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Message 1231901 - Posted: 14 May 2012, 5:43:42 UTC - in response to Message 1231894.

ID, I think you will find it more complicated than that. For folks living in the absolute and concrete, complications and shades of gray are clearly anathema.

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Message 1232027 - Posted: 14 May 2012, 15:20:53 UTC

The AIP thanks you...

A split in the American Independent Party occurred during the 2008 presidential campaign, one faction recognizing Jim King as chairman of the AIP with the other recognizing Ed Noonan as chairman. Noonan's faction claims the old AIP main website while the King organization claims the AIP's blog. King's group met in Los Angeles on June 28-29, elected King to state chair.[4] Ed Noonan's faction, which included 8 of the 17 AIP officers, held a convention in Sacramento on July 5, 2008. Issues in the split were US foreign policy and the influence of Constitution Party founder Howard Phillips on the state party.[5]

The King group elected to stay in the Constitution Party and supported its presidential candidate, Chuck Baldwin. It was not listed as the "Qualified Political Party" by the California Secretary of State and Baldwin's name was not printed in the state's ballots.[6] King's group sued for ballot access [7] and their case was dismissed without prejudice.[8]

The Noonan group voted to pull out of the Constitution Party and join a new party called America's Party, put together by perennial candidate Alan Keyes as a vehicle for his own presidential campaign.[5] Since Noonan was on record with the California Secretary of State as (outgoing) party chairman, Keyes was added to the state ballots as the AIP candidate.[9] This group elected Markham Robinson as its new chair at the convention.

The King faction website is now billed as the Constitution Party of California, stating "Vote Constitution Party--the only party fighting for a return to Constitutional government!"; but continuing with a list of "2010 California Candidates: We endorse the following candidates who are running under the "American Independent" banner in California for 2010!"[10]

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Message 1232034 - Posted: 14 May 2012, 15:30:24 UTC - in response to Message 1232001.

ID for you that probably is quite true, the world is a 0/1 place.

You have not shown this to be true *except* in your mind -- though I realize for you that is the entire universe.


Things are never as complicated as they seem.

As I have shown here time and time again....


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Message 1232059 - Posted: 14 May 2012, 16:35:41 UTC - in response to Message 1232045.

Alan Keyes is what is commonly called a kook, a nutcase, a flake, a 60's hippie would call him far out Man!!! the british would call hima loonie. There's a reason he never got any Conservative republican support. He's nuttier than a fruit cake.
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Message 1232342 - Posted: 15 May 2012, 5:34:07 UTC - in response to Message 1232291.

I suspect it is his opinion (based on some reported data, but opinion nonetheless). Similarly you have repeatedly voiced opinions which you seem to take on faith as fact and present them as such. Each time you do that you are subjected to challenge. To the extent that you sidestep the challenge and move off to some other line representing your opinion you frequently are subjected to ridicule. Serious questions deserve serious answers, when they are not provided then what might be ostensibly started as a discussion or a debate devolves into a combination of argument (see Monty Python) and mutual pontification. I must acknowledge your approach to 'discussion' provides much in the way of opportunity for others to play.




Would this be called your professional opinion? LOL!

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Message 1232521 - Posted: 15 May 2012, 15:17:04 UTC - in response to Message 1232499.
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ID -- YOU look to ask for on topic posts? That is a real stretch. My post was after all a direct reply to your comment -- consider that.

You would do well to leave my brain pan out of it, particularly given your own demonstration of thought process.

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Message 1232529 - Posted: 15 May 2012, 15:37:18 UTC - in response to Message 1232291.

Alan Keyes is what is commonly called a kook, a nutcase, a flake, a 60's hippie would call him far out Man!!! the british would call hima loonie. There's a reason he never got any Conservative republican support. He's nuttier than a fruit cake.



Would this be called your professional opinion? LOL!

Quite honestly most animals know when another isn't doing well or isn't quite right. Humans are no different. You can see it in his eyes. He's not all there
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Message 1232652 - Posted: 15 May 2012, 23:31:17 UTC - in response to Message 1232559.


BTW, the topic is the Constitution Party of the United States of America. Mr. Keyes belongs to the AIP. Your off topic.


OK, here's on that's on topic. The constitution Party of the USA - is that for the current, constantly amended constitution, the Original Constitution or a new one from them?
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Message 1232916 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 18:47:07 UTC - in response to Message 1232559.

Alan Keyes is what is commonly called a kook, a nutcase, a flake, a 60's hippie would call him far out Man!!! the british would call hima loonie. There's a reason he never got any Conservative republican support. He's nuttier than a fruit cake.



Would this be called your professional opinion? LOL!

Quite honestly most animals know when another isn't doing well or isn't quite right. Humans are no different. You can see it in his eyes. He's not all there


Once again, would this be called your professional opinion?

BTW, the topic is the Constitution Party of the United States of America. Mr. Keyes belongs to the AIP. Your off topic.

Well heres a snippet for you. If the individual doesn't specify where or how a thread is to be then its open game. As for Mr. Keyes you keep asking about a professional opinion which means you want me to discuss this point and then give me a nasty "thats off topic" .
I'm sorry if you hold Mr. Keyes in high regard. Having dealt with enough mentally unstable people I can quickly tell something is wrong with him. In the school of life we call it red flags or bells going off. Neither denotes a good thing.
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Message 1233130 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 23:33:04 UTC - in response to Message 1233120.


BTW, the topic is the Constitution Party of the United States of America. Mr. Keyes belongs to the AIP. Your off topic.


OK, here's on that's on topic. The constitution Party of the USA - is that for the current, constantly amended constitution, the Original Constitution or a new one from them?


Original Constitution.


The Articles of Conferderation? That original?

If the current USC, does original mean without the Bill of Rights?

If with the Bill of Rights are any other amendments to be included?

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Message 1233569 - Posted: 19 May 2012, 19:28:29 UTC - in response to Message 1233130.

Bobby, I think perhaps the folks declaring the Constitution Party as 'pure' just might be thinking of the days when Anglo males had all the power in this country. For them that would be a return to the 'way things ought to be'.

I'd note there was a group back in the early 20th century which advocated much of these views and held quite a bit of influence in the south and some states of the midwest. That group was somewhat more honest about their agenda though.

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Message 1233581 - Posted: 19 May 2012, 19:46:16 UTC - in response to Message 1233569.

Bobby, I think perhaps the folks declaring the Constitution Party as 'pure' just might be thinking of the days when Anglo males had all the power in this country. For them that would be a return to the 'way things ought to be'.

I'd note there was a group back in the early 20th century which advocated much of these views and held quite a bit of influence in the south and some states of the midwest. That group was somewhat more honest about their agenda though.


I learnt a little U.S. history before becoming a citizen, indeed I took a "minor" in American Studies at college, and I think I know which group you are referring to. If the Constitution Party has that group in its heritage then I suspect the amendments stop with the Bill of Rights, though it would be helpful to hear what ID's thoughts are.
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