics have gotten us so far. The 180 from the above. Culture of Death, and culture of debt.

ID, Do you think you get to define my morals? Who appointed you God?


Do you always ignor the content of someones post and interject a false premise in place of said content?

I'll ask again, however, I'll type slowly so you can better understand what I said....


"Where do you think morals came from in the first place?" Better? It was good for me, was it good for you?

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Message 1234426 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 7:14:30 UTC

ID, you may well be correct, some of us may well have taken your extensive pronouncements on religion, politics and social issues as being indicative of the party to which you belong. If instead your views are at significant variance with your party, why would you be a member of it? If your views are in fact representative of the party platform, then you have provided a great deal of material for those willing to slog through your posts here.

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Message 1234510 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 13:46:07 UTC - in response to Message 1234366.
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Ummm, you two just accused me of something that isn't so.

So, I can go with this one of two way's.

1st way, go to the Party website. Look at the Party Planks.

2nd way, follow first way.

Since I don't think either one of you are worth my time, and I know this to be true because neither of you bothered to go look, neither of you are worth my time.

Please, by all means--continue to be ignorant.


Please respond to my questions in this post:

The Articles of Conferderation? That original?

If the current USC, does original mean without the Bill of Rights?

If with the Bill of Rights are any other amendments to be included?


Are you saying that your thoughts on the matter are fully addressed by the party website?

BTW, I do not believe I accused you of "something that isn't so", if you believe otherwise, please be explicit and/or red x the offending post. In the absence of either I will accuse you of hand waving.
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Message 1234535 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 14:45:04 UTC

I don't wear white sheets and hoods. I believe all peoples are equal.

And the rest of you can all put your hands down, stop waving the hands.....

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Message 1234540 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 14:55:08 UTC - in response to Message 1234535.

I don't wear white sheets and hoods. I believe all peoples are equal.

And the rest of you can all put your hands down, stop waving the hands.....


Nobody said you did. Please address the questions. The only poster I see waving hands in an attempt to distract attention is you.
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Message 1234545 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 14:59:57 UTC
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I started the thread---Im allowed. Stay on topic and don't accuse without proof, and that would require a question not a statement.

I answered.

Im not willing to open the contract we have, as is. Come to point.

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Message 1234553 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 15:15:05 UTC - in response to Message 1234545.
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I started the thread---Im allowed. Stay on topic and don't accuse without proof, and that would require a question not a statement.

I answered.

Im not willing to open the contract we have, as is. Come to point.


No answer to the questions in this post, the same question asked again in this post, and another question added. The questions remain unanswered and instead we've had hand waving about non-specific accusations and then about white sheets.

You said "Original Constitution", I requested clarity on what you meant by this, not what some website says. Please provide that clarity.
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Message 1234559 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 15:23:43 UTC

the original "contract we have, as is" has evolved to the government we have, as is. And it is up to the citizens, as is to help to continue that evolution.

So.. The Constitution Party of the United States, is Moot.
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Message 1234567 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 15:43:11 UTC - in response to Message 1234559.

the original "contract we have, as is" has evolved to the government we have, as is. And it is up to the citizens, as is to help to continue that evolution.

So.. The Constitution Party of the United States, is Moot.

Thank you soft. Times change, beliefs change, laws change, and the Constitution changes.

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Message 1234585 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 16:31:03 UTC - in response to Message 1234567.

the original "contract we have, as is" has evolved to the government we have, as is. And it is up to the citizens, as is to help to continue that evolution.

So.. The Constitution Party of the United States, is Moot.

Thank you soft. Times change, beliefs change, laws change, and the Constitution changes.


Yes the constitution does change, sometimes not for the best. Prohibition is one that comes to mind. Just about everyone in the nation thought it was stupid and ignored it. Organized crime gained a foothold that it never lost after it was repealed. Thats what happens when common sense goes by the wayside.
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Message 1234587 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 16:39:02 UTC - in response to Message 1234585.

the original "contract we have, as is" has evolved to the government we have, as is. And it is up to the citizens, as is to help to continue that evolution.

So.. The Constitution Party of the United States, is Moot.

Thank you soft. Times change, beliefs change, laws change, and the Constitution changes.


Yes the constitution does change, sometimes not for the best. Prohibition is one that comes to mind. Just about everyone in the nation thought it was stupid and ignored it. Organized crime gained a foothold that it never lost after it was repealed. Thats what happens when common sense goes by the wayside.

yes... and then it was repealed.

So we all move on.
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Message 1234592 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 16:51:38 UTC
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Yea, prohibition was bad. And yea it was repealed.

Nothings perfect. (Not even democrats agree with everything democrats do.. ;-))

Boinc gets updates, has new problems, they get fixed, we move on.

We could all still live off of DOS or assembly languages also, but times changed.

(I don't see anyone from the right saying "Down with windows! Computers were designed to be used only with binary!")
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Message 1234602 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 17:30:58 UTC - in response to Message 1234585.

the original "contract we have, as is" has evolved to the government we have, as is. And it is up to the citizens, as is to help to continue that evolution.

So.. The Constitution Party of the United States, is Moot.

Thank you soft. Times change, beliefs change, laws change, and the Constitution changes.


Yes the constitution does change, sometimes not for the best. Prohibition is one that comes to mind. Just about everyone in the nation thought it was stupid and ignored it. Organized crime gained a foothold that it never lost after it was repealed. Thats what happens when common sense goes by the wayside.


Agreed. And at one point SCOTUS needed to clarify to the nation that "all men are created equal" applied to people of different colored skin. Now its time to clarify that it applies to people of different sexual orientations as well, and grant them the rights and equalities provided to heterosexuals, as anything else is discrimination by the Tyranny of the Majority.

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Message 1234603 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 17:33:52 UTC - in response to Message 1234592.

(I don't see anyone from the right saying "Down with windows! Computers were designed to be used only with binary!")


[off topic pedantic] But computers were only designed to be used with binary. Even high level code such as Basic or C#/C++ are compiled into machine language so that it can be run by the processor, because a processor only knows binary. [/off topic pedantic]

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Message 1234607 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 17:49:03 UTC - in response to Message 1234603.
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(I don't see anyone from the right saying "Down with windows! Computers were designed to be used only with binary!")


[off topic pedantic] But computers were only designed to be used with binary. Even high level code such as Basic or C#/C++ are compiled into machine language so that it can be run by the processor, because a processor only knows binary. [/off topic pedantic]

I didn't say they weren't! I simply said we're not typing 1s and 0s into our machines are we?
And this is my whole point... We're not waging war against the advancements made in computing, so why are some so against changes in the constitution->government? Off topic yes, but on topic just the same.
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Message 1234608 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 17:53:34 UTC - in response to Message 1234540.

To clarify, what I posted is that it seems ID's party advocates many approaches to constitutional understanding that had favor with some groups in the early 20th century. Returning to the 'original constitution' carries with it the original 'values' extant in the original states. That carries with it a fair amount of ideological baggage that has (fortunately) been rejected. That baggage included support for slavery, property restrictions in some states regarding voting, restriction of the vote to males only, along with other provisions.

It seems that ID is stating that his political party is selectively picking what portions of 'the original constitution' it (or at least ID) supports and which ones it rejects.

That would appear to be in support of *interpretation* of the constitution -- excellent -- we agree that the constitution is a living and breathing document. ID (and Dena) appear to have their own *interpretation* of the document, others differ. This is a relativistic view of the document and not absolute.

I don't wear white sheets and hoods. I believe all peoples are equal.

And the rest of you can all put your hands down, stop waving the hands.....


Nobody said you did. Please address the questions. The only poster I see waving hands in an attempt to distract attention is you.

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Message 1234613 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 18:00:46 UTC - in response to Message 1234608.

Not only restricting voting to white Males but white males that own property. If you rent you get no vote. Nice huh?
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