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Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
Prove someone is designed gay. Ok so then, you should have no problem choosing to get into the sack with a man then, right? Cause apparently it's a choice, so what would the problem be? I assume a gay person pretending to be straight would enjoy life just about the same as you would being with a man instead of a woman, not very much. #resist |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
ID -- see the problem is that if one posits ID but then defines ID to fulfill one's own belief and opinion then someone else might well define ID to fulfill their own belief and opinion. You of course seem to take the position for ID but also your own brand of ID. Sadly for all of us, that simply isn't the way it works. Prove someone is designed gay. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Bottom line is that people make the life choice. They cannot claim they are being discriminated against. I don't care what someone does within their home. A Marriage is a public ceremony is an event of ritual significance, an enactment of law. We restrict human behaviors everyday of the week all day long. And it is done by consinsous. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30673 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Bottom line is that people make the life choice. They cannot claim they are being discriminated against. Ah, can't be discriminated against, like when a person makes the life choice to wear a black hoodie and walk through a white neighborhood. I think I am seeing how you define discrimination. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Bottom line is that people make the life choice. They cannot claim they are being discriminated against. Did the supporters of anti-miscegeny laws make the same life style choice argument? It would apppear the same rationalization could be used. As has been noted already there is more to marriage than the ceremony What was the traditional purpose of marriage and how do same-sex marriages subvert this purpose? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
As I have plainly posted here this is not a question of color or single person sex orgens. This is a question of same sex marriage. First marriage is of God. Regardless is you believe in the Book of not 6,000 years ago [or so] marriage got it's start. It was a man and a woman. In this Book black people married white people. And brown people married yellow people. Green people married purple people. This is not an issue unless people take the Book out of context. The law has nothing on the books about same sex marriage in the federal laws called the Constitution. Therefore they cannot claim they are being discriminated against. 38 states say it is not allowed. An admendment can be called for and a law can be made to disallow it. In my own home state of Illinois marriage is not allowed but unions are. If there was a full vote of the people not even that would be allowed. Marriage is for the sake of the children involved. Im sure your chompin at the bit to tell me all about childless couples who have made the choice not to have children. That is their choice and I'll not force anyone to have children nor will anyone else. But the hoi polloi by vote after vote do not want gay marriage. Bottom line... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30673 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Bobby, I think I see the thought process as clear as St. Peter does. You must judge others so that you can do God's work. God's work is vengeance. He must cast the first stone, because Jesus died for him and therefore he is without sin. My hypothesis could be wrong, but it appears to fit all observed data. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
I have to agree with ID on one thing. The majority of the people do not want gay marriage. And the majority of people should not gay marry. This does not give to them the right to dictate how others must live. I do not see how their religious views on it should effect those who have no religious nor moral issues with it. Those who believe the predominant science that indicates sexual preference is nature and not choice should not be over-ruled by those who believe in some books that were highly edited and bound together in a multitude of fashions over thousands of years. Indeed, there is biblical information indicating that Jesus had a physical relationship with Peter. There is not actual proof of not, since no DNA tests were done. We are not a country based on one religion. Nor should we be. Janice |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Bobby, You are wrong. Im Catholic. And you would be woefully ignorant between Catholic and Protestant views. You have a problem with the processing of observed data. Im grateful for the opportunity to correct you. Thank you. +1 |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
ID -- marriage was for property rights (including woman as property). The 'hoi palloi' voted for prohibition, then they unvoted it. Times change. This can be unsettling for one so stoked in an absolute, concrete and fixed view of the world. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
I have to agree with ID on one thing. The majority of the people do not want gay marriage. And the majority of people should not gay marry. This does not give to them the right to dictate how others must live. ??????...biblical information of...physical relationship...?????? Do tell and quote the book fully and to the direct point of the matter at hand. Sources... Theologians..... In the Greek language there are 4 names for our one word love. I warn you now so we can close this subject just as soon as possible---the word Eros is NOT EVER ONCE USED in the Bible. Prove you point Ma'am. Or recant your statement. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
There are to my knowledge 3, not 4 words in the greek language for love. And the ancient Greek texts that refer to "Peter, whom Jesus loved" Do indeed use the word "Eros". Thank you for at least understanding why the greek language in such text is important. "Love" in english is a vague term. In greek it is not. Janice |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Im sorry but you are mistaken, there are 4. C.S. Lewis, 4 kinds of love, perhaps? You also are mistaken about the word eros it is not used. Your saying it does not make a thing called, proof. Would you like a link to the Bible in Greek and then translated to English? You would not be, apparently, a Theologian, nor very well informed of the Book. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Im sorry but you are mistaken, there are 4. perhaps 4 in modern greek, but 3 in ancient greek. Your perported expertise would make you more likely to have access to the original texts. I do not claim to be a scholar, but I have known many. I have heard them try to explain it away, misdirect from it, but not deny it. Janice |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Eros is ancient greek. It is not found in the text. Bottom line. Please cite your Sources... Theologians..... Or retract...... |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
eros is modern and ancient greek. agápe, éros, philÃa, are the 3 types found in biblical sources. I have nothing to retract. Janice |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Ma'am, You simply making the statement that it is in the Bible is not proof. Would you like that link to the Bible in Greek? You cannot produce a Greek Bible text, of any age, modern or ancient with the word eros in it. Thank you for your question. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
eros is modern and ancient greek. Sorry Soft, there is indeed 4... Agape, Eros, Phileo & Storge. Eros does not appear in the bible. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Not in modern translations no. That portion certainly was not "cannonized". Janice |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Not in modern translations no. That portion certainly was not "cannonized". Good point. Maybe that is why the Catholic church, for centuries, said the Mass in Latin so us "peasants" couldn't understand what was being said & that they were the "only" teachers, until books became more prolific, then they translated to suit them & not us. |
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