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Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
This thread is NOT for me! It is started in reply to a member's thoughts that Intelligent Design be taught in public schools' science classes. The question was asked: [paraphrase] "Do you know what Allegory is?" from wiki: ...Allegory is generally treated as a figure of rhetoric; a rhetorical allegory is a demonstrative form of representation conveying meaning other than the words that are spoken... It sounds to me that creationism in public school is allegory... #resist |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
If one were to point out that the 7 days of creation actually fit into the correct order of how we know things were created on earth, then we'd have a debate on the basics of evolution being taught in the bible. Remember that JPII declared that evolution and creation are not at opposition. but enhances the knowledge of both. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
If one were to point out that the 7 days of creation actually fit into the correct order of how we know things were created on earth, then we'd have a debate on the basics of evolution being taught in the bible. Remember that JPII declared that evolution and creation are not at opposition. but enhances the knowledge of both. I didn't notice many scientists supporting JPII's claim. If you ask me, he was smart enough to realize the writing was on the wall, and this was an attempt to save face. Oh, and the order in Genesis does not fit in with the "correct" order: 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth Science says the order of day 1 ought to be in fairly quick succession light then dark, a little while later water, a long time later Earth Age of Earth, about 4.54 billion years, time since the bright light of the Big Bang, about 13.75 billion years. Age of oldest oxygen atoms about 13 billion years old (formed in the first helium burning stars). First water molecules formed about 11 billion years ago, after the first star to go nova. In Genesis Day 2 is sky, Day 3 plants, Day 4 stars, Day 5 animals, and 6 is mankind. The order from science is stars (part of the early Day 1), sky (sometime after Earth), single celled organisms, sometime later plants and animals, and then mankind. So Day 6 is in the right place, and I guess 1 out of 6 is not bad (ok 1 and a half, for the animals). I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
1:3 God said, "Let there be light." And there was light! Just think, if this part were to be true and that light in the universe was created a little later after the universe was forming then there was no law of E=M(C)sqd. Hence the universe was able to expand without the constraints of (C) holding it's rate of expansion back then until the time when light was created, then all changed. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
There are actually two creation mythologies in Genesis -- most folks are only familiar with the first one. "There are significant parallels between the two stories, but also significant differences: in the first account mankind (male and female) are created after animals, while in the second the man is created first, then animals, and finally the woman "as the climax of creation." Together this combination of parallel character and contrasting profile point to the different origin of materials in Genesis 1:1–1:2–3 and 2:4b–3:23, however elegantly they have now been combined." Of course, not being an ID guy, the differences between one 'absolute' version and the other 'absolute' version don't trouble me one bit. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
It's late. When it's late I make spelling booboo's and then get blamed for being someone Im not. |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
fairly stupid god if he has to create light before "allknowing god" can tell that light is good. "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." Calvin to the Hobbes |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
Genesis has to be taken with a very large pinch of salt! you can´t, salt is lethal in such doses. "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." Calvin to the Hobbes |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
Genesis has to be taken with a very large pinch of salt! +1 #resist |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
ID sort of sounds like science fiction. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
ID sort of sounds like science fiction. Depends on the science fiction, some of it attempts to adhere to current scientific theories. ID doesn't even try. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
ID sort of sounds like science fiction. Many book stores put the fantasy in with the science fiction. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Indeed, but where do they place Intelligent Design? ID sort of sounds like science fiction. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Indeed, but where do they place Intelligent Design? I do not think they have an oxymoron section.... Janice |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Indeed, but where do they place Intelligent Design? Though they likely have a round filing cabinet. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Evolution results in an "intelligent" design most of the time. If it doesn't the species quickly dies out. reading some of this stuff makes me worry about homo sapiens. It's the saps thing that scares me the most. another good mini-rant by Daddio |
Tom95134 Send message Joined: 27 Nov 01 Posts: 216 Credit: 3,790,200 RAC: 0 |
If one were to point out that the 7 days of creation actually fit into the correct order of how we know things were created on earth, then we'd have a debate on the basics of evolution being taught in the bible. Remember that JPII declared that evolution and creation are not at opposition, but enhances the knowledge of both. Yes, but JPII was a lot more sensible than the current crop of creationists who want all or nothing. Indeed, but where do they place Intelligent Design? Right next to the other mythological writings (as they should be). |
Matt Giwer Send message Joined: 21 May 00 Posts: 841 Credit: 990,879 RAC: 0 |
The problem with intelligent design has two parts. If we give the creationists their designer then it is trivial to demonstrate the designer is either incompetent or malevolent and anyone wearing glasses knows it for a fact. Unvarnished Haaretz Jerusalem Post The origin of the Yahweh Cult |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Uhh....... I've seen things....... I have. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
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